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[Stan_Darsh72]

Rudd doing a terrific job getting people to sign that petition to remove the Murdoch media that is brainwashing this country with their Liberal agenda. Politics now is like choosing between the lesser of two evils. I just decide to choose the lesser of the two.

The tide is slowly turning against Murdoch and the LNP.

Rupert Murdoch has done more damage to this country then any terrorist or any virus.

 

[Mowman]

The tide is slowly turning against Murdoch and the LNP.

Rupert Murdoch has done more damage to this country then any terrorist or any virus.

Oh bullsh--

 

[plugger66]

The tide is slowly turning against Murdoch and the LNP.

Rupert Murdoch has done more damage to this country then any terrorist or any virus.

Is that based on what? LNP I mean? Can’t see any proof of that.

 

[George]

The tide is slowly turning against Murdoch and the LNP.

Rupert Murdoch has done more damage to this country then any terrorist or any virus.

He is a cancer on our democracy

 

[Stewart66]

He is a cancer on our democracy

Lachlan worst of the lot scary .

How Lachlan Murdoch Went From Studying Philosophy at Princeton to Exploiting White Nationalism at Fox News

Rupert Murdoch's oldest son has taken charge of Fox News. The family's role in the far-right network is coming under greater scrutiny.

theintercept.com

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[George]

Lachlan worst of the lot scary .

How Lachlan Murdoch Went From Studying Philosophy at Princeton to Exploiting White Nationalism at Fox News

Rupert Murdoch's oldest son has taken charge of Fox News. The family's role in the far-right network is coming under greater scrutiny.

theintercept.com

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Yep heard plenty about him apparently much worse

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

He is a cancer on our democracy

Our worst export ever

 

[plugger66]

Our worst export ever

Apparently worse than terrorists and a virus that’s killed a huge amount of people. That’s not emotive of course.

 

[Stewart66]

The tide is slowly turning against Murdoch and the LNP.

Rupert Murdoch has done more damage to this country then any terrorist or any virus.

pretty much covers it.

 

[gringo2011]

And the vic government are going ok? As bad as that is I don’t it’s killing people or business. Strange that labor people can find fault with other states at this stage. Sound like a mate of mine who follows the Pies and as soon as they lost he got stuck into the saints because we only have one flag. Think it might be called deflecting as the others did with casualisation of the work force.

To me the government has done about all they could after the initial stuff up. Neither government would have done much differently to be honest and I’m not really a fan of any major party. Pretty much pandemic planning would have been there and the government follows advisers.
Both make it a political issue because they hope it wins votes. The media love a story that gets eyes on them too. Both sides are pretty much the same. If you think there would have been a better result with a different leader I think you’re naive. It’s just another outrage to sell shit and win votes. It’s just more fun to be on the outraged side because it’s not your side ****ing up.

 

[Nutsngum]

To me the government has done about all they could after the initial stuff up. Neither government would have done much differently to be honest and I’m not really a fan of any major party. Pretty much pandemic planning would have been there and the government follows advisers.
Both make it a political issue because they hope it wins votes. The media love a story that gets eyes on them too. Both sides are pretty much the same. If you think there would have been a better result with a different leader I think you’re naive. It’s just another outrage to sell sh*t and win votes. It’s just more fun to be on the outraged side because it’s not your side ******* up.

People should do themselves a favour and watch the old BBC comedy Yes Minister to get an actual idea of why the public service is an entity unto itself independent of the government in charge.

 

[St Muir]

Is that based on what? LNP I mean? Can’t see any proof of that.

Try reading the HS or Australian. Murdoch’s support of the LNP goes all the way back to the 80’s. It’s all there for you to check.
Ironically, the Hawk/Keating era helped give Murdoch a boost and create the monolith we have today.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[plugger66]

To me the government has done about all they could after the initial stuff up. Neither government would have done much differently to be honest and I’m not really a fan of any major party. Pretty much pandemic planning would have been there and the government follows advisers.
Both make it a political issue because they hope it wins votes. The media love a story that gets eyes on them too. Both sides are pretty much the same. If you think there would have been a better result with a different leader I think you’re naive. It’s just another outrage to sell sh*t and win votes. It’s just more fun to be on the outraged side because it’s not your side ******* up.

