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[gringo2011]

Yeah its like some sort of weird contest to see who can be more vegan the the next person.

I think some have a militant anti-animal-cruelty attitude. I know a few vegans and some are not what you'd expect. My wife has a friend she has known since she was little who is as suburban and normal as you can get, she and her husband became vegan about 3 years ago. They did it when her husband got high blood pressure and now they don't touch meat. They have been cut off from some of their friends and family because they chose to stop eating meat funny enough. They live in Lynbrook in an estate and couldn't be more white-bread otherwise.

 

[Drake Huggins]

so went and saw the talk last night ... the talk was packed there would have been close to 300 people there crammed in to see Dr Mosley ..
running a little late out comes Dr Mosley with crutches , apparently 5:2 diet doesnt help with clumsyness as he had torn his achilles tendon jogging in Sydney by misjudging the distance to the curb ...
the talk was in typical Mosley manner fast paced with him barely stopping to take a breath between comments but was really interesting concept going through the results of various clinical trials of things ...
then came the q&a ... now this is the second q&a session ive been to this year (the first being Nick Cave) and twice now there has been a pathetic attempt by the vegans to push their agenda ... i have no problem with vegans if they make the choice to live that way so be it but far our some of these hard core vegans who try to ram their agenda down your throats really really irk me !!!

so the basis of this new book by Mosley is to combine a few of his findings into a somewhat holistic approach to weight loss so what we are looking at is a rapid weight loss period of between 2- 12 weeks (depending on personal preferance) in that period that has to be a minimum 2 weeks you are to consume only 800calories each day , that rapid drop is meant to fire up the body into using fat reserves to power the body, the test he has performed on human trials found that after 8 weeks of this drastic change the % of fat in the liver is dramatically reduced and the gloucose levels for people in the pre-diabetic range is massivly improved to the point that 70% of trialed people were after 8 weeks able to be off the diabetic medication ...
after the rapid weight loss period then comes the 5:2 part so this means for two days a week you limit to 800calories the rest of the time you dont really count calories, the trick here is that during the 5 days you eat a more mediteranian type diet of oils, fish leafy greens even a glass or two of red in this period they recommend that you do the 12/12 or the 16/8 eating plan where you eat for 12 hours (or8) and then fast for 12 hours (or 16) each day .. Dr Mosley made a funny comment at that point about the person who first coined the phrase "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" - turns out it was Dr John Harvey Kellogg who mentioned it after creating Cornflakes, turns out Kellogg had this big thing about masterbation and his belief was it was evil and killing young boys (sending them blind was another of his claims) so he invented cornflakes as an anti masterbation tool - he believed that a bland diet warded off the evil in boys to masterbate .... crazy stuff ...
anyway where was i ...
so after the 5:2 portion has been done and the time frame for that is varried from person to person but once the person is in the maintenance side of it then they can go back to normal day to day eating but randomly each week chucking in a 800calorie fast day to "keep the body on its toes" ..
Great post St. Trav. All the info is spot on except the bit about masturbation. Cornflakes definitely curb the urge to pleasure oneself, with the attendant effect of improving eyesight, immeasurably.
its pretty interesting and as a person who is certainly bigger than i should be seems like something that is doable ... so im going to finish reading the book before i decide if i take on the program ...

Yeah its like some sort of weird contest to see who can be more vegan the the next person.

My daughter is a class 5 Vegan. She doesn't eat anything that casts a shadow.

 

[Brains Trust66]

Anyone interested in playing an online version of the game Diplomacy? It’s free but more importantly, great fun . Check out backstabbr.com for games currently being played , plus it has all the rules . Don’t be scared by thinking there are lots of rules , there aren’t and I think they are pretty easy to understand. Ask me if you have any questions.

Basically you need as close to 7 players as you can get . Each person takes command of a country set in Europe before ww1 . Each player begins with 3 to 5 units . There is no dice .
Before very turn you try to make deals with other players . For example , Russia might make a deal with Turkey to attack Austria . But at the same time Russia might have already decided to help Austria attack Turkey . Of course Turkey doesn’t know . It’s all about lying and getting away with it . It’s about knowing when to backstabb your ally . Do it to soon and no one will trust you again , but leave it too late and they might get you when you aren’t ready .
Anyway all rules are on the backstabbr.com site .

