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[jwikked]

I don't pretend to fully understand like a lot of the global warming cultists do. Nor will I take a celebrities word for it like Leo Dicaprio (a bloke that has burnt more carbon than of all us combined BTW).

BTW, there are plenty of climate scientists that disagree with the theories and simulations. Its a shame they get sidelined.

Which climate scientists and were their claims proven to be false? I’m willing to bet their claims were proven false and I’m also willing to bet they weren’t climate scientists either.

Leo DiCaprio has nothing to do with it. There you are again bringing in something completely irrelevant to try and derail a debate. I shouldn’t call it a debate because the science is settled. The climate is warming because of mans carbon emissions. Yes the climate changes over time on it’s own, but the warming of the globe is, and has been proven, to be directly related to the co2 emissions that we are putting into the atmosphere.
But go ahead, ignore the facts and instead target Greta again. That’ll sure show the leftists.

 

[bergholt]

How many people fully understand the theories and simulations?

Sure, but how many people fully understand how chemo drugs are made and work? Not even the oncologists who prescribe them. And yet if we get cancer we rely on a pyramid of experts with knowledge who tell us they know what's best for us. You can definitely find fringe scientists who say that coffee enemas will cure your cancer, but most of us don't listen to them (Jimmy Stynes excepted). Why is this situation any different?

 

[gringo2011]

And how many people fully understand global warming theories and computer simulations (or is it climate change which is a natural process that has existed for 4 billion years and continues) that always comment on it that have 100% belief in it?

Or do we just ask Greta or Al Gore or Leonardo Dicaprio these days?

I think that's no better than getting your information from Andrew Bolt or Allan Jones when looking for experts myself. Most people that don't believe in it are happy to look past the lack of expertise of the person talking if it backs their own view point. It's not unique to either side. Just for the fact that you have the majority of climate scientists certain that we should act even though they won't make any money from it seems like it might be real.

Andrew Bolt or Sam Newman might seem like good blokes but they are not experts on anything other than presenting content. Read about people like the Koch brothers who spend more on political campaigning in election years that the US major parties combined. They also spend huge sums of money on climate denial. If you look up Lord Monckton he's another who has spent years denying climate change for profit and paying others to do it.

 

[gringo2011]

I don't pretend to fully understand like a lot of the global warming cultists do. Nor will I take a celebrities word for it like Leo Dicaprio (a bloke that has burnt more carbon than of all us combined BTW).

BTW, there are plenty of climate scientists that disagree with the theories and simulations. Its a shame they get sidelined.

Climate deniers get more media play than scientists: study

Climate deniers have garnered far more media attention than prominent climate scientists over the years, fuelling public confusion and slowing the response to global warming, researchers reported Tuesday.

phys.org

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Climate science is not settled. To think so is very arrogant and foolhardy. Its a very complex scientific issue that has existed for over 4 billion years on Earth. We can't even work out how the last ice age ended for example and there are multiple theories and simulations on how it occured. We humans and our influence are but a miniscule speck in the eons of time on Earth. Miniscule! Microscopic in a actual fact!

As I said, it's not really about the science much anymore. Its turned into a worldwide religious cult where people fawn over 16 year old girls and Hollywood actors for verification or they just sideline anyone that might disagree or have issues with the theories and simulation. That is not science. I thought mankind had moved past that thinking but its a classic modern day example of why religions and cults still exist in the 21st century.

 

[Yawkey way]

Definitely, but that's not going to change so it means we have to concentrate on decreasing the impact per person.

I just find the notion that you can talk about climate change but ignore population growth absolutely ludicrous.

It conveniently ignores what the UN and the rest of the world has known for decades and failed to act on. Now of course it’s much easier to point the finger at developed countries with negative population growth etc and mumble phrases like equity and equality whilst asking them to do more and hand over cash.

All the while population growth continues and our standard of living and quality of life slowly decreases. It’s the same logic that allows two ancient global giants to claim developing nation status. If this truly is a crisis then everybody needs to be on board. Moving people around does absolutely nothing except cause more problems imo.

Top ten countries for projected population growth are India, eight sub- Saharan countries and the U.S. not through birth rate but immigration. Obviously this is an incredibly sensitive subject, however ignoring it will probably make meeting global warming targets nothing more than a dream.

Maybe Greta should have added how dare you encourage people who can’t feed their children to have ten more.

Hard sell to demand people stop breeding or get sterilised though. I remember there was a documentary on green house gases in the 90s on TV. It said that if one in 10 people in a rapidly industrialising China took up cars that it would be really catastrophic for the environment. Now countries with mass populations like India and Indonesia are also rapidly coming into wealth and are starting to mass consume like the west does, we are starting to head into train with no brakes territory. I really can't see the developing economies finally coming out of poverty and wanting to step back. It means we are kind of f’ed.

bingo, exactly gringo and by the time they reach the point where we know the birth rate decreases it’s probably way too late.

I have some hope that new tech and a radical change to how many people live will keep us in the game but contraception etc needs to be on the agenda not encouraging people to have as many kids as they can.

