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[gringo2011]

karaoke for mod

Didn't hashtag it, now it can never be a thing.

 

[Sir Skid]

Didn't hashtag it, now it can never be a thing.

#karaoke4mod

Has a nice ring to it

 

[karaoke]

#karaoke4mod

Has a nice ring to it

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

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But Yes is so much more fun than no.

 

[StFly]

Yeah, it's pretty hard to judge the value of a life just because the parents are 17 year old ice addicts. Doesn't mean the kid won't grow up to cure cancer. The kid is starting a fair way back in the race but why does someone else have the right to stop the parents? A rich person doesn't want to have kids because it takes an income out for a year and sets them up for $30,000 a year in school fees and the rest.

Because the parents gave no consideration or hold no urgency/ability to give that child that chance in that example, as they are ice addicts and the act to birth the child is more for their personal gratification and less for actually creating a life.

It's not that the kid is starting a fair way back, it is the kid won't have a choice to be a kid, as they will have to fight to escape those sorts of situations as the environment will act against it and it will be largely up them if they escape the primordial ooze of not replicating what it grows to understand and knows during its formative years.

If you give choice in the matter, that family emulates China and nopes out of there to do something else and yo have the discussion again maybe 5 years down the track.

 

[Sir Skid]

But Yes is so much more fun than no.

I want karaoke to say YES and have what Meg's having!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The baby bonus has to be one of the more cynical and irresponsible decisions made by the Howard Government. I still can’t believe that he wasn’t torn apart for that one.
Having said that, this subject is incredibly fraught. Before you know it, you can find yourself in close proximity to the sort of arguments presented by the Hitlers of this world. Einstein and Hawking are just two examples of people unlikely to make the cut of selective population control.
Much easier to keep the focus on total numbers. We are seeing dramatic falls in birth rates around the world, as medical and health services improve in poorer countries. Like many human responses to problems, it’s a double edged sword.

Not quite sure what you mean regarding Einstein and Hawking, in context with the discussion.

It seems ridiculous to me that the costs of having and raising children should be subsidised by general taxpayers.
The whole childcare debate reads like "nooo we have to have 3 highly qualified people looking after every 10 kids ....oh why does it cost so much...the government should pay for it "

 

[Joffaboy]

I'd start in WA

Always said we should let WA succeed, declare war on them, invade, take their raw materials, turn the population into slaves, dissolve WCE and Freo, and give the Saints the best 12 players.

Sounds plausible to me.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Always said we should let WA succeed, declare war on them, invade, take their raw materials, turn the population into slaves, dissolve WCE and Freo, and give the Saints the best 12 players.

Sounds plausible to me.

Always said we should let WA succeed, declare war on them, invade, take their raw materials, turn the population into slaves, dissolve WCE and Freo, and give the Saints the best 12 players.

Sounds plausible to me.

Close the Mrs Mac Factory , make em eat 4N20.
Maybe keep the Swan and Matilda Bay Brewery's.

 

[Drake Huggins]

That is truly amazing doc where did you find it.

I don’t know which one is scarier but I’m going with the arm thrusting glazed eye “ that’s true” one. I haven’t seen anyone as nutty as that since the woman who claimed to be living off the suns energy, then broke down in tears about the killing of lobsters.

Absolute gold.

Remember the "breathairian" movement? It asserted you could live from just breathing. One of their devotees was found dead and decomposing in her tent in the Scottish highlands, her skeletal remains a testament to the effectiveness of the regime.

 

[Drake Huggins]

Always said we should let WA succeed, declare war on them, invade, take their raw materials, turn the population into slaves, dissolve WCE and Freo, and give the Saints the best 12 players.

Sounds plausible to me.

Go on. You've got me interested. It appeals to my Teutonic heritage. Tell us more of this plan of yours, Herr Joffaboy............

 

[TheEnsign]

Go on. You've got me interested. It appeals to my Teutonic heritage. Tell us more of this plan of yours, Herr Joffaboy............