Anyone interested?


Don’t Panic !!

 

[VDS66]

Have a super awesome day peeps.

Just saying...

 

[Drake Huggins]

There is a game doing the rounds atm called, "Secret Hitler". In the game the players are allocated various roles as per the German National Socialist Workers' Party of the 1930's. One of the participants secretly draws Hitler as their character. Similar to "Diplomacy", the players have to work out who is who and form various alliances in order to climb to the position of Fuhrer. Staggeringly popular, I'm told, although plenty of complaints from the Jewish community, understandably. You can pick up the game on Amazon for around $50. Reviews indicate it is one of the more intriguing and exciting board games going around.

I'm currently working on my own version for this forum, called "Secret Cho". In it every player draws a character in secret and has to manipulate their way to the position of senior coach, all the while not knowing who the real Cho is. Early testing shows the player who draws Brett Ratten as their character wins every time. By round 6. Give me time, I'm trying to iron out the kinks...........or am I?"

 

[BigPowerForward]

If someone eats hummus that contains salmonella and dies as a result, is it classed as a hummuscide.
Just asking for a vegan friend

 

[Indie Rock]

Anyone interested in playing an online version of the game Diplomacy? It’s free but more importantly, great fun . Check out backstabbr.com for games currently being played , plus it has all the rules . Don’t be scared by thinking there are lots of rules , there aren’t and I think they are pretty easy to understand. Ask me if you have any questions.

Basically you need as close to 7 players as you can get . Each person takes command of a country set in Europe before ww1 . Each player begins with 3 to 5 units . There is no dice .
Before very turn you try to make deals with other players . For example , Russia might make a deal with Turkey to attack Austria . But at the same time Russia might have already decided to help Austria attack Turkey . Of course Turkey doesn’t know . It’s all about lying and getting away with it . It’s about knowing when to backstabb your ally . Do it to soon and no one will trust you again , but leave it too late and they might get you when you aren’t ready .
Anyway all rules are on the backstabbr.com site .

Anyone interested?


Don’t Panic !!

I played this once, the actual board game - were about 6 of us I think.

It was fun but we started at 6pm and by 3am we didn't look close to finishing when I decided I'd had enough.

I take it this will be played over the course of a few days (e.g. you get notified when it's your turn and you log in and play) or do folk need to be online for X number of hours to get through a game?

 

[StCicatriz]

There is a game doing the rounds atm called, "Secret Hitler". In the game the players are allocated various roles as per the German National Socialist Workers' Party of the 1930's. One of the participants secretly draws Hitler as their character. Similar to "Diplomacy", the players have to work out who is who and form various alliances in order to climb to the position of Fuhrer. Staggeringly popular, I'm told, although plenty of complaints from the Jewish community, understandably. You can pick up the game on Amazon for around $50. Reviews indicate it is one of the more intriguing and exciting board games going around.

I'm currently working on my own version for this forum, called "Secret Cho". In it every player draws a character in secret and has to manipulate their way to the position of senior coach, all the while not knowing who the real Cho is. Early testing shows the player who draws Brett Ratten as their character wins every time. By round 6. Give me time, I'm trying to iron out the kinks...........or am I?"

hahahaha

my god! i'm suing you ya prick. i just destroyed by laptop by spitting coffee all over it. funniest thing ive read on here in decades.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think some have a militant anti-animal-cruelty attitude. I know a few vegans and some are not what you'd expect. My wife has a friend she has known since she was little who is as suburban and normal as you can get, she and her husband became vegan about 3 years ago. They did it when her husband got high blood pressure and now they don't touch meat. They have been cut off from some of their friends and family because they chose to stop eating meat funny enough. They live in Lynbrook in an estate and couldn't be more white-bread otherwise.

I don't get the link between high blood pressure and "no animal products".
And plants don't necessarily prevent it.
I'm pretty sure that natural licorice ( virtually unavailable in australia ) will send blood pressure through the roof. I've never heard this of milk.

I've yet to hear of a valid medical , as opposed to philosophical reason for veganism. Its a way of life , and i find that acceptable, like buddhism, but don't try to tell me there's medical reasons. Humans evolved as Omnivores, any race of vegan apes died out long ago.
Are baby vegans allowed to eat human breast milk? If its allowed is it possible to be a cannibal vegan?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If someone eats hummus that contains salmonella and dies as a result, is it classed as a hummuscide.
Just asking for a vegan friend

Shouldn't have eaten it. Salmonella is one of gods living creatures.