I wonder what the new capital in Indonesia will look like, cars everywhere or public transport. That’s the sort of project where the UN should encourage others to contribute cash and expertise. I could live with the increase in population density here if every household didn’t have five bloody cars. How about 1 car per household taxed on mileage and then punitive registration etc rising to the ridiculous for every extra vehicle.

There’s a million little things people could do to make a difference but setting the highest standards should be a given. Industry needs to really clean up their act, I’ve seen a family run business fit massive scrubbers and a water treatment system that returns all water used to a potable standard. If a company with 100 odd workers can be required to do that why can’t the big boys do the same.

China is an interesting country, they could set the standard and achieve just about anything. I don’t see any reason why they should encourage their cities to become even more polluted by a massive increase in petrol/diesel cars. Why not produce a local electric vehicle and mandate the use of electric vehicles.

Lower carbon concrete etc is massive and there’s lots more happening.

Haha I’ve resisted the air conditioning to this point as well and stupidly in hind sight didn’t put it in the extension. I’m regretting it now and will buckle soon and just whack a couple in the place so we can take refuge on the really hot days.

 

[Yawkey way]

Which climate scientists and were their claims proven to be false? I’m willing to bet their claims were proven false and I’m also willing to bet they weren’t climate scientists either.

Leo DiCaprio has nothing to do with it. There you are again bringing in something completely irrelevant to try and derail a debate. I shouldn’t call it a debate because the science is settled. The climate is warming because of mans carbon emissions. Yes the climate changes over time on it’s own, but the warming of the globe is, and has been proven, to be directly related to the co2 emissions that we are putting into the atmosphere.
But go ahead, ignore the facts and instead target Greta again. That’ll sure show the leftists.

University of east Anglia was one from memory who were busted just fiddling the numbers to fit the narrative.

Plenty more where the research was as sound as a three dollar bill, but it’s really just a distraction now. The overwhelming majority agree climate change is real and man made climate change is the problem, I’ll defer to the experts at NASA etc.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Nobody here is going to Greta looking for the answers Drake, and I think you're mistaken when you suggest large segments of this forum, Australia or the world are looking to her for the answers. Greta Thunberg's activism began by her imploring her family to reduce their carbon footprint.

Greta's fame is purely derived from the fact she encapsulates an attitude that young people have globally, and she has changed the conversation about climate conversation forever. Greta has inspired millions of GenZ, iGen and Centennials to formally lend their voice to the global conversation about climate change. We all know that younger generations are measurably more concerned about the environment, in an existential way. But up until Greta there has been very limited civic engagement by these generations beyond social media fads like the #trashtag challenge.

Fair enough if you have no stomach for what she is propogating, or her tone, or that she's being 'handled' by adults around her. But your dissonance doesn't change the fact that Greta is only giving voice to a sentiment that exists globally, and she has tapped into the very real anger and frustration of young people across the world. You can shout at as many clouds as you want, but you won't be able to put that bunny back in the box. Dare I use the word 'juggernaut' in the St Kilda forum?

I also want to point out that rising sea levels are impacting island nations in the Pacific, Fiji included. Island communities are getting their feet wet because of rising sea levels. This isn't jargon or an analogy either, I mean that literally. The impact a little white 16 year old girl in Sweden has had on the climate conversation is being cheered by Pacific Islanders, because we have been trying to tell the world we feel the same way for decades now. The West, and particularly Australia's political credibility is in tatters amongst Pacific Island states due to it's inaction. In Fiji we speak of the climate as an actual threat and it's way more complex than a simplistic loss of land due to rising sea levels.

But let's be brutally honest here. Nobody here really cares about the Island States. We'll mourn them if/when they disappear. Heck, we might even help save a few of those poor souls. But it's still not affecting us, so lets not go overboard. Carry on. Business as usual. I'll be gone anyways so just don't wreck MY life.

NASA has an excellent resource for the evidence surrounding climate change. I recommend it to everybody.

Climate Change - NASA Science

NASA is a global leader in studying Earth’s changing climate.

climate.nasa.gov

To quote NASA "The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia."

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[pebblesofsand]

Climate science is not settled. To think so is very arrogant and foolhardy. Its a very complex scientific issue that has existed for over 4 billion years on Earth. We can't even work out how the last ice age ended for example and there are multiple theories and simulations on how it occured. We humans and our influence are but a miniscule speck in the eons of time on Earth. Miniscule! Microscopic in a actual fact!

As I said, it's not really about the science much anymore. Its turned into a worldwide religious cult where people fawn over 16 year old girls and Hollywood actors for verification or they just sideline anyone that might disagree or have issues with the theories and simulation. That is not science. I thought mankind had moved past that thinking but its a classic modern day example of why religions and cults still exist in the 21st century.

Really - that's like saying you don't trust any medicine simply because they haven't found a cure for cancer yet.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

This is a funny pic whatever side you are on.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Really - that's like saying you don't trust any medicine simply because they haven't found a cure for cancer yet.

No its not.

 

[pebblesofsand]

No its not.

OK - I'll descend to your obvious intellectual capacity to make it easier for you -

YES IT IS!!!

