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[pebblesofsand]

About 5:20 onwards. Nah race had nothing to do with it

If anyone is still naive enough to think that the Republican bluster is about the election being stolen, they only have to follow up on the news today that the Republicans will contest the results in two and only two counties in Wisconsin, nobody should be surprised to hear that they are both Democrat wins.

But here's the thing - Biden won Wisconsin by 20,000+ votes - the Dems only won 14 counties in Wisconsin and 8 of those counties have less voters IN TOTAL than Biden's entire winning margin for the state and another 3 have less than 50,000 voters.

So there are only three counties of sufficient size to actually change the outcome and that could only happen if wholesale voter fraud magically occurred without anybody noticing it.

And the results in those 3 (predominantly urban and black) counties, (EDIT Counties contested are now confirmed as Dane - Biden 76%, and Milwauke - Biden 70%. Nearly 3% of all votes cast in the two electorates would need to change, all in Trumps favour, to affect the result.)

Once again no evidence has been produced and the results are going to be recounted based on objections to "irregularities" which occur in every election, in every county, in every state and in every democratic country in the world.

Its essentially like saying that every senate election in Australia should be invalidated because there were donkey votes.

The whole process is a cynical and unscrupulous attempt to subvert democratic processes and to keep Republican voters engaged enough to hope that the Republicans don't lose the 2 run off elections in Georgia which would see them the lose control of both houses. Its a fraud!!!

It staggers me that anyone can defend these sort of attacks on democratic processes.

 

[George]

WA here needs 28 days no cases to drop mandatory 14 day quarantine

How many days are you at now? My initial plan was two weeks in Brisbane and then two weeks in Perth but WA has been far more strict with opening up.

 

[StCicatriz]

How many days are you at now? My initial plan was two weeks in Brisbane and then two weeks in Perth but WA has been far more strict with opening up.

sorry WA needs Victoria to get to 28 days of no cases, for those from Victoria to come in without 14 days quarantine. we are hoping to fly over during footy season next year.

SA have to quarantine now. NSW same as victoria and SA until they hit 28 days.

NT/TAS/Act/Qld all good.

 

[gringo2011]

I wonder if our total COVID + Flu deaths over winter is above or below the averages Flu deaths?

You’d think combatting COVID wiping out a lot of the flu deaths we might have parity?

You should be able to find excess mortality rates somewhere. They have Europe and the US in this one but if you researched a bit you could probably find it for Oz. Some Euro countries like Norway seem to have dropped to below normal years now probably because they used lockdown and masks to counter it. The worry for the US is that its had higher rates in winter and they are now heading into one.

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)

Excess mortality is a term used in epidemiology and public health that refers to the number of deaths from all causes during a crisis above and beyond what we would have expected to see under ‘normal’ conditions.1 In this case, we’re interested in how the number of deaths during the COVID-19...

ourworldindata.org

 

[gringo2011]

If anyone is still naive enough to think that the Republican bluster is about the election being stolen, they only have to follow up on the news today that the Republicans will contest the results in two and only two counties in Wisconsin, nobody should be surprised to hear that they are both Democrat wins.

But here's the thing - Biden won Wisconsin by 20,000+ votes - the Dems only won 14 counties in Wisconsin and 8 of those counties have less voters IN TOTAL than Biden's entire winning margin for the state and another 3 have less than 50,000 voters.

So there are only three counties of sufficient size to actually change the outcome and that could only happen if wholesale voter fraud magically occurred without anybody noticing it.

And the results in those 3 (predominantly urban and black) counties, (EDIT Counties contested are now confirmed as Dane - Biden 76%, and Milwauke - Biden 70%. Nearly 3% of all votes cast in the two electorates would need to changed, all in Trumps favour, to affect the result.)

Once again no evidence has been produced and the results are going to be recounted based on objections to "irregularities" which occur in every election, in every county, in every state and in every democratic country in the world.

Its essentially like saying that every senate election in Australia should be invalidated because there were donkey votes.

The whole process is a cynical and unscrupulous attempt to subvert democratic processes and to keep Republican voters engaged enough to hope that the Republicans don't lose the 2 run off elections in Georgia which would see them the lose control of both houses. Its a fraud!!!

It staggers me that anyone can defend these sort of attacks on democratic processes.

On Planet America on ABC they had Tucker Carlson reporting that dead people voted and falsely named two that were an old lady that used her name as Mrs what ever her dead husband was called and a dead person who hasn't even been registered to vote since 2018. They are trying anything now.

 

[Jay Beast]

Looks interesting, what's the overview of it?

Was first printed in 1966 and after a small initial run (1000 copies I believe) it was stopped and the printing plates were broken. It was subsequently brought back into print with a number of the more explosive revelations removed. Fortunately the original manuscript was found and the full version republished.