 

[gringo2011]

I don't get the link between high blood pressure and "no animal products".
And plants don't necessarily prevent it.
I'm pretty sure that natural licorice ( virtually unavailable in australia ) will send blood pressure through the roof. I've never heard this of milk.

I've yet to hear of a valid medical , as opposed to philosophical reason for veganism. Its a way of life , and i find that acceptable, like buddhism, but don't try to tell me there's medical reasons. Humans evolved as Omnivores, any race of vegan apes died out long ago.
Are baby vegans allowed to eat human breast milk? If its allowed is it possible to be a cannibal vegan?

I don't know, but this guy has had his drop so much he's off medication for it. My father in law tried it for about 3 month and the same thing happened, his doctor actually said he couldn't believe the difference. He couldn't cope with out meat and went back to it and has gone back on tablets. He reckons he'd rather die than eat vegan. I'm no advocate for it, just telling you what I have seen first hand.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I don't know, but this guy has had his drop so much he's off medication for it. My father in law tried it for about 3 month and the same thing happened, his doctor actually said he couldn't believe the difference. He couldn't cope with out meat and went back to it and has gone back on tablets. He reckons he'd rather die than eat vegan. I'm no advocate for it, just telling you what I have seen first hand.

If you lose weight as a result of vegetarianism, ( ie eat lots of salad instead of lots of sausage rolls ) then it will probably drop your BP, and not pigging out on cheese is probably legit as well. If your chips are fried in vegan vegetable oil instead of non vegan vegetable oil, i'd not expect a difference.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

I don't get the link between high blood pressure and "no animal products".
And plants don't necessarily prevent it.
I'm pretty sure that natural licorice ( virtually unavailable in australia ) will send blood pressure through the roof. I've never heard this of milk.

I've yet to hear of a valid medical , as opposed to philosophical reason for veganism. Its a way of life , and i find that acceptable, like buddhism, but don't try to tell me there's medical reasons. Humans evolved as Omnivores, any race of vegan apes died out long ago.
Are baby vegans allowed to eat human breast milk? If its allowed is it possible to be a cannibal vegan?

in my travels i have met people in the far north who have grown up as pure carnivors based purely on the fact they have no ability to grow crops or veges ... their diet consists of fish , seal and deer these people have lived that way for generations so i do have issue with Vegans saying that they are wrong in the way they have existed for generations ...
as you say from a pure evolutionary perspective we are designed to consume both meat and veg.. i can get the ethical reasoning but to say meat is bad for us i think is not correct at all

 

[VDS66]

If you lose weight as a result of vegetarianism, ( ie eat lots of salad instead of lots of sausage rolls ) then it will probably drop your BP, and not pigging out on cheese is probably legit as well. If your chips are fried in vegan vegetable oil instead of non vegan vegetable oil, i'd not expect a difference.

Agree.

I reckon it's probably more the other crap they put in food that causes the BP.

Otherwise all carnivores would have high BP.

 

[VDS66]

in my travels i have met people in the far north who have grown up as pure carnivors based purely on the fact they have no ability to grow crops or veges ... their diet consists of fish , seal and deer these people have lived that way for generations so i do have issue with Vegans saying that they are wrong in the way they have existed for generations ...
as you say from a pure evolutionary perspective we are designed to consume both meat and veg.. i can get the ethical reasoning but to say meat is bad for us i think is not correct at all

Veganism is a political cause. Simple.just like people who don't wear fur

All good food in moderation is fine.

 

[VDS66]

One of the funniest things you'll ever read...

Seriously have a read.

https://wokesloth.com/anti-vaxxer-asks-for-measles-protection-advice/jessi/

 

[Brains Trust66]

I played this once, the actual board game - were about 6 of us I think.

It was fun but we started at 6pm and by 3am we didn't look close to finishing when I decided I'd had enough.

I take it this will be played over the course of a few days (e.g. you get notified when it's your turn and you log in and play) or do folk need to be online for X number of hours to get through a game?

Actually it’s different online . You get notified when the next orders are due , also when the time to be online for negotiation with other players. So you don’t have to spend lots of wasted time waiting for stuff to happen. After a turn you are told when to be online next .