Lebensraum for St Kilda player development!

 

[St Muir]

Not quite sure what you mean regarding Einstein and Hawking, in context with the discussion.

It seems ridiculous to me that the costs of having and raising children should be subsidised by general taxpayers.
The whole childcare debate reads like "nooo we have to have 3 highly qualified people looking after every 10 kids ....oh why does it cost so much...the government should pay for it "

I can't be bothered going back over every post on this issue but the point was made that a high earning, successful person was breeding to off-set the great unwashed (my interpretation). Another post was about human evolution being held back because medical advances meant people falling short of some standard set by ??? was holding humanity back. I just quoted those two as examples of who might otherwise have been considered as falling short of those ideals, that have actually made huge contributions to humanity. If you can't join the dots, I'm cool with that.[/QUOTE]

 

[Drake Huggins]

Lebensraum for St Kilda player development!

Would you be available for a commission in die Marine or U-Boats, The Ensign? Seems you'd qualify on RPL alone.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I can't be bothered going back over every post on this issue but the point was made that a high earning, successful person was breeding to off-set the great unwashed (my interpretation). Another post was about human evolution being held back because medical advances meant people falling short of some standard set by ??? was holding humanity back. I just quoted those two as examples of who might otherwise have been considered as falling short of those ideals, that have actually made huge contributions to humanity. If you can't join the dots, I'm cool with that.

[/QUOTE]

It was more to do with the likes of Kylie Jenner being more likely to breed than either of those two i guess. Perky breasts being more of a guarantee that you get to breed than intelligence.
When evolution is strong, it means that those with traits for survival are more likely to survive and pass on those traits.
For example , if cavemen needed fruit from tree's, being tall would be a survival trait.

With modern technology , physical attributes, and to a lesser extent , genetic diseases, have less impact on someones life, and certainly don't prevent them breeding. ( its often controversial when couples with known genetic disorders want to have children ).
My point was that we are unlikely to evolve into anything different within the current framework.
As Gringo sort of pointed out, if some people recognised overpopulation as an issue, and didn't breed, they simply get out bred.

Ironically both Hawking and Einstein had reasonably normal childhoods and each had three children.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Anyone who needs Australian Standards.
Most of them are AS/NZ Standards.

While browsing the monopolistic international document retail site , i noticed that an SNZ version of a document was significantly cheaper than some other versions.
Trying to buy that version, the retailer had a note pop up , will not supply to Australia.
(( this particular standard is the same no matter whether its ISO AS/NS or BS or any other English speaking country ))

BUT ::
Standards New Zealand sell their own documents without a middle man, and it was half price, saved $100.
I'm happy about this.
But i'm not happy that some glorified webshop makes stupid money for emailing a copy of a pdf file.

The reason? From Wikipedia.

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In 2003 Standards Australia sold its commercial businesses to SAI Global Limited and SAI Global Ltd was floated on the Australian Stock Exchange.

The standard costs an average of $120, and after negotiations broke down with National and State Libraries Australasia, the standards were removed from public libraries. As a result, many groups including the Building Products Innovation Council, Master Builders Association, an Australian Senate Economics Reference Committee and Choice have called for the standard to be brought back into government control and made freely accessible[4][5].

Heated discussions continue throughout the industry as many believe that a national standard should be provided free of charge to the relevant members of that industry. Imminent release of the new AS/NZS 3000:2018 Electrical Installations standard has sparked a renewed campaign to see this actioned by Standards Australia. The publishing agreement currently held by SAI Global is due to expire in 2018 causing increased pressure to liberate the standards.

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( no idea what happened when the publishing agreement expired , i guess some bureaucrat signed an extension ).
I urge everyone to buy AS/NZ Standards from New Zealand.

 

[St Muir]

It was more to do with the likes of Kylie Jenner being more likely to breed than either of those two i guess. Perky breasts being more of a guarantee that you get to breed than intelligence.
When evolution is strong, it means that those with traits for survival are more likely to survive and pass on those traits.
For example , if cavemen needed fruit from tree's, being tall would be a survival trait.

