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[Yawkey way]

Equity and climate justice, these were a few of the clues I heard listening to a Greta Thunberg speech.

She actually does a very good job of delivering her lines and obviously believes what she’s saying. No reason that I can see to be hating on a young girl no matter who’s working the strings.

I’m not buying her routine anymore than the UN talking points given they’re essentially the same. I’d find it easier to take it all seriously if it included everyone on the same terms and they dropped the wealth redistribution scheme.

Whilst Greta isn’t very impressive off script it’s hard not to tip your hat to her achievements no matter how well managed. Frankly her medical problems seem overstated, I don’t see anything remarkable about her features or physical development at all. Sixteen 162cm 45 kg with a history of an eating disorder, her features are common enough imo.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

There are way more smarter and talented 16 year olds in the world than Greta and they number in the tens of thousands. Guess they just can't act as well as her and/or their parents don't let them get used and abused by far left global warming warriors so we will never see them. Oh well...

 

[Yawkey way]

There are way more smarter and talented 16 year olds in the world than Greta and they number in the tens of thousands. Guess they just can't act as well as her and/or their parents don't let them get used and abused by far left global warming warriors so we will never see them. Oh well...

Remember Tanya Blencoe?.

Whilst not on the same level as Greta it was a pretty important pitch she made at a much younger age, it was a very successful tactic.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The company i work for is striving towards sustainability targets internationally.
I wonder how long before it hits home that all those international meetings ( fly in fly out for a couple of days of course ) aint good.
Having experienced it though, it is good to try the national booze of different countries, oh and some of their food as well.

Now an online meeting at our office isn't great , but there are facilities that can give very good meeting environments. VIsits to the workplace for practical stuff, is not so easy.

Global environmental summits and the like, should embrace this technology and push the boundaries for the best meeting they can have without going there.

( would help if all the internet bandwidth wasn't being chewed up by netflix....australian businesses need fast internet , yeah right )

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There are way more smarter and talented 16 year olds in the world than Greta and they number in the tens of thousands. Guess they just can't act as well as her and/or their parents don't let them get used and abused by far left global warming warriors so we will never see them. Oh well...

Sounds to me that she's had some sort of disabilities to overcome ( though i don't know ) and her parents are empowering her to be everything she can.
Her mother gave up and international opera career, so that she could reduce her footprint by not flying.
My son is friends with someone who has Asberger's he's an unusual kid, but not stupid. But the parents kind of try to sweep him under the rug.

 

[gringo2011]

My wife has next years placement to finish before she's registered and a thesis to hand in. Anyway, most medical professionals would find it pretty ridiculous that you can diagnose a condition from a picture no matter how you phrase it. I'm not obsessed with her like you seem to be and don't actually care about her other than find it odd how upset she makes some people. I'm not part of some leftist group either. I think I'm a slightly left centrist with a pretty straight forward approach. You seem to accuse everyone of being indoctrinated then sound like some amalgam of repeated right wing memes and unchecked propaganda.

I was using Howard and phrenology to point out the ridiculousness of the idea of making assumptions from pics. If you want to get worked up about her it's your prerogative. I find it quite a fascinating thing looking at it without emotion.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

My wife has next years placement to finish before she's registered and a thesis to hand in. Anyway, most medical professionals would find it pretty ridiculous that you can diagnose a condition from a picture no matter how you phrase it. I'm not obsessed with her like you seem to be and don't actually care about her other than find it odd how upset she makes some people. I'm not part of some leftist group either. I think I'm a slightly left centrist with a pretty straight forward approach. You seem to accuse everyone of being indoctrinated then sound like some amalgam of repeated right wing memes and unchecked propaganda.

I was using Howard and phrenology to point out the ridiculousness of the idea of making assumptions from pics. If you want to get worked up about her it's your prerogative. I find it quite a fascinating thing looking at it without emotion.

I lean a bit right Gringo, but i don't get overly attached to any of the ideology or people.
I agree. i don't get the obsession with this girl.
To me , she's only a messenger. Just like Jane Bun when she tells us there will be tropical torrents on grand final day ( but does she have to sound so cheerful ).

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...

cei.org

Food for thought. Lol.

2019: Greta the 16 year old predicts the end of complete ecosystems and children's dreams taken by the millions.

