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[st_trav_ofWA]

I’d suggest you’re wrong.

its a pretty f'ed up cycle really ...
a crime commited by someone of a minority
the far right protest and get agro
the far left counter protest and get agro
the minority community are blamed
the angry person from the minority lashes out and commits a crime ....

round and round it go's

 

[CursingFijian]

its a pretty f'ed up cycle really ...
a crime commited by someone of a minority
the far right protest and get agro
the far left counter protest and get agro
the minority community are blamed
the angry person from the minority lashes out and commits a crime ....

round and round it go's

Blair Cottrell is a fascist with an agenda. It’s a little bit more insidious than a ‘cycle’.

 

[Yawkey way]

The non-existent gangs which may have contained immigrants from Africa are now pretty mobile and can be wherever they want. They seem to like StKilda. Because it hasn't been stopped by the cops and courts , the neonazi f-wits are getting involved. Total Mess.
If our cops and courts and immigration system weren't so stupidly tolerant, the racially intolerant nuffies would never get a foot in the door.

Meanwhile i'd suggest the "gang members" have caused a lot more trauma to innocent people than the nazi's no matter how offensive they are.

The media love this rubbish it had it all, the right wing the left wing and more police than have been seen in st Kilda for years.

If the police continue to turn up in numbers and the courts do their job then this should be a fairly easy fix. As a local I couldn’t give a rats about the politics but the beach and surrounding area should be safe for locals and visitors to enjoy. It hasn’t been for some time and not just because of some fairly recent out of control Africans, this area needs a permanent police presence. It’s a tourist hot spot and full of backpackers who seem to love a drink and party, mix that in with the families that visit plus the locals and you have a difficult mix.

The state government and council need to get on with developing the triangle site and a smart move would be to incorporate a new police station into the plans.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Blair Cottrell is a fascist with an agenda. It’s a little bit more insidious than a ‘cycle’.

oh yes i know very well his agenda and that of his cronies ... in my opinion he is every bit a terrorist recruiter for both sides .... nasty piece of work he is

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

The media love this rubbish it had it all, the right wing the left wing and more police than have been seen in st Kilda for years.

If the police continue to turn up in numbers and the courts do their job then this should be a fairly easy fix. As a local I couldn’t give a rats about the politics but the beach and surrounding area should be safe for locals and visitors to enjoy. It hasn’t been for some time and not just because of some fairly recent out of control Africans, this area needs a permanent police presence. It’s a tourist hot spot and full of backpackers who seem to love a drink and party, mix that in with the families that visit plus the locals and you have a difficult mix.

The state government and council need to get on with developing the triangle site and a smart move would be to incorporate a new police station into the plans.

as a local would you say the crime has increased in the area or is it just a case of it being more reported now ? as a tourist visiting the area at night it certainly has an ugly element but from my experiance its the strung out drug users and heavily intoxicated that i found uncomfortable in the area ... but maybe im just there at the right time to not see the gang issue ...

 

[SaintsSeptember]

that sounds a tad like saying "if she wasnt wearing such a short dress they wouldnt attack her"
as i said from here in Perth i can only go by what is reported on the news but from my (all be it limited) experiance in Melbourne i can honestly say i havent seen any of this "gang" action in Melbourne that is apparently happening all the time, so my question to you guys who are locals who are in Melbourne all the time is it really a big problem as it is reported ?
im of the age and i reckon StCicatriz would have a similar recollection that i still remember the time when it was the Vietnamese gangs so called terrorising Perth (gangs like the Dragonboys , Swordboys etc) and that launched a pretty hostile counter group who used the community fear of those gangs to build up their own "gang" of justice fighters ... at the time to me it just looked like a good excuse to have fights ... i wondering if this is a similar situation heading for melbourne

There's been a lot in the news about single punch crimes.

Forget about gangs with names.
Groups of very large people , in StKilda, have attacked people, unprovoked , repeatedly kicking their heads when they are down and unconscious. Google it, its in the news.

Often we have it reported that the victims of such assaults live or die. We usually don't hear about their ongoing medical conditions if they don't die.

 

[Crusty Undies]

I’d suggest you’re wrong.

Ah yes because words definitely hurt more than physical assaults.

 

[Yawkey way]

its a pretty f'ed up cycle really ...
a crime commited by someone of a minority
the far right protest and get agro
the far left counter protest and get agro
the minority community are blamed
the angry person from the minority lashes out and commits a crime ....

round and round it go's

It was a total non event only made possible by a weak response by the council, police and the courts to some outrageous criminal activity by a small minority.

This area is still very accepting and easy going despite now being awash with cash, and despite there always being some kind of cultural clash. Pubs being turned into apartments, live music venues being restricted because of complaints about noise and behaviour. It’s very hard to please everybody, people complained and rightly so about the Gatwick and now it’s upmarket apartments people complain it’s gone.

The area despite a few well known landmarks is barely recognisable as the area I grew up close to, ackland street was full of Eastern European Jewish migrants. The shops and feel of the place reflected that, now most of the shops belong at Westfield and McDonald’s is about to stare across the street at a new kfc.

