Random discussion thread.

[grizzlym]

It seems the more that forensic science advances, the more that people are cleared of crimes or exonerated after being executed.

 

[grizzlym]

We're all now familiar with this photo - Obama and his brass look on as the raid on Bin Laden's pad is underway.

Got that?

Now, notice how it was reported in this newspaper.

Both woman, including Hilary Clinton, have been removed from the picture. Obviously a woman's place isn't in the war room.

Apparently, it's an ultra orthodox right-wing Jewish paper in Brooklyn.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Re: Clarkson surely is under the pump

That's incredible! I mean, you hear the conspiracy theories and all that stuff about media manipulation but sheesh, to see it there side by side is incredible!

The other strange thing is that the photo exists. I'm guessing it's not common to have cameras in murder observation rooms. It's also interesting that the camera is not even pointed at the obvious point of interest (I.e what's on the screen). The whole thing smells like a stunt. They could have been watching hawks versus port for all we know (with the shielas in the kitchen getting beets like they should, according to one source)

 

[grizzlym]

Re: Clarkson surely is under the pump

That's incredible! I mean, you hear the conspiracy theories and all that stuff about media manipulation but sheesh, to see it there side by side is incredible!

The other strange thing is that the photo exists. I'm guessing it's not common to have cameras in murder observation rooms. It's also interesting that the camera is not even pointed at the obvious point of interest (I.e what's on the screen). The whole thing smells like a stunt. They could have been watching hawks versus port for all we know (with the shielas in the kitchen getting beets like they should, according to one source)

Impressive, hey?

 

[Arkadia]

Selective Reporting. The Media Moguls are at it again.............

Hey don't knock Brooklyn, sometimes i wonder if my parents had migrated to the USA, i would have grown up in one of those boroughs such as Brooklyn.

 

[grizzlym]

As I'm sitting here doing some work (tis late) the NRL footy show came on. And like a musical act comes on called El Dago (comprised of ex players) singing a song about 'immigration' to the tune of 'we're the champions'. Sort of like one of those Italian crooning groups. I'm literally speechless. It's so offensive. This is the code that has players who use hotel hallways as toilets - it all makes sense.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Re: Clarkson surely is under the pump

My old workplace would have turned your stomach Grizz. We were looking for a chemical engineer and had a whole stack of CVs. The most qualified guy (and I mean a guy with a phd) was overlooked because "he wouldn't fit with our culture" when I asked what that meant one of the most senior guys said "he'd bomb the joint". Yep, the guy was an Arab. Shameful.

That sort of shit was a big part of why I left.

 

[Off The Couch]

Well then I need to brag - our branch has a total of 13 people
We meet most of the criteria for equal opportunity. We have the regulation - single mother / the gay / over 60 / hippy / muslim / bored housewife - the only thing we don't have is a male

I must give our organisation credit where credit is due as they truly are a very eclectic employer and our 'big day outs' where we all gather once a year is truly a fantastic experience.

 

[TAITA]

We're all now familiar with this photo - Obama and his brass look on as the raid on Bin Laden's pad is underway.

Got that?

Now, notice how it was reported in this newspaper.

Both woman, including Hilary Clinton, have been removed from the picture. Obviously a woman's place isn't in the war room.

Apparently, it's an ultra orthodox right-wing Jewish paper in Brooklyn.

I remember many years ago - during the Clinton administration - OBL made the declaration that they would turn America's planes against them.

I remember it clearly because I found it so absurd (although I was not thinking outside the square at all at the time, more "How the hell could he infiltrate a military installation and commandeer these fighter jets?")

Do a Google search on it now - it's like those widely reported words have been erased from history.

The media is indeed complicit with the government of the day in the interests of 'national security'

Good one Rupert.

 

[grizzlym]

I really mistrust Google. It's not the plural democratic tool it's made out to be.

 

[Messenger]

Re: Clarkson surely is under the pump

As I'm sitting here doing some work (tis late) the NRL footy show came on. And like a musical act comes on called El Dago (comprised of ex players) singing a song about 'immigration' to the tune of 'we're the champions'. Sort of like one of those Italian crooning groups. I'm literally speechless. It's so offensive. This is the code that has players who use hotel hallways as toilets - it all makes sense.