With modern technology , physical attributes, and to a lesser extent , genetic diseases, have less impact on someones life, and certainly don't prevent them breeding. ( its often controversial when couples with known genetic disorders want to have children ).
My point was that we are unlikely to evolve into anything different within the current framework.
As Gringo sort of pointed out, if some people recognised overpopulation as an issue, and didn't breed, they simply get out bred.

Ironically both Hawking and Einstein had reasonably normal childhoods and each had three children.[/QUOTE]
Hawking has profound physical disabilities, Einstein autism. For some reason I get a visual of a group of blue eyed, blond youth, immaculately dressed, coldly smiling in a group photo, when discussion goes down this path (not your post in particular).
I really think the humanity capacity to work together and support the group gets underrated when we talk about human dominance and evolution. Let’s face it the biggest, fastest, strongest, smartest individual was never going to win out against some of the bigger creatures that have roamed this planet, if working alone.

 

[Joffaboy]

Go on. You've got me interested. It appeals to my Teutonic heritage. Tell us more of this plan of yours, Herr Joffaboy............

Floated this on a bus full of Australians in Europe last year, all were in favour except for the 4 WA's.
None were too keen on the 12 players to the Saints, but all loved turning them into slaves. [emoji106]

 

[St Muir]

Report on ABC news last night about services hitting the wall due to poor funding levels, particularly 1:1 support.
This a very real issue. The service I run is now losing $30,000 a month. We have been a very successful service over the years getting great outcomes in building life skills and moving people into jobs and saving the tax payer money.
The only option I have is to replace long standing, skilled staff with people just starting work in the sector, nearly all our budget is wages.
It’s been a great scam for the Government. Announce billions of dollars in funding, ensure the rates for services are kept at an artificially low rate to deter new entrants and prevent existing from growing. Save billions and everyone’s a winner....except for the poor bastard that has all this money to help them but can’t find a service.

 

[Yawkey way]

Report on ABC news last night about services hitting the wall due to poor funding levels, particularly 1:1 support.
This a very real issue. The service I run is now losing $30,000 a month. We have been a very successful service over the years getting great outcomes in building life skills and moving people into jobs and saving the tax payer money.
The only option I have is to replace long standing, skilled staff with people just starting work in the sector, nearly all our budget is wages.
It’s been a great scam for the Government. Announce billions of dollars in funding, ensure the rates for services are kept at an artificially low rate to deter new entrants and prevent existing from growing. Save billions and everyone’s a winner....except for the poor bastard that has all this money to help them but can’t find a service.

What was the report on ? I can’t seem to find it.

 

[Drake Huggins]

Floated this on a bus full of Australians in Europe last year, all were in favour except for the 4 WA's.
None were too keen on the 12 players to the Saints, but all loved turning them into slaves. [emoji106]

You show a great potential for politics. To form the idea is one thing. To be able to sell it is another. The Joffaboy Justice Party has a ring to it. Look out Canberra!

 

[Drake Huggins]

It was more to do with the likes of Kylie Jenner being more likely to breed than either of those two i guess. Perky breasts being more of a guarantee that you get to breed than intelligence.
When evolution is strong, it means that those with traits for survival are more likely to survive and pass on those traits.
For example , if cavemen needed fruit from tree's, being tall would be a survival trait.

With modern technology , physical attributes, and to a lesser extent , genetic diseases, have less impact on someones life, and certainly don't prevent them breeding. ( its often controversial when couples with known genetic disorders want to have children ).
My point was that we are unlikely to evolve into anything different within the current framework.
As Gringo sort of pointed out, if some people recognised overpopulation as an issue, and didn't breed, they simply get out bred.

Ironically both Hawking and Einstein had reasonably normal childhoods and each had three children.