St kilda feels like it’s tottering on the edge of being another suburb killed by its own popularity and gentrification, I guess time will tell.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

There's been a lot in the news about single punch crimes.

Forget about gangs with names.
Groups of very large people , in StKilda, have attacked people, unprovoked , repeatedly kicking their heads when they are down and unconscious. Google it, its in the news.

Often we have it reported that the victims of such assaults live or die. We usually don't hear about their ongoing medical conditions if they don't die.

i dont need to google it i see it in the news so i know what you are saying about what is being reported .. the question i ask is though as an outsider to that area and that community is the issue really as bad as what is being reported ? or is it being milked for the sensationalisation ?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

https://www.news.com.au/news/nation...a/news-story/01f5c64dd8b35148169ed59a489dbdcf

And we have the African community leader condemning their actions, but at the same time suggesting that it may have been racists causing it.
There is NO EVIDENCE at all to suggest that these victims should be slurred as racists.

its not new.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/l...t/news-story/bf2df0f815f7351ca438a8cc05b59c2a

And while i'm completely sympathetic to the plight of those from Africa, and understand why they are disenchanted, I don't agree with the soft approach. Not when people are being hurt. Use our laws the way they are intended, without prejudice one way or the other. But use them whenever we can.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

i dont need to google it i see it in the news so i know what you are saying about what is being reported .. the question i ask is though as an outsider to that area and that community is the issue really as bad as what is being reported ? or is it being milked for the sensationalisation ?

I'd suggest that most times you can go most places in StKilda safely, as much as you ever could anyway. Lonely planet will probably make it sound like the Bronx circa 1975 though.

 

[Crusty Undies]

i dont need to google it i see it in the news so i know what you are saying about what is being reported .. the question i ask is though as an outsider to that area and that community is the issue really as bad as what is being reported ? or is it being milked for the sensationalisation ?

I've heard stories from friends who's family has has had their cars burnt or been threatened at knifepoint by (apparently) young Sudanese kids particularly around the more working class northern suburbs in Melbourne. I actually don't think St Kilda is really the focal point it's just always had a tendency to draw in rowdy crowds especially after dark.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Ah yes because words definitely hurt more than physical assaults.

i think the issue is the words have a reaction that often leads to more physical actions ... if there is an issue (and im still none the wiser to if there really is an issue) then i think the way the far right protests go about "resolving" the issue is the compleate opersite of a way to resolve the issue ...
to me it seems as though the last thing any community needs is more violence and agression to solve anything

 

[Crusty Undies]

i think the issue is the words have a reaction that often leads to more physical actions ... if there is an issue (and im still none the wiser to if there really is an issue) then i think the way the far right protests go about "resolving" the issue is the compleate opersite of a way to resolve the issue ...
to me it seems as though the last thing any community needs is more violence and agression to solve anything

But the point he was making is that the so called nazis are worse than the African gangs. My point is that no amount of words justify violence. I don't care how much they were "incited" at the end of the day one group broke the law and one didn't.

 

[CursingFijian]

Ah yes because words definitely hurt more than physical assaults.

Ah ok. I was wondering why we put him in prison. He must have talked that house down.

Words matter, Crusty.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-only-be-kept-small-if-we-call-it-by-its-name

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

It was a total non event only made possible by a weak response by the council, police and the courts to some outrageous criminal activity by a small minority.

This area is still very accepting and easy going despite now being awash with cash, and despite there always being some kind of cultural clash. Pubs being turned into apartments, live music venues being restricted because of complaints about noise and behaviour. It’s very hard to please everybody, people complained and rightly so about the Gatwick and now it’s upmarket apartments people complain it’s gone.

The area despite a few well known landmarks is barely recognisable as the area I grew up close to, ackland street was full of Eastern European Jewish migrants. The shops and feel of the place reflected that, now most of the shops belong at Westfield and McDonald’s is about to stare across the street at a new kfc.

St kilda feels like it’s tottering on the edge of being another suburb killed by its own popularity and gentrification, I guess time will tell.

i gotta say thats really quite sad ... the area itself is one of my favourite places it brings back fond memories of my youth my Grand Parents for 45 years lived in Malvern so on visits to Melbourne we would almost daily head into St Kilda as outings to go get cakes ... i really hope it doesnt lose its charm that makes it St Kilda

 

[Yawkey way]

as a local would you say the crime has increased in the area or is it just a case of it being more reported now ? as a tourist visiting the area at night it certainly has an ugly element but from my experiance its the strung out drug users and heavily intoxicated that i found uncomfortable in the area ... but maybe im just there at the right time to not see the gang issue ...

This is a new element that imo won’t last long, and these gangs are as I understand it coming in causing trouble and going home.

St kilda has plenty of pubs and clubs and lots of backpackers I guess that’s always going to lead to drunks, drugs and thugs to some extent. I think anywhere you have that like chapel or king streets it’s the same. I usually feel pretty safe during the day and my kids eat, socialise and ride along the foreshore and to this point thankfully have never had a problem.