Yes I remember the game could go on for ever especially if the players really got into the negotiations and backstabbing lol.
I remember playing for almost two days and we were only about half way through lol. I do remember one guy went to the toilet and we boxed him in so he couldn’t get out in time to make his moves lol .

I haven’t actually played online before so it might be interesting. Looking at the games already going I assume it can take a long time to play .


Don’t Panic !!

 

[Brains Trust66]

There is a game doing the rounds atm called, "Secret Hitler". In the game the players are allocated various roles as per the German National Socialist Workers' Party of the 1930's. One of the participants secretly draws Hitler as their character. Similar to "Diplomacy", the players have to work out who is who and form various alliances in order to climb to the position of Fuhrer. Staggeringly popular, I'm told, although plenty of complaints from the Jewish community, understandably. You can pick up the game on Amazon for around $50. Reviews indicate it is one of the more intriguing and exciting board games going around.

I'm currently working on my own version for this forum, called "Secret Cho". In it every player draws a character in secret and has to manipulate their way to the position of senior coach, all the while not knowing who the real Cho is. Early testing shows the player who draws Brett Ratten as their character wins every time. By round 6. Give me time, I'm trying to iron out the kinks...........or am I?"

Could be fun .


Don’t Panic !!

 

[gringo2011]

If you lose weight as a result of vegetarianism, ( ie eat lots of salad instead of lots of sausage rolls ) then it will probably drop your BP, and not pigging out on cheese is probably legit as well. If your chips are fried in vegan vegetable oil instead of non vegan vegetable oil, i'd not expect a difference.

My father in law eats a Mediterranean diet already and all he did was stop eating the red meat and replace it with like beans and pulses, he's not a big dairy eater. He doesn't eat out much and most food he eats is healthy. It must be something in the meat IMO. I'm no dietician though but I'm sure someone has studied it. I found one article but I'm working so haven't got time to analyse it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466938/

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Veganism is a political cause. Simple.just like people who don't wear fur

All good food in moderation is fine.

problem is moderation is a sliding scale … for one person a coke and chips a day is moderation to another a coke and chips a month is moderation

 

[Yawkey way]

My father in law eats a Mediterranean diet already and all he did was stop eating the red meat and replace it with like beans and pulses, he's not a big dairy eater. He doesn't eat out much and most food he eats is healthy. It must be something in the meat IMO. I'm no dietician though but I'm sure someone has studied it. I found one article but I'm working so haven't got time to analyse it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466938/

This is a really interesting but complicated subject, different people respond completely differently to the same diet and exercise program.

 

[VDS66]

problem is moderation is a sliding scale … for one person a coke and chips a day is moderation to another a coke and chips a month is moderation

Agree.

I'm not doctor but I'd be looking to cut sugar 1000 times before cutting out meat when it comes to diet.

Thing with red meat is it takes ages to digest and burns a lot of energy doing so.

That's why i drink half a bottle of red with every steak to aid digestion.

 

[VDS66]

My father in law eats a Mediterranean diet already and all he did was stop eating the red meat and replace it with like beans and pulses, he's not a big dairy eater. He doesn't eat out much and most food he eats is healthy. It must be something in the meat IMO. I'm no dietician though but I'm sure someone has studied it. I found one article but I'm working so haven't got time to analyse it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466938/

I recall reading years ago that the wogs seldom ate meat due to poverty. Then when they migrated here, meat was cheap and abundant so they drastically changed their diet causingvall sorts of problems and increases in cancer and heart attacks.

Processed meats and smallgoods are a real danger.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Agree.

I'm not doctor but I'd be looking to cut sugar 1000 times before cutting out meat when it comes to diet.

Thing with red meat is it takes ages to digest and burns a lot of energy doing so.

That's why i drink half a bottle of red with every steak to aid digestion.

same … the other half I drink for the antioxidants

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

I recall reading years ago that the wogs seldom ate meat due to poverty. Then when they migrated here, meat was cheap and abundant so they drastically changed their diet causingvall sorts of problems and increases in cancer and heart attacks.

Processed meats and smallgoods are a real danger.

I think the high sodium levels are the main issue there … meat in its pure form is not bad for you but the processes used to cure it and preserve it is not really good for you though …