 

[Crusty Undies]

What issue did she identify?
One that hadn't already.

Hang on. You aren't going to claim that climate change isn't an issue, are you? 1800 native
species have gone extinct or practically extinct in Australia over the last 6 years alone due to climate change and aggressive deforestation. If you don't think that's an issue then I'd like to see what you think IS an issue.

 

[Drake Huggins]

My wife has next years placement to finish before she's registered and a thesis to hand in. Anyway, most medical professionals would find it pretty ridiculous that you can diagnose a condition from a picture no matter how you phrase it. I'm not obsessed with her like you seem to be and don't actually care about her other than find it odd how upset she makes some people. I'm not part of some leftist group either. I think I'm a slightly left centrist with a pretty straight forward approach. You seem to accuse everyone of being indoctrinated then sound like some amalgam of repeated right wing memes and unchecked propaganda.

I was using Howard and phrenology to point out the ridiculousness of the idea of making assumptions from pics. If you want to get worked up about her it's your prerogative. I find it quite a fascinating thing looking at it without emotion.

Whatever "doomer". Disappointing, to say the least. Can't listen. Can't argue properly. Back to the echo chamber where facts that destroy your arguments can't harm you. At least your views are increasingly irrelevant and rejected by the wider society.

I know that stings, especially when you are of the "everyone gets a trophy" movement. You're not obsessed with little Greta? Funny that. You've spent so much time defending her propoganda machine.

You're slightly left of centre? Too embarrassed to admit what you really are? No wonder. I would be too, if I was you.

Enjoy Trump, Scomo, Boris et al. Oh the pain! No wonder you're perpetually angry like all those ... I am too foolish to read the site rules who are protesting yet another devastating rejection of their nonsense.

A man who is not a socialist at twenty has no heart. A man who is a socialist at 40 has no brain. Wish your wife all the best with her studies. One day, in the distant future when she actually qualifies and has worked in the area, she'll no doubt be able to speak on the subject with some authority, unlike you. Back to crying over Boris.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...

cei.org

Food for thought. Lol.

2019: Greta the 16 year old predicts the end of complete ecosystems and children's dreams taken by the millions.

Wow your political insight is as accurate as your football insight. You're truly a nugget of intellectual expanse shrouded in thimly veiled anonymity hey. Johnny the oracle here to enlighten us all with his anti climate change rhetoric.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...

cei.org

Food for thought. Lol.

2019: Greta the 16 year old predicts the end of complete ecosystems and children's dreams taken by the millions.

Using "info" from Competitive Enterprise Institute as the basis for forming a view on anything.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Hang on. You aren't going to claim that climate change isn't an issue, are you? 1800 native
species have gone extinct or practically extinct in Australia over the last 6 years alone due to climate change and aggressive deforestation. If you don't think that's an issue then I'd like to see what you think IS an issue.

That's not what i said. But i didn't find out from your little hero.
I didn't know that we had a count like that in Australia, could you please point me in the direction of such a list?

As for climate change, there is a man-made component ( as in we've released carbon that was trapped underground ) , but its kind of amazing that the climate has been so stable in the current cycle.
What reason do we have to think that the earth will have a stable climate?

In the past the planet has come close to total extinction. It was during an ice age , the CO2 dropped close to the threshold where no plants could survive.

With more CO2 in the atmosphere plants grow better, its not a pollutant, but a product of the chemical reactions used for combustion. It was the by-products that were always considered pollutants. Yes weather patterns may be changing, and deforestation has always been an issue , but don't link CO2 to poor plant growth.

We're like tadpoles in a puddle in the antarctic, with a volcano stopping the water from freezing.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Hang on. You aren't going to claim that climate change isn't an issue, are you? 1800 native
species have gone extinct or practically extinct in Australia over the last 6 years alone due to climate change and aggressive deforestation. If you don't think that's an issue then I'd like to see what you think IS an issue.

Oh wait i found a mention of your 1800 species.

'A national disgrace': Australia's extinction crisis is unfolding in plain sight

More than 1,800 plant and animal species and ecological communities are at risk of extinction right now

www.theguardian.com

What it says is...
More than 1,800 plant and animal species and ecological communities are at risk of extinction right now

Further in the article it says.....
----------------
The fate of the melomys is symptomatic of the failures in Australia’s management of threatened species, which has seen the country lose more than 50 animal and 60 plant species in the past 200 years and record the highest rate of mammalian extinction in the world over that period.
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That's 110 in the past 200 years Crustie not 1800 in the past 6 years, and that's not even counting the Barking Toads in your crustie undies.
Don't get me wrong 110 is bad, but its not 1800.