Essentially it is a history book - Goes from Industrial Revolution through to the Vietnam War but also introduces "the network" and their activities.

 

[Ceanag]

On Planet America on ABC they had Tucker Carlson reporting that dead people voted and falsely named two that were an old lady that used her name as Mrs what ever her dead husband was called and a dead person who hasn't even been registered to vote since 2018. They are trying anything now.

Did you read my comment and watch the video I posted on page 374 which explains the bigger picture of how Trump could win (or not) ...there's a lot more to it than the petty instances you mentioned above.

 

[bergholt]

Some here cannot understand why Trump believes he has a chance to win the 2020 election.
The video I have linked is rather long but the pertinent part is the first 3.30 mins with comment by attorney Alan Dershowitz.
It appears it's not the small recounts or localised fraud which will be the deciding factor ..there is a bigger game at play and I believe this first 3.30 mins will explain what is happening in a balanced non partisan way.... make of it what you will.

The fundamental problem with the US system is how much they use computers to do the counting/tabulation/whatever.

I've spent 20+ years working in tech and IT, and I wouldn't put computers anywhere near this process. Count the votes by hand, then ring someone and tell them what number you got. Write it on a whiteboard somewhere then add up all the numbers. If you need to do a recount, count them again by hand. It doesn't need to be complicated.

The problem with putting computers in the process is it makes it possible to undermine the whole thing, either by mistake or with malicious intent. If you count manually, how would you do that? You'd have to **** with large numbers of individual people, which is basically impossible. Whereas a hack in the software can affect every race at once.

Or to put it another way:

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The fundamental problem with the US system is how much they use computers to do the counting/tabulation/whatever.

I've spent 20+ years working in tech and IT, and I wouldn't put computers anywhere near this process. Count the votes by hand, then ring someone and tell them what number you got. Write it on a whiteboard somewhere then add up all the numbers. If you need to do a recount, count them again by hand. It doesn't need to be complicated.

The problem with putting computers in the process is it makes it possible to undermine the whole thing, either by mistake or with malicious intent. If you count manually, how would you do that? You'd have to fu** with large numbers of individual people, which is basically impossible. Whereas a hack in the software can affect every race at once.

Or to put it another way:

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Computers are faster , but having the result faster is only for those making a media spectacle out of it.

One possible system could be ballot paper reading software, ( like an old fashioned card reader ), where you feed your ballot in, its counted by the computer, but the original ballot is still available for counting/checking.

 

[gringo2011]

Did you read my comment and watch the video I posted on page 374 which explains the bigger picture of how Trump could win (or not) ...there's a lot more to it than the petty instances you mentioned above.

Probably not, I'm a soy boy ignorant hippy that just bleats my own biased perspective without even trying to understand the other points of view. Seriously though I don't think there seems to be much evidence to suggest the Trump campaign is going to win any of the legal challenges likely to result in a recount. No triggers are being met to get recounts done so they said in one state the Trump camp would have to spend $7+ million on a recount to get it done. They won't but continue to push the idea and hope the base fire up over nothing by pretending there is doubt over the result.

 

[gringo2011]

Was first printed in 1966 and after a small initial run (1000 copies I believe) it was stopped and the printing plates were broken. It was subsequently brought back into print with a number of the more explosive revelations removed. Fortunately the original manuscript was found and the full version republished.

Essentially it is a history book - Goes from Industrial Revolution through to the Vietnam War but also introduces "the network" and their activities.

The bit that stuck with me when having a look for info, was that he said for democracies to work properly that citizens need to have the most up to date weapons available and be able to use them. That's frightening in this age. Just what you need, millions of idiots with nukes.

The round table stuff has always been thing too. I couldn't quite follow but was he saying Cecli Rhodes was a good guy? If so he was a very bad good guy. He makes lists of histories most evil men.

 

[Ceanag]

Just watch the first 3.30 mins ... It's a balanced report that tells how Trump could win but it doesn't favour either Trump or Biden.

 

[gringo2011]

Just watch the first 3.30 mins ... It's a balanced report that tells how Trump could win but it doesn't favour either Trump or Biden.

It still relies on having evidence of voter fraud to even get to the next phase. The strategy looks about right, discredit the votes of Biden then get the republican states to rule in favour of Trump keeping the presidency. The only issue is that there seems like absolutely nowhere that has enough evidence to warrant it going a step further.

 

[Ceanag]

It still relies on having evidence of voter fraud to even get to the next phase. The strategy looks about right, discredit the votes of Biden then get the republican states to rule in favour of Trump keeping the presidency. The only issue is that there seems like absolutely nowhere that has enough evidence to warrant it going a step further.

You are more than likely correct and Dershowitz states he also cannot see Trump winning .....unless ... and this is where Trumps big Hail Mary comes in .. a criminal case is proved against Dominion,Smartmatic etc .. if that happens things could get very messy.
People are already referencing Trumps 2018 executive order which covers interference in US elections by foreign entities ...and as it happens, Dominion and the associated software are not US owned.

