Play Nice Random Chat Thread VII

[Hojuman]

The day is already dead. When it’s down to some multinational stocking cheap wares…it’s done.

Let’s grow up and figure out something better.


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Growing up = cutting ties & becoming a Republic.

 

[Themanbun]

I just can't vibe with it. If we want to at least make some attempt to break down the division in our society we simply can't have a bunch of people cheering, shouting and waving a flag that represents the day that the abject dispossession and cultural destruction of our great land's first people began. I'm with Val that we need a date we can all get behind, or at the very least one which doesn't celebrate what is a day of mourning for some. There is plenty to celebrate about our country but I want us all to be able to do so.

 

[Val Keating]

I’m not hung up on the notion that Australia Day has to be the 26th of January. With the exception of Christmas Day, Easter and several other dates in the year…..Australia Day could be any day of the year.

The problem however with changing the date is that there’s no guarantee the days leading up and day of the new date being hijacked. IE Historical monuments being destroyed, protests against having an Australia Day (yes there are some nut jobs that express that view), retrospective indigenous guilt propaganda, neo nazi types protesting.

What do you do?

Did you see how many people protested in Melbourne yesterday? It’s was crazy.

Who cares if a few knucklehead neo Nazis protest? What are they going to do, take on the cops? Good let them try, they’d get their asses kicked.

 

[Dan]

Did you see how many people protested in Melbourne yesterday? It’s was crazy.

Who cares if a few knucklehead neo Nazis protest? What are they going to do, take on the cops? Good let them try, they’d get their asses kicked.

The point being……there shouldn’t be protests of any kind on a National day of celebration.

Things have become so toxic that I’m at a stage in which I’m gonna avoid television and the internet as much as possible in the days leading up to Australia Day. Just focus solely on the family bbq.

 

[Val Keating]

The point being……there shouldn’t be protests of any kind on a National day of celebration.

Things have become so toxic that I’m at a stage in which I’m gonna avoid television and the internet as much as possible in the days leading up to Australia Day. Just focus solely on the family bbq.

That’s exactly what I did this year, till the end of the day and I had a look on twitter to see what was happening.

 

[Ligma]

**** off basil

 

[Dan]

* off basil

 

[koshari]

The point being……there shouldn’t be protests of any kind on a National day of celebration.

Things have become so toxic that I’m at a stage in which I’m gonna avoid television and the internet as much as possible in the days leading up to Australia Day. Just focus solely on the family bbq.

Ideally there shouldn't be protests ever, protesting is a symptom of other things, practically the only thing i ever see always achieving a quorum is when the pollies vote on their own payrises, virtually everything else people have differing opinions.

people whine about xmas because its aligned to Christianity, people whine about hot cross buns being available before Easter, people whine about beer prices ( have to say iam guilty here)

 

[andana]

Perth Lord Mayor and TV personality Basil Zempilas has announced he will be seeking WA Liberal Party preselection for the seat of Churchlands, capping months of speculation about his ambition to enter the state political arena.

WA Homelessness Minister John Carey, who recently clashed with Mr Zempilas over a service for vulnerable women, criticised what he called the Lord Mayor's "naked political ambition".

"Basil Zempilas has consistently committed to Perth residents and now he's jumping ship [for a seat] in the western suburbs, not in Perth, and the reason is because of his failed record," he said.

Mr Zempilas spent years working across TV and radio before running for Perth lord mayor in 2020, taking on the job after a period of turmoil at the city council.

In the same month he was elected, Mr Zempilas was forced to apologise to transgender people for comments he made on his morning radio show, saying he "forgot" his new role as an elected representative.

More recently he has been engaged in a row with the government, in particular Housing Minister John Carey, over the closure of a safe night space for women.

In fact, how Mr Zempilas handled the closure of the safe night space was a point the current Churchlands MP, Ms Tonkin, said she thought would work in her favour if she faced Mr Zempilas at the polls.

"I've had a lot of feedback from women in the electorate about the safe night space issue … expressing enormous concern about that and being very critical of the position that the Lord Mayor has taken in that regard," she said on Thursday.

"I would hope that he would reconsider his position there."

 

[Val Keating]

Looks like people went a bit early on hanging Basil.

 

[Engimal v3]

I'd like to kick Basil between the legs

 

[ferball]

I don’t care what date Australia Day is. Change it, no worries. If it were up to me anyway I’d make Australia a republic and then change the date to coincide. I’d also change the flag by removing the Union Jack and inserting the aboriginal flag.

That said, there’s something that I don’t get about the change the date argument. It seems that the date of the 26th is very important to many indigenous people (and some non indigenous people) as it marks and draws attention to dispossession. All day I’ve seen interviews with aboriginal people saying it was always their land and always will be and we can’t forget what happened.