Do you think that massive exaggeration helps your argument, because i'd suggest people are more likely to think everything you say is garbage.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Except she's lying and distressing young people all over the world with her hateful rhetoric and blatant lies. She may be a girl when it suits the argument, but in reality she is an uneducated, ignorant, mentally ill puppet being exploited by her organ grinders for profit.

If that's the sort of person you want to take your values from, then knock yourself out. Don't expect the rest of us to play along, nor judge those us who can think for themselves.I have a bridge in Sydney for sale if you're interested.

In the psychology game, we''ve seen an enormous spike in parents and their children seeking help for anxiety and fear because of Greta's histrionic and disingenuous rants. The world will not end in 2030. I'll put money on it.

Stolen her chidhood? What a sick joke. She should be rebuked and sent to her room for a time out, along with those who support her.

It's funny how you praise me as a paragon of knowledge and insight from the younger generations when you agree with me but then I turn into a brainwashed moron when you don't. It's almost like there's some kind of ad hominem there where you play the man and not the ball. Almost.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Oh wait i found a mention of your 1800 species.

'A national disgrace': Australia's extinction crisis is unfolding in plain sight

More than 1,800 plant and animal species and ecological communities are at risk of extinction right now

www.theguardian.com

What it says is...
More than 1,800 plant and animal species and ecological communities are at risk of extinction right now

Further in the article it says.....
----------------
The fate of the melomys is symptomatic of the failures in Australia’s management of threatened species, which has seen the country lose more than 50 animal and 60 plant species in the past 200 years and record the highest rate of mammalian extinction in the world over that period.
--------------------

That's 110 in the past 200 years Crustie not 1800 in the past 6 years, and that's not even counting the Barking Toads in your crustie undies.
Don't get me wrong 110 is bad, but its not 1800.

Do you think that massive exaggeration helps your argument, because i'd suggest people are more likely to think everything you say is garbage.

I said extinct or practically extinct. If you want to split hairs about the difference in semantics between practically and virtually that's on you mate. Koalas are functionally extinct now, that doesn't mean every koala is dead, just that there's so few left they might as well be. Which is the same as the other 1690 functionally extinct species in Australia. Next ad hominem please.

 

[Crusty Undies]

That's not what i said. But i didn't find out from your little hero.
I didn't know that we had a count like that in Australia, could you please point me in the direction of such a list?

As for climate change, there is a man-made component ( as in we've released carbon that was trapped underground ) , but its kind of amazing that the climate has been so stable in the current cycle.
What reason do we have to think that the earth will have a stable climate?

In the past the planet has come close to total extinction. It was during an ice age , the CO2 dropped close to the threshold where no plants could survive.

With more CO2 in the atmosphere plants grow better, its not a pollutant, but a product of the chemical reactions used for combustion. It was the by-products that were always considered pollutants. Yes weather patterns may be changing, and deforestation has always been an issue , but don't link CO2 to poor plant growth.

We're like tadpoles in a puddle in the antarctic, with a volcano stopping the water from freezing.

Yes. The climate has changed in the past. However, due to the extensive information we have about the level of atmospheric CO2 and greenhouses over tim in the last few hundred million years thanks the way ice sheets form, we can confidently say that the climate has never changed this fast. Not even close. It took millions of years for the earth to cool a few degrees for the last ice age to take place. We've raised the mean temperature on the planet by at least 1 degree since the industrial revolution, anout 150 years, some places much, much more than 1 degree. So tell me again how there's only a "component" of climate change that's manmade?

 

[PoppedCorn]

Lol left and right

Cmon guys

 

[Drake Huggins]

It's funny how you praise me as a paragon of knowledge and insight from the younger generations when you agree with me but then I turn into a brainwashed moron when you don't. It's almost like there's some kind of ad hominem there where you play the man and not the ball. Almost.

None of us are perfect. I know we're all coming from a place of good intention. Opposite sides maybe, but we all want the best. I thinknin this case we're being duped. Again.

