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[gringo2011]

Amazing the money people are donating to BLM isn't going to black communities but instead helping pay for campaigns run by the same political party that introduced the Jim Crow laws.

Is it proven?

 

[gringo2011]

Just checked. It's actually bullshit.

Black Lives Matter donations do not go to a Democratic PAC

Since protests over the death of George Floyd erupted in late May, donations to civil rights organizations have surged.

www.politifact.com

 

[Verdun]

Just checked. It's actually bullshit.

Black Lives Matter donations do not go to a Democratic PAC

Since protests over the death of George Floyd erupted in late May, donations to civil rights organizations have surged.

www.politifact.com

Surprise surprise, but let's keep discrediting them and not what they are saying.

Let's keep saying the 70 year old is the perpetrator.

Seriously we must be living in a parallel universe, call all the demonstrators fascists while you continue to become one.

 

[George]

Just checked. It's actually bullshit.

Black Lives Matter donations do not go to a Democratic PAC

Since protests over the death of George Floyd erupted in late May, donations to civil rights organizations have surged.

www.politifact.com

It's not bullshit. BLM is a Democrat group.

This isn't even about Trump either, just the fact the Democrats will pander to anyone for a vote. They have oppressed african-americans for centuries.

 

[Animal Cager]

Is it proven?

Yes, money trails have been identified.

 

[Verdun]

Random Discussion thread alright!

I'm pleased the footy has started, to many conspiracy theories on here.

 

[gringo2011]

Yes, money trails have been identified.

It's been fact checked and seems like it's not true. I'm sure they are using it as a way to appeal to a new audience and political gain from the situation, but the money trail seems to not show what you think it does.

 

[Moral Decay]

Jacinta Price has interesting views on the BLM movement in Australia. She believes the focus should be on why indigenous Australians are being taken into custody rather than what occurs once they are in custody. Physical & sexual domestic violence is incredibly common in indigenous communities, unfortunately only exceeded by the failure to report such matters. The statistics of deaths in custody in Australia doesn’t bode well for the BLM movement. I believe there are many protesters protesting because they think they are doing the right thing however they are being mislead by a aggressive & relentless political agenda that thrives on emotion & anger. There are other ways & times to make effective & positive change.

After all the yelling and shouting, the handwringing and the indignation, the political maneuvering from both sides, what will make a concrete differences?

In Australia, we need eye checks and hearing, better access to basic hygiene and better mental health at a much younger age, for FASD and all mental heath issues. About 90% of the prison population have mental heath problems, how any are simply there because of histories of childhood abuse. We need an understanding that it will take generations to work through cultural change and the effects of epigenetics, there is far too much emphasis on promoting culture and ego boosting, too much money spent on feel good, pride etc.

In the USA I'd take notice if they got rid of Jerrymandering, legislated to guarantee the capacity to vote, repeal the 13th amendment, demonetise the prison system, giving convicted people the right to vote, better access to health care, legal representation, a living wage etc.

In Australia it should be remembered that we are signatories to The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 23.1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_work, we are trampling the human rights of all the unemployed and the under employed.

It seems to be axiomatic that whenever there is a fiscal crisis, racial tension breaks out and the greater the crisis the greater the breakout, while poor blacks are in conflict with poor whites none of them are looking at the reasons for endemic poverty, for being a member of the working poor, they're all happy to get the adrenaline rush of self righteous indignation, pull a few statues down, have a yell and shout, a bit of argybargy, and all of it changes nothing.

In the end a poor white man has more in common wit a poor black man than he does with a rich white man.

I wouldn't even know where to look, so if anyone can tell me, how do imprisonment rates for black vs white compare when adjusted for poverty and access to effective legal representation.

 

[Joffaboy]

If anyone thinks the unrest in the USA is purely about police brutality, they are badly misguided.

For decades corparatist Republican and Democrat governments have directed a redistribution of wealth upwards.

2009, the Great Recession over 50 million Americans were hunger stressed but 700 billion to bail out the financial sector with not one exec losing their jobs or bonuses.