I don’t think it’s naive at all to think the libs wouldnt of got quarantine wrong. The reason is simple and that being the libs federal wanted states to not use security so I’m guessing the state would have done that. What is naive is people just saying apart from that both parties would have been the same. Apart from that? That has caused all this. Apart from the tigers kicking more score than us last week we actually won. We wouldn’t have these restrictions if it wasn’t for initial stuff up and the other thing that they have also basically admitted is our contract tracing wasn’t as good as nsw. But apart from that they would have been the same. I love those people looking for excuses. The weather, to many casual jobs, etc. I’d rather look at facts and one state in the whole of this country had a second wave and that was us. One state stuffed up quarantine and that was us. One state seemed to contract tracing not up to the nsw standard and that was us. You can continue to look for excuses after the event. To me that is naive.

 

[plugger66]

Try reading the HS or Australian. Murdoch’s support of the LNP goes all the way back to the 80’s. It’s all there for you to check.
Ironically, the Hawk/Keating era helped give Murdoch a boost and create the monolith we have today.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

What has that got to do with his statement that the liberal party are losing support. Not sure the polls show that. Murdoch and his papers are a seperate discussion.

 

[gringo2011]

I don’t think it’s naive at all to think the libs wouldnt of got quarantine wrong. The reason is simple and that being the libs federal wanted states to not use security so I’m guessing the state would have done that. What is naive is people just saying apart from that both parties would have been the same. Apart from that? That has caused all this. Apart from the tigers kicking more score than us last week we actually won. We wouldn’t have these restrictions if it wasn’t for initial stuff up and the other thing that they have also basically admitted is our contract tracing wasn’t as good as nsw. But apart from that they would have been the same. I love those people looking for excuses. The weather, to many casual jobs, etc. I’d rather look at facts and one state in the whole of this country had a second wave and that was us. One state stuffed up quarantine and that was us. One state seemed to contract tracing not up to the nsw standard and that was us. You can continue to look for excuses after the event. To me that is naive.

In NSW my mum's friend literally got taken from the plane to hotel by the the ADF bus and then was left go and only saw staff from the hotel and security staff. That's what Victoria agreed to. It seems like the police requested the private security to keep them from having to do it but ministers won't blame them. Maybe to keep public confidence during a time of pretty serious anti-police sentiment.

I reckon the political divisions are the worst thing about the internet age. Half the time it's not even rational but we are getting a wedge driven between us. Families are in fighting over **** all. I'm trying to be a lot more balanced in my views these days. I like lots of people with different political ideas, I'm not getting too emotional over it all and trying to remember the things we do haven common. Most politicians are campaigners on both sides. I judge them on competence and their lack of thieving. Not many I rate unfortunately.

 

[plugger66]

In NSW my mum's friend literally got taken from the plane to hotel by the the ADF bus and then was left go and only saw staff from the hotel and security staff. That's what Victoria agreed to. It seems like the police requested the private security to keep them from having to do it but ministers won't blame them. Maybe to keep public confidence during a time of pretty serious anti-police sentiment.

I reckon the political divisions are the worst thing about the internet age. Half the time it's not even rational but we are getting a wedge driven between us. Families are in fighting over fu** all. I'm trying to be a lot more balanced in my views these days. I like lots of people with different political ideas, I'm not getting too emotional over it all and trying to remember the things we do haven common. Most politicians are campaigners on both sides. I judge them on competence and their lack of thieving. Not many I rate unfortunately.

More like the politicians won’t admit fault. Keep looking for excuses for that stuff up. And if families are fighting over policies and politicians then they have problems. As much as I’m pissed off with the incompetence I’m not going to fight over it unless people actually think writing something on here is fighting over it.

 

[gringo2011]

Try reading the HS or Australian. Murdoch’s support of the LNP goes all the way back to the 80’s. It’s all there for you to check.
Ironically, the Hawk/Keating era helped give Murdoch a boost and create the monolith we have today.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The problem with Murdoch is his saturation here. His newspapers don't pretend to be news and people aren't taught to be very discerning with what they read. We still remember the old days where there were standards where you were meant to be report in an impartial and uneditorialised way. Now the whole news is done with a political bias. You don't see it so it manipulates your thoughts.