As a GOM, I've seen it all before. As I posted earlier, my dear, departed dad had seen dozens of "apocalypses" come and go. He also grew up and fought under the Nazis. He knew a bit about brainwashing and mass hysteria.

I just offer a different view on this. Little Greta is starting to come under ever increasing scrutiny, and the results are not encouraging for her troupe. She's another curiosity being used to push an agenda. It is a clever approach, using a troubled child. Attack her views, you're a monster, the overly emotive approach clouds the issues and distracts from shortcomings. An approach as old as the hills.

I actually have great hope for the next generation.They'll work it out, eventually as every generation has. I do not think you are a brainwashed idiot. Proceed with caution and choose your Messiahs carefully. I should know. I've followed a few Messiahs in my time!

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Wow your political insight is as accurate as your football insight. You're truly a nugget of intellectual expanse shrouded in thimly veiled anonymity hey. Johnny the oracle here to enlighten us all with his anti climate change rhetoric.

Keep playing the man when you can't win. Its the sign in someone that can't accept the truth.

Feel free to get duped by the latest catastrophe predictions. Your choice. We should have been wiped out a few hundred times by now but here we stand...as does the planet 4.5 billion years later. Lolololol!!!!

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Using "info" from Competitive Enterprise Institute as the basis for forming a view on anything.

No idea on the website.

The page merely shows real and actual articles and quotes which make global warming hysterics look like fools. So it continues in 2019....if it wasn't so serious it would be kind of funny.

 

[bergholt]

Feel free to get duped by the latest catastrophe predictions. Your choice. We should have been wiped out a few hundred times by now but here we stand...as does the planet 4.5 billion years later. Lolololol!!!!

That's a pretty dumb way to think about it.

Personally I go to the casino every Friday night, change all my family's assets into chips and sit down at a high-stakes roulette table. Bet it all and hopefully I don't lose. So far that's worked out fine, therefore it's going to work fine into the future, right?

There's alway a risk with any course of action. Smart people think about managing that risk.

Are we changing the climate and is that an existential problem for the whole species?

No idea. The chance that's true is definitely not 0% and definitely not 100%.

Personally I reckon the existential risk from climate change is about 5%. That is, there's a 1/20 chance that we're changing the climate in a way that will wipe out the whole species.

If that's the case then I reckon we should take action.

What do you think the chance is that climate change is a serious risk to the survival of the species?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I said extinct or practically extinct. If you want to split hairs about the difference in semantics between practically and virtually that's on you mate. Koalas are functionally extinct now, that doesn't mean every koala is dead, just that there's so few left they might as well be. Which is the same as the other 1690 functionally extinct species in Australia. Next ad hominem please.

Yes you did. You said it was in the last 6 years.
Its not semantics. You lied.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

That's a pretty dumb way to think about it.

Personally I go to the casino every Friday night, change all my family's assets into chips and sit down at a high-stakes roulette table. Bet it all and hopefully I don't lose. So far that's worked out fine, therefore it's going to work fine into the future, right?

There's alway a risk with any course of action. Smart people think about managing that risk.

Are we changing the climate and is that an existential problem for the whole species?

No idea. The chance that's true is definitely not 0% and definitely not 100%.

Personally I reckon the existential risk from climate change is about 5%. That is, there's a 1/20 chance that we're changing the climate in a way that will wipe out the whole species.

If that's the case then I reckon we should take action.

What do you think the chance is that climate change is a serious risk to the survival of the species?

I am a lot more worried about an asteroid wiping out Earth and the expansion of China (which are real threats) over global warming which is being wildly exaggerated and used by rogue environmentals and socialists to try ruin the world to their pipedream.

It's all good to make the planet a better place in any area but let's not fall for the hysterical far left mob or a 16 year old child abused actor to get there.

 

[bergholt]

I am a lot more worried about an asteroid wiping out Earth and the expansion of China (which are real threats) over global warming which is being wildly exaggerated and used by rogue environmentals and socialists to try ruin the world to their pipedream.

It's all good to make the planet a better place in any area but let's not fall for the hysterical far left mob or a 16 year old child abused actor to get there.

Sure, but luckily as a species we can walk and chew gum at the same time. So why not deal with all of asteroids and China and global warming?

I understand why the dickheads making the argument turn you off. The left is very bad at a lot of things. But rational people can see past that.