I do avoid some areas that are honey pots for people with drug or other addictions, there is a concentration of services that draw people who don’t nesessarily live in the area. Personally I still think it’s worth a visit but it’s hardly a must see, I would prefer a night out in Lyon street to be honest.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Ah ok. I was wondering why we put him in prison. He must have talked that house down.

Words matter, Crusty.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-only-be-kept-small-if-we-call-it-by-its-name

Ah yes the Guardian, a publication universally known for their unbiased reporting... I mean if the Guardian says so then they MUST be fascists right? I'm not saying anyone's right in this situation but one group is definitely more in the wrong and trying to pass off the blame saying "oh but they were instigated by those awful fascists" is insulting to these African kids intelligence. If it was a gang of rich white kids would you be blaming anti whites like the Greens for their crimes or them? I know who I'd be blaming.

 

[Crusty Undies]

And maybe you missed the articles linked by SS but I'd say 160 young adults fighting, assaulting bystanders, trashing a mcdonalds and other private property on 2 different occasions is worse than some people you don't like having the right to free speech just like everyone else in the country.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

But the point he was making is that the so called nazis are worse than the African gangs. My point is that no amount of words justify violence. I don't care how much they were "incited" at the end of the day one group broke the law and one didn't.

i think he is prob on the money with that comment ... yes gangs (of any race) are bad and i dont think you can excuse any type of violence to innocent people just wanting to go about their day but this faction of Alt Right are every bit as bad, they also use violence and agression to attack innocent people who just want to go on with their day but on top of that they incite retaliation and the cyle keeps on and on ... not for one second do i believe Blair Coteril gives a flying F**k about the victims of crime , its just a convenient excuse for him to launch his own brand of violence and hate on the community

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Ah yes the Guardian, a publication universally known for their unbiased reporting... I mean if the Guardian says so then they MUST be fascists right? I'm not saying anyone's right in this situation but one group is definitely more in the wrong and trying to pass off the blame saying "oh but they were instigated by those awful fascists" is insulting to these African kids intelligence. If it was a gang of rich white kids would you be blaming anti whites like the Greens for their crimes or them? I know who I'd be blaming.

when did the Greens become anti white ?

 

[Crusty Undies]

i think he is prob on the money with that comment ... yes gangs (of any race) are bad and i dont think you can excuse any type of violence to innocent people just wanting to go about their day but this faction of Alt Right are every bit as bad, they also use violence and agression to attack innocent people who just want to go on with their day but on top of that they incite retaliation and the cyle keeps on and on ... not for one second do i believe Blair Coteril gives a flying F**k about the victims of crime , its just a convenient excuse for him to launch his own brand of violence and hate on the community

What? Can you actually provide any evidence of these alt right people using violence to get their way? Trust me I've tried and from what I've seen they actually make a point of being non violent even if their protesting is aggressive because they already know their reputation in the media. Before anyone accusses me of being a sympathiser I'm not really I just like to find out for myself rather than be told my sanctimonious journalists.

And even if that's what you believe about Blair Cottrell... He's still allowed to do that, he's not operating outside the bounds of freedom of speech in Australia.

 

[Crusty Undies]

when did the Greens become anti white ?

When they elected Muslim senators who don't like to many white peiple at their rallies or who try to eradicate "white" traditions or who blame white racists when they receivehate mail for saying racist things...

Have a look at Sarah Hanson-Young's or especially Mehreen Faruqi's. They're both hateful towards anyone who's a male or white then cry racism and sexism anyone calls themout for it.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

And maybe you missed the articles linked by SS but I'd say 160 young adults fighting, assaulting bystanders, trashing a mcdonalds and other private property on 2 different occasions is worse than some people you don't like having the right to free speech just like everyone else in the country.

In the SE Suburbs , my daughter was stuck in traffic, while a group of very large guys with dark skin ( at risk of incorrectly labeling them ) were heading towards her from the traffic lights, smashing windscreens and panels with baseball bats of each car. Can you imagine the fear a skinny 19 year old has when something like this happens? They ran off when cops arrived, before they got to her car.
Not reported on the news. We've had carjackings in the area.
I almost welcome their move to StKilda, because with a higher profile at least SOME people might realize its a real issue and its happening.
The fascists are offensive idiots, ( i've seen them in action at community meetings and they risk derailing some of the things they pertain to be supporting ).
But i'm also pretty pissed at people like the guy in the guardian that tells me not to believe reality.

 

[Crusty Undies]

In the SE Suburbs , my daughter was stuck in traffic, while a group of very large guys with dark skin ( at risk of incorrectly labeling them ) were heading towards her from the traffic lights, smashing windscreens and panels with baseball bats of each car. Can you imagine the fear a skinny 19 year old has when something like this happens? They ran off when cops arrived, before they got to her car.
Not reported on the news. We've had carjackings in the area.
I almost welcome their move to StKilda, because with a higher profile at least SOME people might realize its a real issue and its happening.
The fascists are offensive idiots, ( i've seen them in action at community meetings and they risk derailing some of the things they pertain to be supporting ).
But i'm also pretty pissed at people like the guy in the guardian that tells me not to believe reality.

I would've been terrified that's for sure.
And I couldn't have said it better myself.