 

[Joffaboy]

How good is climate change

 

[mightymalaka]

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This is a funny pic whatever side you are on.

I would call it more disturbing and sad!

Nothing funny in that pic, unless it suits an agenda to tear strips off the girl in question!
Is it real?

 

[Crusty Undies]

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Just a wild guess but maybe rampant population growth has something to do with the problem.

Population growth isn't the mechanism by which climate change occurs. What does population growth lead to? Hungry people who need housing and amenities. This leads to further logging, farming, coal burning etc. Stop with the surface level analysis and blame shifting to poor ass African countries. Countries like ours, the US, most of the EU. Are the ones capable of making changes. The population growth would be fine were it managed in an environmentally friendly way but it's not. That's not on some mother of 7 in Botswana.

 

[Crusty Undies]

I don't pretend to fully understand like a lot of the global warming cultists do. Nor will I take a celebrities word for it like Leo Dicaprio (a bloke that has burnt more carbon than of all us combined BTW).

BTW, there are plenty of climate scientists that disagree with the theories and simulations. Its a shame they get sidelined.

No actually. There isn't. In over 20,000 papers completed since 1995, 99.6% conclude that climate change is anthropogenic. So I suppose if you count the 0.4% of Koch Brothers funded "scientists" as plenty then sure. Otherwise, once again you're talking shit.

 

[Crusty Undies]

I would call it more disturbing and sad!

Nothing funny in that pic, unless it suits an agenda to tear strips off the girl in question!
Is it real?

Nah it's pretty obviously photoshopped. See the difference in saturation and lighting between the two images.

 

[borderbarry]

Does anyone know if Greta has even been to Africa?

 

[CursingFijian]

This is a funny pic whatever side you are on. [emoji16]

I have been avoiding replying to your posts flamingo, because they are mostly high school level trolling.

But the photo in question is disturbing not because of its clearly fake content, but it probably reflects your social media feed. For your information the photo can be traced back to the son of Jair Bolsanaro, Brazil’s controversial right wing President.

In this era of disinformation it is scary to actually see muppets willingly and excitedly pushing the fake message within their own community.

All I can do is go through it again with my kids, make sure they are always questioning the content in their social media feed. And to draw on the energy to do the 30 seconds of internet research required to find out whether things which actually impact them at some level are indeed factual. And if they can identify who/where a steady stream of propaganda is coming from to be wary of keeping those ‘friends/communities ’ in their list.

 

[Joffaboy]

Nah it's pretty obviously photoshopped. See the difference in saturation and lighting between the two images.

It is obviously fake and just another blatant attack on a young woman who threaten men because she wont be silenced.

A bit like malala yousafzai who spoke out as a young women against the fascist Taliban.
The intent to abuse and denigrate Greta is similiar without the attempted murder, so far.

Meanwhile how good is being a volunteer firefighter while the PM enjoyes getting his family away from smoke polluted Sydney.

Two dead, the rest exhausted due to #morrisonfires

 

[bergholt]

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This is a funny pic whatever side you are on.

Yeah! Some people are starving in the world so if she really cared then she wouldn't eat either.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Yeah! Some people are starving in the world so if she really cared then she wouldn't eat either.

Yeah, the pic is a photoshopped joke off Instagram. Harmless fun. It is not a serious or real image.

But anyway, showing pics of politicians happy and celebrating fires and burn out firefighters (like it has never happened in Australia's history before) is actually very ridiculous given the current real situation. People can stoop very, very, very low to get political points in this world. A lot of the volunteer firies from the scrub and country are more pissed off with people like the greenies and people from the city that don't let them backburn/manage the threat properly.

Bushfires are not a new thing. Repeat. We are a dry ****ing country. The aboriginals were dealing with this long before us.

BUSHFIRES WILL NEVER DISAPPEAR. WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE THEM.

Linking the current BUSHFIRES to Australia's co2 levels (Wwhich is less than 1% of the world) is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and POLITICAL BULLSHIT.

 

[Crusty Undies]

It is obviously fake and just another blatant attack on a young woman who threaten men because she wont be silenced.

A bit like malala yousafzai who spoke out as a young women against the fascist Taliban.
The intent to abuse and denigrate Greta is similiar without the attempted murder, so far.

Meanwhile how good is being a volunteer firefighter while the PM enjoyes getting his family away from smoke polluted Sydney.

Two dead, the rest exhausted due to #morrisonfires

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Nothing to see here, move along folks.

Also found out today, apparently the federal government approved a $110,000 donation to the Sydney branch of the Hillsong church which, surprise surprise, is Scott Morrison's church. But we don't have money to pay firefighters or even pay for equipment for volunteer firefighters.

And people wonder why I say a bunch of preteens could run the country better than the Liberals.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Does anyone know if Greta has even been to Africa?

Nope. She refuses to fly so she must go by boat. She would need a Navy escort in Africa. Good luck.

I'm sure the starving kids and adults in the millions with no electricity and water really care or know about her anyway.

 

[CursingFijian]

Yeah, the pic is a photoshopped joke off Instagram. Harmful fun. It is not a serious or real image.

FTFY