Obama got the jobs back but was still a corporate sellout.
Trump gave himself and his mates a 2 trillion tax cut while schools and infrastructure crumbled.
Now the pandemic, 40 million unemployed, losing their health insurance, now an estimated 54.5 million now hunger stressed.
And what did the corporates get? A 2 trillion bailout while workers got one $1200 cheque.
Senate voted 98-0 to bail.out corporates but let millions go hungary with no health insurance.
Meanwhile nearing 2million covid cases with 110k dead with a second spike occurring.
Floyd was a catalyst thats all.

Hilarious people especially the right wring their hands at looted stores when their bailout policy has put a steamroller through American small business.

None so blind.....

 

[gringo2011]

And the lunacy of the privatised health system there.

Coronavirus survival comes with a $1.1 million, 181-page price tag

The COVID-19 patient, from West Seattle, has insurance and so isn't on the hook for the vast majority of the charge. But the gold-plated cost highlights one reason why American health care is so hard to reform.

www.seattletimes.com

 

[StFly]

Random Discussion thread alright!

I'm pleased the footy has started, to many conspiracy theories on here.

It's why I'm watching some guys in blue rodger some guys in darker blue. Sodomy in the form of sports entertainment is better then whatever this migration is.

 

[Animal Cager]

Random Discussion thread alright!

I'm pleased the footy has started, to many conspiracy theories on here.

Well, the lightning premiership with canned crowd noises has started. Got off to a flyer with close to a nil all draw.

 

[Animal Cager]

It's been fact checked and seems like it's not true. I'm sure they are using it as a way to appeal to a new audience and political gain from the situation, but the money trail seems to not show what you think it does.

Who's fact checked it? Twitter? CNN? I mean it is actually really easy to fact check, if one wanted to do the work, such money goes into Trust Accounts etc. Have BLM denied funding Democrats? If so, have they explained where the money goes? If they fail to answer the second question, then they'd be corrupt.

 

[Animal Cager]

If anyone thinks the unrest in the USA is purely about police brutality, they are badly misguided.

For decades corparatist Republican and Democrat governments have directed a redistribution of wealth upwards.

2009, the Great Recession over 50 million Americans were hunger stressed but 700 billion to bail out the financial sector with not one exec losing their jobs or bonuses.

Obama got the jobs back but was still a corporate sellout.
Trump gave himself and his mates a 2 trillion tax cut while schools and infrastructure crumbled.
Now the pandemic, 40 million unemployed, losing their health insurance, now an estimated 54.5 million now hunger stressed.
And what did the corporates get? A 2 trillion bailout while workers got one $1200 cheque.
Senate voted 98-0 to bail.out corporates but let millions go hungary with no health insurance.
Meanwhile nearing 2million covid cases with 110k dead with a second spike occurring.
Floyd was a catalyst thats all.

Hilarious people especially the right wring their hands at looted stores when their bailout policy has put a steamroller through American small business.

None so blind.....

The pandemic 2 trillion bailout to corporates, including something pretty much identical to our Job Keeper scheme. You left that out.

 

[Animal Cager]

Just checked. It's actually bullshit.

Black Lives Matter donations do not go to a Democratic PAC

Since protests over the death of George Floyd erupted in late May, donations to civil rights organizations have surged.

www.politifact.com

Did you read the story carefully?

Firstly, the fact checker is Facebook. How would they know? Have they checked the Bank Accts of BLM and Act Blue? I doubt it.

In short conservatives have alleged that BLM funds Act Blue a funding arm of the Democrats.

The writer of the article claims bullshit, like this:

"The post is inaccurate. ActBlue is a platform for people to contribute to Democratic campaigns and other causes like Black Lives Matter. It passes along donations to organizations that use its fundraising platform — it doesn’t pocket the money itself".

It was never alleged that they pocketed the money themselves.

The above statement by the writer actually confirms the allegation, puts words in the mouth of those he is trying to rebut and claims the words he put in their mouth is a misrepresentation by them.