Well doesn’t Australia Day on the 26th give them exactly that?

If the date is changed to sept 12 does the 26th of Jan still stay invasion day? I would assume it would. So nationally we mark the 26th of Jan as invasion day. On the 12th of September are people morally free to celebrate the colonised version of Australia we have all lived our entire lives in? Will the aboriginal people that wanted to change the date participate in that?

We should just change the name to Invasion Day, keep the date and face up to the cost of Australia on the people who were already here.

Have another day to celebrate the many good things about our country and a day for people to mourn what we all lost and reflect on what we can do better. One day we'll all be mature enough understand that and we can pick another day to celebrate the good things together as well.

 

[ferball]

i think the general population would be pissed if you took a long weekend off them at the end of Jan to shift it to sept 12.

Just shift it to first Friday in Feb, people can morn the week before and have a lead up to a celebration.

Yeah just have a long weekend at the end of summer and call it "Tough shit kids you're back to school next week" day.

Then parents will have something to celebrate.

 

[ferball]

As much as many people don’t like to admit it, it’s worth celebrating that we live in a country where people can debate and argue so vigorously about what they believe in

And we have arrived at this point with a specific history

We are the story of ancient cultures hidden away at the bottom of the world, undisturbed for 40,000 years, taken over by the British empire, reinforced by mass migration of people that want a better life.

It’s perfectly valid to celebrate the 26th of Jan and mourn it.

My main issue with the 26th from an Australian perspective is it was the day NSW was formed not Australia and when it was formed it was to make a prison!

Why celebrate the day some campaigners from the other side of the world invaded your land and made it a prison?

 

[Ligma]

Are we the only country that celebrates the date of the invasion?

 

[ferball]

That’s exactly what I did this year, till the end of the day and I had a look on twitter to see what was happening.

I went to an Australia Day function in Kyogle cos a mate's missus became a citizen that day. Its obviously important for them. Drove over to the inlaws and the back suspension leg on the car shat itself yet somehow he had it fixed and replaced by sunset and ended up back in Kyogle at another having a beer with some indigenous guys I used to play footy with.

Apart from the function in the morning and a flag on my (admittedly redneck) inlaws deck I didn't hear anyone mention Australia Day all day.

The Australia day ambassador spent her speech talking about how bad domestic violence is and the stuff she's involved in to overcome it. Last time I went to that function was to smoke blown up my backside for fighting fires so it was interesting to see an important and challenging issue being given so much time at the Australia Day function. Maybe the country is growing up a bit. i reckon there were a few blokes in that crowd squirming uncomfortably.

AS we left the pub they were singing The Gambler by Kenny Rogers. LOL WTF.

 

[ferball]

Are we the only country that celebrates the date of the invasion?

Imagine Poland change their national day to 1 september or something?

India has its national day on Jan 26th cos that's the day they were free of the Poms.

 

[Val Keating]

I'd like to kick Basil between the legs

You’ve got to admit that it was pretty ****ed up the release an edited clip.

 

[Val Keating]

Are we the only country that celebrates the date of the invasion?

A lot of countries celebrate the day they won their independence from Britain, we do the opposite

 

[Engimal v3]

You’ve got to admit that it was pretty ****ed up the release an edited clip.

What happened? I'm out of the loop

 

[Ligma]

Imagine Poland change their national day to 1 september or something?

India has its national day on Jan 26th cos that's the day they were free of the Poms.

I just cannot wrap my head around it.

How do people think it’s okay to celebrate a day which marks the start of the torture of Indigenous Australians?

I also still cannot wrap my head around people on the internet still blatantly racist.

 

[Val Keating]

What happened? I'm out of the loop

Someone posted a clip that made it look like he was saying the women’s tennis is a reserves game. He got slaughtered on twitter for an hour or 2, heaps of pretty well known people gave him shit about it.

Then he posted the full clip and it’s obvious that he’s saying the news is the reserves game because it’s up against the tennis.

 

[Dan]

We should just change the name to Invasion Day, keep the date and face up to the cost of Australia on the people who were already here.

Have another day to celebrate the many good things about our country and a day for people to mourn what we all lost and reflect on what we can do better. One day we'll all be mature enough understand that and we can pick another day to celebrate the good things together as well.

Would you regard toxic hatred towards our democracy and burning of the national flag as acts of mourning?

 

[ferball]

Would you regard toxic hatred towards our democracy and burning of the national flag as acts of mourning?

Probably. People get pretty upset when mourning something.

I honestly couldn't give a rats about people burning the flag and I think your comment "toxic hatred towards our democracy" is kind of ludicrous.

 

[koshari]

Did you see how many people protested in Melbourne yesterday? It’s was crazy.

the irony is if it wasn't a public holiday they would be at work assuming they have jobs,

maybe its just how some people choose to spend a day off??