My old workplace would have turned your stomach Grizz. We were looking for a chemical engineer and had a whole stack of CVs. The most qualified guy (and I mean a guy with a phd) was overlooked because "he wouldn't fit with our culture" when I asked what that meant one of the most senior guys said "he'd bomb the joint". Yep, the guy was an Arab. Shameful.

That sort of shit was a big part of why I left.

When you next hear Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison or some other right wing dingbat get up and talk about "stopping the boats" it is the people you've described here that they are talking to.

 

[grizzlym]

Finally! Spielberg has had the Tintin rights for years but never felt he had the right way to bring it to life.

 

[Langford4FBOTC]

Finally! Spielberg has had the Tintin rights for years but never felt he had the right way to bring it to life.

Simon Pegg was talking about it a few weeks back in his quiet word with Tony Martin

 

[RustyHawk]

Lists, Top 10's etc.

The top 10 greatest conspiracy theories​

The Roswell Incident of 1947 spawned conspiracy theories by the score. Here is a list of the world's greatest conspiracy theories.

1. September 11, 2001

Thanks to the power of the web and live broadcasts on television, the conspiracy theories surrounding the events of 9/11 - when terrorists attacked the World Trade Centre in New York and the Pentagon in Washington - have surpassed those of Roswell and JFK in traction. Despite repeated claims by al-Qaeda that it planned, organised and orchestrated the attacks, several official and unofficial investigations into the collapse of the Twin Towers which concluded that structural failure was responsible and footage of the events themselves, the conspiracy theories continue to grow in strength.

The theories range from those who believe the US government had prior warning of the attacks but did not do enough to stop them, to those who believe the Bush administration deliberately turned a blind eye to those warnings because it wanted a pretext to launch wars in the Middle East.

A large group of people - collectively called the 9/11 Truth Movement - cite evidence that an airliner did not hit the Pentagon and that the World Trade Centre could not have been brought down by airliner impacts and burning aviation fuel alone.

Many witnesses - including firemen, policemen and people who were inside the towers at the time - claim to have heard explosions below the aircraft impacts (including in basement levels) and before both the collapses and the attacks themselves. As with the assassination of JFK, the official inquiry into the events - the 9/11 Commission Report - is widely derided by the conspiracy community and held up as further evidence that 9/11 was an "inside job". Scientific journals have consistently rejected these hypotheses.

2. The assassination of John F Kennedy

JFK was shot on Friday, November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas at 12.30pm . He was fatally wounded by gunshots while riding with his wife - Jacqueline Kennedy - in a motorcade. The ten-month investigation of the Warren Commission of 1963 to 1964, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) of 1976 to 1979, and other government investigations concluded that the President had been assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald - who was himself shot dead by Jack Ruby while in police custody.

But doubts about the official explanation and the conclusion that Oswald was the lone gunman firing from the Texas Book Depository overlooking Dealey Plaza where Kennedy was hit surfaced soon after the commission report. Footage of the motorcade taken by Abraham Zapruder on 8mm film supported the growing belief that at least four shots were fired - not the three that the Warren Commission claimed. The moments of impact recorded on the film also suggested that at least one of the shots came from a completely different direction to those supposedly fired by Oswald - evidence backed up by testimony of several eye witnesses. Many believed that several shots were fired by gunmen hiding behind a picket fence on a grassy knoll overlooking the plaza.

In 1979, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) found both the original FBI investigation and the Warren Commission Report to be seriously flawed. The HSCA also concluded that there were at least four shots fired and that it was probable that a conspiracy existed. However, later studies, including one by the National Academy of Sciences, have called into question the accuracy of the evidence used by the HSCA to support its finding of four shots.

3. Roswell

The event that kick-started more than a half century of conspiracy theories surrounding unidentified flying objects (UFOs). Something did crash at Roswell, New Mexico, sometime before July 7, 1947 and - at first - the US authorities stated explicitly that this was a flying saucer or dis. Numerous witnesses reported seeing metallic debris scattered over a wide area and at least one reported seeing a blazing craft crossing the sky shortly before it crashed. In recent years, witnesses have added significant new details, including claims of a large military operation dedicated to recovering alien craft and aliens themselves, at as many as 11 crash sites, and alleged witness intimidation. In 1989, former mortician Glenn Dennis claimed that he was involved in alien autopsies which were carried out at the Roswell air force base.