This is typical Fake News. Disgraceful and deliberately dishonest.

And if PolitiFact are supposed to be fact checkers, then we're in deep trouble of the Orwellian kind.

I'm sure Josef Goebbels was considered a fact checker back in the day.

 

[gringo2011]

Did you read the story carefully?

Firstly, the fact checker is Facebook. How would they know? Have they checked the Bank Accts of BLM and Act Blue? I doubt it.

In short conservatives have alleged that BLM funds Act Blue a funding arm of the Democrats.

The writer of the article claims bullshit, like this:

"The post is inaccurate. ActBlue is a platform for people to contribute to Democratic campaigns and other causes like Black Lives Matter. It passes along donations to organizations that use its fundraising platform — it doesn’t pocket the money itself".

It was never alleged that they pocketed the money themselves.

The above statement by the writer actually confirms the allegation, puts words in the mouth of those he is trying to rebut and claims the words he put in their mouth is a misrepresentation by them.

This is typical Fake News. Disgraceful and deliberately dishonest.

Politifact is literally a fact checking operation, they gather information and try to deduce the truth from their research. It's like blaming PayPal for someone selling stolen goods on eBay what you are saying. The Saints use some body called the Australian Sport foundation or something, they have the licences to operate as a non for profit and you don't need to set up which is expensive and hard to administrate. Act Blu might be for left leaning operations to gather funding, but it doesn't mean the money goes to the Democrats.

The Principles of the Truth-O-Meter: How we fact-check

Last updated Aug. 14, 2025 Fact-checking journalism is the heart of PolitiFact. Our core principles are independence, tr

www.politifact.com

And if you need another fact checker. Snopes don't have it yet but Factcheck do.

Donations to Black Lives Matter Group Don't Go to DNC - FactCheck.org

Social media posts falsely claim donations made on the Black Lives Matter website go "directly" to the Democratic Party, because the group uses ActBlue Charities -- an online fundraising platform. Donations go to the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. The funds first pass through a...

www.factcheck.org

Our Mission - FactCheck.org

We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit “consumer advocate” for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews and news releases. Our...

www.factcheck.org

 

[George]

If anyone thinks the unrest in the USA is purely about police brutality, they are badly misguided.

Gee that's concerning, who thinks that?

 

[MUFKilda]

Yeah and in Germany in the 1930s everyone bought a copy of Mein Kampf. And all kids joined the Hitler Youth. In China, everyone has the Little Red Book. Your point?

I agree all protesters are not looting, bashing people, starting fires and harassing free citizens with guns. Yet many are and the peaceful protests are providing cover for them. I've been involved in the organisation of some peaceful protests. The rock solid rules were, to stop violence if we saw it start or stop and disband the protest if the violence couldn't be stopped.

Given that you appear to be an Englishmen, tell me, why do they want to tear down statues of Winston Churchill?

I think the Churchill thing relates to his very mixed record in public life. He was certainly an imperialist and white supremacist, but many were in his day; certainly most of his privileged background. His opposition to Indian independence was more vehement and lasted longer than almost anybody. He was, on the other hand, a social reformer as a young Liberal, crucial to the first welfare benefits, introduced in 1912. He undid that good work in 1926 when he sent the army in against peaceful strikers during the General Strike. Later, however, his steadfast opposition to Nazism was crucial to Britain during the war. He's a divisive character, but I think most people, whether admirers of Churchill or not, want the statue to remain.

The late Roy Jenkins wrote a good biography of Churchill, which is positive overall but doesn't neglect his shortcomings. I would imagine he isn't too popular in Australia, due to his terrible handling of the Gallipoli campaign when First Lord of the Admiralty. One of his crazy ventures which cost so many lives.

By the way, I think your analogy of Black Lives Matter with Mein Kempf and Maoism is ludicrous.