 

[Jay Beast]

The bit that stuck with me when having a look for info, was that he said for democracies to work properly that citizens need to have the most up to date weapons available and be able to use them. That's frightening in this age. Just what you need, millions of idiots with nukes.

The round table stuff has always been thing too. I couldn't quite follow but was he saying Cecli Rhodes was a good guy? If so he was a very bad good guy. He makes lists of histories most evil men.

Carroll Quigley was a supporter of the network and their activities. It is this perspective that makes this book a very different read but any normal person would realise how utterly antithetical their actions are to democratic values. These groups are still very much in place today and have a hand in global policy. Extremely dangerous and it needs to be understood by all who is pulling the strings above the political level.
Interesting how we seem to have so many Rhodes scholars as PM huh?

 

[Stewart66]

Added bonus of dIcTAtOr dAn locking us up all winter is that the flu has nosedived to historical lows

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Meanwhile in Australia.

How shonky providers are draining the accounts of people with disabilities

The NDIS says it has zero tolerance for fraudulent disability providers, but a former investigator tells Inq that fraudulent claims are all too common.

www.crikey.com.au

 

[Jay Beast]

It still relies on having evidence of voter fraud to even get to the next phase. The strategy looks about right, discredit the votes of Biden then get the republican states to rule in favour of Trump keeping the presidency. The only issue is that there seems like absolutely nowhere that has enough evidence to warrant it going a step further.

From what I am hearing they are still assembling the brief so not all the evidence is out yet.
Think it is unlikely to go anywhere, the standard of proof and ability to prove the case will be far too hard in such a short amount of time.

 

[bergholt]

Computers are faster , but having the result faster is only for those making a media spectacle out of it.

One possible system could be ballot paper reading software, ( like an old fashioned card reader ), where you feed your ballot in, its counted by the computer, but the original ballot is still available for counting/checking.

I think they do that tabulation by computer in some places, but imo it's still way more dubious for all involved than paper-based. Because if (when) it ****s up on a large scale then even if they fix it, it gives the impression of fraud or dodginess.

Whereas paper-based, there's a limit to how much you can **** up.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The bit that stuck with me when having a look for info, was that he said for democracies to work properly that citizens need to have the most up to date weapons available and be able to use them. That's frightening in this age. Just what you need, millions of idiots with nukes.

The round table stuff has always been thing too. I couldn't quite follow but was he saying Cecli Rhodes was a good guy? If so he was a very bad good guy. He makes lists of histories most evil men.

"what the hell you doin Jethro. "
" that dog dang satellite was makin my phone glitchy maa, so i shooted it wit my laser "

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think they do that tabulation by computer in some places, but imo it's still way more dubious for all involved than paper-based. Because if (when) it fu**s up on a large scale then even if they fix it, it gives the impression of fraud or dodginess.

Whereas paper-based, there's a limit to how much you can fu** up.

What i suggested was paper based.
Just computer counted , which can be then checked by hand if there is a problem.

I've seen where they do Council elections based on data entry. Lots of people typing words and numbers into computers as fast as they can. I fail to see why card reading software wouldn't be just as reliable.

Honestly.... i can't see why computers can't keep my vote just as safely as banks keep my money.

 

[bergholt]

What i suggested was paper based.
Just computer counted , which can be then checked by hand if there is a problem.

I've seen where they do Council elections based on data entry. Lots of people typing words and numbers into computers as fast as they can. I fail to see why card reading software wouldn't be just as reliable.

Honestly.... i can't see why computers can't keep my vote just as safely as banks keep my money.

Yep, though I'm guessing you haven't worked in IT for a bank...

Basically every computer system is hackable, banks get compromised all the time, cost of doing business. You don't need to hear about it because they don't pass on the hack to the account holder, they just make it up out of their reserves.

And then they fix the vulnerability, and then hackers find a different one.

 

[gringo2011]

Yep, though I'm guessing you haven't worked in IT for a bank...

Basically every computer system is hackable, banks get compromised all the time, cost of doing business. You don't need to hear about it because they don't pass on the hack to the account holder, they just make it up out of their reserves.

And then they fix the vulnerability, and then hackers find a different one.

One of my mates does security for Google, it literally is just plugging holes all the time but you can usually easily find when and where it was hacked and usually with some certainty about the probably origin of that attack. I imagine they would have the best teams working to find any possible hack attempts and uncovering them. The US government hopefully has some serious security provided by their IT companies. They still get the world's best working there.

 

[CursingFijian]

 

[Ceanag]

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A lot of empty expensive apartments ...and office space.

 

[StCicatriz]

1700 dying a day from covid in america, but old mate Trump is more concerned over a handful of votes in an election he got soundly beaten in