The conspiracy theory has been fanned by the US military repeatedly changing its story. Within hours of the army telling reporters that it had recovered a crashed saucer, senior officers insisted that the only thing that had fallen from the sky had been a weather balloon. A report by the Office of the Secretary of the Air Force released in 1995, concluded that the reported recovered material in 1947 was likely debris from a secret government program called Project Mogul, which involved high altitude balloons meant to detect sound waves generated by Soviet atom bomb tests and ballistic missiles. A second report, released in 1997, concluded that reports of alien bodies were likely a combination of innocently transformed memories of military accidents involving injured or killed personnel, and the recovery of anthropomorphic dummies in military programs like Project High Dive conducted in the 1950s.

4. Nasa faked the moon landings

Some of the theories surrounding this subject are that the Apollo astronauts did not land on the Moon; Nasa and possibly others intentionally deceived the public into believing the landings did occur by manufacturing, destroying, or tampering with evidence, including photos, telemetry tapes, transmissions, and rock samples; and that Nasa and possibly others continue to actively participate in the conspiracy to this day.

Those who think that Nasa faked some or all of the landings base their theories on photographs from the lunar surface which they claim show camera crosshairs partially behind rocks, a flag planted by Buzz Aldrin moving in a strange way, the lack of stars over the lunar landscape and shadows falling in different direction. Many commentators have published detailed rebuttals to the hoax claims, and these theories have been generally discounted.

5. The Illuminati and the New World Order

A conspiracy in which powerful and secretive groups (the Illuminati, the Bilderberg Group and other shadowy cabals) are plotting to rule mankind with a single world government. Many historical events are said to have been engineered by these groups with one goal - the New World Order (NWO). The groups use political finance, social engineering, mind control, and fear-based propaganda to achieve their aims. Signs of the NWO are said to be the pyramid on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States, strange and disturbing murals at Denver International Airport, and pentagrams in city plans. International organisations such as the World Bank, the IMF, the European Union, the United Nations, and Nato are listed as founding organisations of the New World Order.

6. Elvis Presley faked his own death

A persistent belief is that "the King" did not die in 1977. Many fans persist in claiming he is still alive, that he went into hiding for various reasons. This claim is allegedly backed up by thousands of so-called sightings. The main reason given in support of the belief that Presley faked his death is that, on his grave, his middle name Aron is spelt as Aaron. But "Aaron" is actually the genuine middle name for Presley. Apparently, either Presley or his parents tried to change the name to "Aron" to make it more similar to Presley's stillborn twin, Jesse Garon Presley.

7. Shakespeare was not Shakespeare

Who really was the English language's greatest writer? Among the numerous alternative candidates that have been proposed Francis Bacon, Christopher Marlowe, William Stanley (6th Earl of Derby) and Edward de Vere (17th Earl of Oxford), are the most popular. Theorists believe there is a lack of evidence proving that the actor and businessman sometimes known as Shaksper of Stratford was responsible for the body of works that bear his name. Very little biographical information exists about Shakespeare.

8. Paul McCartney is dead

“Paul is dead” is an urban legend alleging that Paul McCartney died in a car crash 1966 and was replaced by a look-alike and sound-alike. "Evidence" for McCartney’s death consists of “clues” found among the Beatles’ many recordings. Hundreds have been cited at various times by various people.

They include statements allegedly heard when a song is played backwards, symbolism found in obscure lyrics, and ambiguous imagery on album covers. A few of them are well known, such as the fact that McCartney is the only barefooted Beatle and is out of step with the others on the cover of Abbey Road, pictured.

9. Harold Holt did not drown but was kidnapped by the Chinese

17th December 1967, Australia's 17th Prime Minister disappeared at Cheviot Beach at Portsea in Victoria.

After going into the surf alone he soon disappeared from view sparking a major search.

Holt was a strong swimmer and an experienced skindiver, with what Holt's biographer Tom Frame describes as "incredible powers of endurance underwater".

Speculation
There were many rumours surrounding Holt's death, including claims that he had committed suicide or faked his own death in order to run away with his mistress. The mystery became the subject of numerous urban myths in Australia, including outlandish but persistent stories that he had been kidnapped by a Chinese submarine, or that he had been abducted by a UFO.