Hawking has profound physical disabilities, Einstein autism. For some reason I get a visual of a group of blue eyed, blond youth, immaculately dressed, coldly smiling in a group photo, when discussion goes down this path (not your post in particular).
I really think the humanity capacity to work together and support the group gets underrated when we talk about human dominance and evolution. Let’s face it the biggest, fastest, strongest, smartest individual was never going to win out against some of the bigger creatures that have roamed this planet, if working alone.[/QUOTE]

The evolution of our neo cortex and frontal lobe brought with it superior reasoning and strategising abilities. It made us the most adaptable animal in almost any environment and thus allowed us to thrive and ultimately dominate the planet.

It is not about survival of the fittest, but survival of the most adaptable. Evolutionary jumps such as walking upright and the use of fine motor skills through features like opposable thumbs caused the brain to grow in capacity and become more complex. Don't tell the vegans, but ingesting protein rich meat was critical in this process as well. The ability to use fire as a cooking method allowed for easier digestion and greater ingestion.

The whole process created a loop that continues today. The more challenges we face and overcome the more complex our brains become. We therefore have greater capacity to solve the next problem and so on.

This lead to huge leaps in evolution such as the acquisition of language, abstract reasoning and an ability to plan for the future. Social structures and the ability to co operate in large numbers further fuelled the process.

Our basic physiology rewards pro social behaviour and Co operation through hormonal loops that provide physical pleasure to encourage such behaviours. Oxcytocin, the love hormone, sometimes and our natural opiates flood our systems when we relate positively to others.

The opposite is also the case. Stress hormones such as adrenaline and cortisol damage our DNA and cause premature aging if they stay in the system for too long. It doesn't pay to stay angry.

So it seems we are designed to Co operate, get along and be good to each other. Fotumites take note!
You can read more about this in Carl Sagan's groundbreaking book, "The Dragons of Eden", which is about the evolution of consciousness and the attendant benefits of higher reasoning.

Or you may want to wait a couple of months for my book on the subject of the physical and psychological benefits of pro social behaviour, titled "It's Good To be Good". Your choice.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You show a great potential for politics. To form the idea is one thing. To be able to sell it is another. The Joffaboy Justice Party has a ring to it. Look out Canberra!

Call it the WA First party. The folks out west will vote for it without reading the fine print.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Hawking has profound physical disabilities, Einstein autism. For some reason I get a visual of a group of blue eyed, blond youth, immaculately dressed, coldly smiling in a group photo, when discussion goes down this path (not your post in particular).
I really think the humanity capacity to work together and support the group gets underrated when we talk about human dominance and evolution. Let’s face it the biggest, fastest, strongest, smartest individual was never going to win out against some of the bigger creatures that have roamed this planet, if working alone.

.[/QUOTE]

Hawking is dead, so yeah, his physical difficulties are hard to overcome.
Any disabilities he had didn't manifest until he was in his early twenties though.
He may have suffered from being a "nerd" when younger , but in University, nerds tend to go up the social ladder a bit.
Yes he had the same physical disabilities as my late uncle and Neil Daniher, managing to be one of the longest ( if not the longest ) survivors of motor neuron disease. All of them had healthy children.
I still fail to see the relevance , we weren't talking about creating a Hitler youth, we weren't discussing debilitating diseases.

Some people suspect that Einstein had autism, but there is certainly not enough evidence to hold it up as an example.

The point was that with advanced technology particularly in medicine. Survival traits are not necessary.
We don't need intelligence to survive, we look after stupid people.
If people in a particular group suddenly didn't have opposable thumbs , they would still get through ok. We can even help people with missing limbs and organs live productive lives.
Quite simply , evolution for humans may not be focusing on survival traits as much as likelyhood of having more children..

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321942.php

 

[St Muir]

What was the report on ? I can’t seem to find it.

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/abc-news-qld
Sorry mate, just noticed it was Qld. It's 16 minutes in. Unfortunately I can't get this as a link you can click on.