Murdoch is a shit person because he manipulates governments as well as populations and profits from it. It's type of corruption, his real money spinners are in gas and oil, he is strongly anti environmental because of that and uses his media to promote it. Most of his media operations are actually running at a loss which means he can claim the costs and pay no tax.

 

[Crusty Undies]

To me the government has done about all they could after the initial stuff up. Neither government would have done much differently to be honest and I’m not really a fan of any major party. Pretty much pandemic planning would have been there and the government follows advisers.
Both make it a political issue because they hope it wins votes. The media love a story that gets eyes on them too. Both sides are pretty much the same. If you think there would have been a better result with a different leader I think you’re naive. It’s just another outrage to sell sh*t and win votes. It’s just more fun to be on the outraged side because it’s not your side ******* up.

Considering almost everything good the Liberals have "done" in response to covid has been at the behest of Labor pulling them there kicking and screaming I'd say the major parties would've done a fair bit differently personally. For starters Labor wouldn't have released another budget that will further cripple our economy giving tax cuts that we know don't stimulate the economy at all. Secondly, if any tax cuts were given it would be to people who actually need them; not people who earn 150k a year or more. Jobseeker and Jobkeeper would have been extended and expanded, university funding would not have been cut, etc etc etc.

 

[gilbert the best]

He is a cancer on our democracy

so ok to have left wing abc and the age, but right wing sun is a cancer.

 

[pebblesofsand]

People should do themselves a favour and watch the old BBC comedy Yes Minister to get an actual idea of why the public service WAS an entity unto itself independent of the government in charge.

Fixed it!!!

The politicisation of the public sector and the loss of the desire and capacity to give "free and frank" advice is one of the worst changes to our democractic processes. As the years rolled by, it never ceased to amaze me as to how far down the ranks, staff would now think that their job was to give me advice that was tempered by what they saw as the political considerations.

I kept telling them they were employed to give the facts not their opinions and it was my job to provide those facts to the politicians.

 

[gringo2011]

Considering almost everything good the Liberals have "done" in response to covid has been at the behest of Labor pulling them there kicking and screaming I'd say the major parties would've done a fair bit differently personally. For starters Labor wouldn't have released another budget that will further cripple our economy giving tax cuts that we know don't stimulate the economy at all. Secondly, if any tax cuts were given it would be to people who actually need them; not people who earn 150k a year or more. Jobseeker and Jobkeeper would have been extended and expanded, university funding would not have been cut, etc etc etc.

They both have different ways of spending but at least money is still flowing. I agree that I think Swan probably did it better but you have got expect the different sides will do it differently. Some political differences are going to show up. Most of it doesn't make a huge difference to regular people on the ground.

There was already a world recession on the way before this, it will hit and won't be all the coalition decisions. This has just hobbled an already broken down horse.The shit you don't want is for the governments to respond with austerity measures. That never works. The wold's financial systems need an overhaul and hopefully the pain will let that happen. We are at a technological cross road right now.

 

[gringo2011]

Fixed it!!!

The politicisation of the public sector and the loss of the desire and capacity to give "free and frank" advice is one of the worst changes to our democractic processes. As the years rolled by, it never ceased to amaze me as to how far down the ranks, staff would now think that their job was to give me advice that was tempered by what they saw as the political considerations.

I kept telling them they were employed to give the facts not their opinions and it was my job to provide those facts to the politicians.

The outsourcing of decision making to external advisers is worse. Often they advise governments to give money to them or a shell company owned by someone close to them.

 

[gringo2011]

so ok to have left wing abc and the age, but right wing sun is a cancer.

The ABC is neutral but looks like it communist because most others are politicised. The Age is pretty centrist these days, still politicises to push the centrist agenda though. It's for inner city w***ers like me who want to feel like we are good people while not really doing much but drinking coffee and looking concerned for poor people. The Guardian on line here is pretty much the left wing equivalent of the Herald Sun. It's unapologetically left leaning and editorialised to suit their agenda.

 

[St Muir]

What has that got to do with his statement that the liberal party are losing support. Not sure the polls show that. Murdoch and his papers are a seperate discussion.

My apologies, I misread your post and thought you were saying you wanted evidence that the Murdoch press supports the LNP.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

People should do themselves a favour and watch the old BBC comedy Yes Minister to get an actual idea of why the public service is an entity unto itself independent of the government in charge.

I liked Hollowmen.