In 1983, British journalist Anthony Grey published a controversial book in which he claimed that Holt had been an agent for the People's Republic of China and that he had been picked up by a Chinese submarine off Portsea and taken to China. Many of Holt's security detail had testified to seeing bubbles mysteriously surround him before he slipped beneath the waves. Much of this suspicion stems from the simple fact that his body was never found.

-source - wikipedia on Harold Holt

10. The Aids virus was created in a laboratory

Based on the theories of Dr William Campbell Douglass, many believe that that HIV was genetically engineered in 1974 by the World Health Organisation. Dr Douglass believed that it was a cold-blooded attempt to create a killer virus which was then used in a successful experiment in Africa. Others have claimed that it was created by the CIA or the KGB as a means to reduce world population.

 

[The BIG X]

Quiet day at the office Steve????

 

[grizzlym]

This needs its own thread, Rusty.

 

[Lord Mud of Glenferrie]

I have a conspiracy theory that all conspiracy theories are wrong except my conspiracy theory.

 

[Fevola99]

I have a conspiracy theory that all conspiracy theories are wrong except my conspiracy theory.

A lot of conspiracy theories are actually created by the US government to turn people against conspiracy theorists. They spread ludicrous theories no sane person will accept so people learn to disregard any conspiracy theory, then when there is actually a conspiracy the people dismiss the truth as the latest crazy theory and the government get away with it.

 

[grizzlym]

A lot of conspiracy theories are actually created by the US government to turn people against conspiracy theorists. They spread ludicrous theories no sane person will accept so people learn to disregard any conspiracy theory, then when there is actually a conspiracy the people dismiss the truth as the latest crazy theory and the government get away with it.

You and your conspiracy theories...

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

1. September 11, 2001

Thanks to the power of the web and live broadcasts on television, the conspiracy theories surrounding the events of 9/11 - when terrorists attacked the World Trade Centre in New York and the Pentagon in Washington - have surpassed those of Roswell and JFK in traction. Despite repeated claims by al-Qaeda that it planned, organised and orchestrated the attacks, several official and unofficial investigations into the collapse of the Twin Towers which concluded that structural failure was responsible and footage of the events themselves, the conspiracy theories continue to grow in strength.

The theories range from those who believe the US government had prior warning of the attacks but did not do enough to stop them, to those who believe the Bush administration deliberately turned a blind eye to those warnings because it wanted a pretext to launch wars in the Middle East.

A large group of people - collectively called the 9/11 Truth Movement - cite evidence that an airliner did not hit the Pentagon and that the World Trade Centre could not have been brought down by airliner impacts and burning aviation fuel alone.

Many witnesses - including firemen, policemen and people who were inside the towers at the time - claim to have heard explosions below the aircraft impacts (including in basement levels) and before both the collapses and the attacks themselves. As with the assassination of JFK, the official inquiry into the events - the 9/11 Commission Report - is widely derided by the conspiracy community and held up as further evidence that 9/11 was an "inside job". Scientific journals have consistently rejected these hypotheses.

There's an intriguing clip on Youtube that shows a supposed everyday member of New York society in the minutes after 9/11 stating how the buildings collapsed. Almost like he's reading it from a script such is the detail and explanation involved from someone who is supposedly frantic with shock.......upon further research this man was found to be an out of work actor.

Strange, huh.

 

[eldorado]

A lot of conspiracy theories are actually created by the US government to turn people against conspiracy theorists. They spread ludicrous theories no sane person will accept so people learn to disregard any conspiracy theory, then when there is actually a conspiracy the people dismiss the truth as the latest crazy theory and the government get away with it.

You're obviously a government plant, deliberately sent here to spread stories of government plants creating conspiracy theories, thus further muddying the waters between information and disinformation.

Cunning, but I've seen through you

 

[Wundo]

You're obviously a government plant, deliberately sent here to spread stories of government plants creating conspiracy theories, thus further muddying the waters between information and disinformation.

Cunning, but I've seen through you

Or is he..
Ah Ha! Wait, what?


I love a good conspiracy theory, but only the true ones.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Roswell happened, btw. Haven't you people seen "Paul"?


Oh, and just for good measure.
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[RustyHawk]

It is true...Blonde's do have more fun.

"I thought Europe was a country?"

http://www.snotr.com/video/675/A_blonde_and_a_3rd_grade_geography_question#1

 

[Arkadia]

No no no .......Europe is not a country, Europa was the lover of Zeus......don't these people know anything........................