 

[Joffaboy]

I think the Churchill thing relates to his very mixed record in public life. He was certainly an imperialist and white supremacist, but many were in his day; certainly most of his privileged background. His opposition to Indian independence was more vehement and lasted longer than almost anybody. He was, on the other hand, a social reformer as a young Liberal, crucial to the first welfare benefits, introduced in 1912. He undid that good work in 1926 when he sent the army in against peaceful strikers during the General Strike. Later, however, his steadfast opposition to Nazism was crucial to Britain during the war. He's a divisive character, but I think most people, whether admirers of Churchill or not, want the statue to remain.

The late Roy Jenkins wrote a good biography of Churchill, which is positive overall but doesn't neglect his shortcomings. I would imagine he isn't too popular in Australia, due to his terrible handling of the Gallipoli campaign when First Lord of the Admiralty. One of his crazy ventures which cost so many lives.

By the way, I think your analogy of Black Lives Matter with Mein Kempf and Maoism is ludicrous.

Ask a Bengali or general Indian historian on the Churchill sanctioned famine that killed 3 million Bengali's during WWII.
Churchill wouldn't allow Australian grainships to dock at the height of the famine.
When frantic colonial officials desperately tried to get food and told him women and children were starving to death, Churchill said ' well the wogs shouldn't have so many children'.
Ask the Australians who were were about to be invaded by Japan. He insisted to Curtin our 6th Division was to be diverted to India to protect his empire and leave their women and children unprotected.

The man was a mass murderer and an absolute kent.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I walked 26km today. My legs and feet are killing me.

 

[gringo2011]

Ask a Bengali or general Indian historian on the Churchill sanctioned famine that killed 3 million Bengali's during WWII.
Churchill wouldn't allow Australian grainships to dock at the height of the famine.
When frantic colonial officials desperately tried to get food and told him women and children were starving to death, Churchill said ' well the wogs shouldn't have so many children'.
Ask the Australians who were were about to be invaded by Japan. He insisted to Curtin our 6th Division was to be diverted to India to protect his empire and leave their women and children unprotected.

The man was a mass murderer and an absolute kent.

99.9% of the people here wouldn't know any of that. Gallipoli is seen as one of our most significant events but most just see it as a bit of bad luck and the result of a few tea-sippers who couldn't read a map sending us to the wrong beach. We get sold a pretty white washed history.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Amazing the money people are donating to BLM isn't going to black communities but instead helping pay for campaigns run by the same political party that introduced the Jim Crow laws.

The inconvenient truth

FMD!!!! - roflmao - talk about a relevance bypass.

When were the JC laws enacted - the 1870's

By who - a southern white wealthy group called the Southern Democrats.

Who are they now - Republicans

I suggest you try reading history rather than believing memes.

 

[Verdun]

99.9% of the people here wouldn't know any of that. Gallipoli is seen as one of our most significant events but most just see it as a bit of bad luck and the result of a few tea-sippers who couldn't read a map sending us to the wrong beach. We get sold a pretty white washed history.

Yep my ol man gave me a different version of our history that I would not have learnt, very critical of the English using Australian troops as cannon fodder especially in WW1 - maybe because he had two Uncles lost in France who had also been to Gallipoli. He was a racist bugger to our original inhabitants and others but he did give me a different view than I had up until then at school.

FMD!!!! - roflmao - talk about a relevance bypass.

When were the JC laws enacted - the 1870's

By who - a southern white wealthy group called the Southern Democrats.

Who are they now - Republicans

I suggest you try reading history rather than believing memes.

History is now only read by memes.

 

[Joffaboy]

So the extreme far right show their violent colours in Britain

 

[Joffaboy]

99.9% of the people here wouldn't know any of that. Gallipoli is seen as one of our most significant events but most just see it as a bit of bad luck and the result of a few tea-sippers who couldn't read a map sending us to the wrong beach. We get sold a pretty white washed history.

Another Churchill f up. How this mass murderer, and military incompetent get his reputation an example of the victors writing history.
In saying that, I still acknowledge him as a significant historical figure.