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[CursingFijian]

Much preferable situation, wait for congress to piss off, order a drone strike on foreign soil where people generally hate you, kill a couple people, state they're terrorists whilst bringing terror yourself.

Putting the moron in oxymoron.

From the King of Projection

 

[pebblesofsand]

Well its confirmed - Morrison and his staff are totally incompetent.

He had the chance to show some leadership and announce that he will not go to India as planned on the 14th Jan because of the crisis at home. Get some credits after the Hawaii trip and the disasters of the last couple of days but what happens?

They stuff it up and it leaks out through the Indian Press first before he can announce it.

PM Narendra Modi calls Australian PM; expresses condolences on damage to life, property due to bush fires | India News - Times of India

India News: NEW DELHI: Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday had a telephonic conversation with his Australian counterpart Scott Morrison and expressed heartfelt.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

"Morrison called off his four-day visit to India from January due to the devastating bush fires in several parts of his country diplomatic sources said on Friday"

Pity Morrison forgot to inform us.

 

[Drake Huggins]

This is literally the most boomer thing I've ever read. Just so you know this is going on straight to the poolroom. I'm framing this post because it is so gloriously boomer.

I'm not a boomer, doomer. The facts don't interest you. I'm a gen Xer. Yep hang it in the pool room. Read it every day. One day, in the very distant future when you have experienced something of life and have learned to think for yourself, it'll dawn on you. That Drake guy had a point. For the being, keep looking down at your screen and lap up the bs you are fed by your fellow virtue signallers.

I genuinely feel pity for you. You seem to be a nice fellow. Pity you've been so thoroughly brainwashed. You can thank me in several decades, when you become a boomer type doomer and young people will hang shit on you for destroying their lives. It goes in cycles, Crusty. Even Aristotle identified the phenomenon thousands of years ago. Enjoy your scary world. Only ten years left.

 

[MUFKilda]

Idiot ... I am too foolish to read the site rules, that's who. Down near Bairnsdale, trying to help people who have been doomed by the stupidity of the Greens and their ... I am too foolish to read the site rules mates. What are you doing to help. Nothing as usual for your generation. As per usual. OK doomer.

Why do you blame the current disaster on '... I am too foolish to read the site rules'?

On the wider issue of climate change, I read that Australia still generates 75 per cent of its power from coal and is the largest coal exporter in the world. Is there a plan in place to change this?

 

[Drake Huggins]

I'm starting to get the feeling you don't like us Brits

No. I don't like your arrogance. It is stunning and quite offensive. Don't forget I married a Brit and enjoyed many happy years with her and her family. Great people.

What I don't like is the arrogance and laughable rewriting of history. It's understandable, given the truth. Ask any Indian, African, Aborigine etc. They're not fans of the empire, either. In fact, apart from yourselves, I don't think anyone's a fan. Not a fan of your masters and the inbred twits, the Royal leeches. I'm sure you're quite a decent chap.

 

[MUFKilda]

No. I don't like your arrogance. It is stunning and quite offensive. Don't forget I married a Brit and enjoyed many happy years with her and her family. Great people.

What I don't like is the arrogance and laughable rewriting of history. It's understandable, given the truth. Ask any Indian, African, Aborigine etc. They're not fans of the empire, either. In fact, apart from yourselves, I don't think anyone's a fan. Not a fan of your masters and the inbred twits, the Royal leeches. I'm sure you're quite a decent chap.

I've never mentioned the Empire, of which I'm no fan at all as a '... I am too foolish to read the site rules'....

And Australia's history is hardly perfect, if we are throwing stones: the disgraceful treatment and racism towards the indigenous people; the whites only immigration policy....

 

[Drake Huggins]

Why do you blame the current disaster on '... I am too foolish to read the site rules'?

On the wider issue of climate change, I read that Australia still generates 75 per cent of its power from coal and is the largest coal exporter in the world. Is there a plan in place to change this?

Meeting all our targets for carbon reduction. As are the yanks. Unlike India and China. So we appear to be playing by the rules as they stand. Research and development of renewable is galloping ahead.

Check investments, both government and private if you need encouragement. Along with AI, it is a burgeoning sector. The "greenstocks". Germany will have 85% renewable energy use by 2025. The price for this? Greater cost, but the public there accept this fact and are happy to cough up.

In this society, energy prices are a politically sensitive issue, which can easily swing an election at both state and federal levels. Truth be told, most people want clean energy. The sad fact is most don't want to pay more, which is what it will take in the short term at least. As Paul Keating said, "In a race always back self interest. At least you know it's trying."

It is said Americans show their patriotism by sticking a US flag on their front lawn. Germans show their patriotism by voting for higher taxes, so all members of their society get access to necessary services.

Clean energy will happen. It has to. There are powerful vested interests working against this, but they'll eventually get on board when the tipping point is reached and there'll be more money in clean energy than fossil fuels. So we wait. And hope.

 

[Drake Huggins]

I've never mentioned the Empire, of which I'm no fan at all as a '... I am too foolish to read the site rules'....

And Australia's history is hardly perfect, if we are throwing stones: the disgraceful treatment and racism towards the indigenous people; the whites only immigration policy....

And who was responsible for that, MUFKilda? Right up to the 60's much of our official policies toward aboriginal people was driven from GB. The early wars were waged by the British military, and migrants from GB. I think we are in furious agreement that our respective cultures have much to be ashamed of.

Must be off. Things are pretty grim here in Gippsland. It looks like we're in for a bad day. Fingers crossed. State of disaster declared in Victoria. I've not seen anything like this. Many people are pouring into the relief centres. Some have lost everything. Some just hope there'll be something to return to.

 

[MUFKilda]

Meeting all our targets for carbon reduction. As are the yanks. Unlike India and China. So we appear to be playing by the rules as they stand. Research and development of renewable is galloping ahead.

Check investments, both government and private if you need encouragement. Along with AI, it is a burgeoning sector. The "greenstocks". Germany will have 85% renewable energy use by 2025. The price for this? Greater cost, but the public there accept this fact and are happy to cough up.

In this society, energy prices are a politically sensitive issue, which can easily swing an election at both state and federal levels. Truth be told, most people want clean energy. The sad fact is most don't want to pay more, which is what it will take in the short term at least. As Paul Keating said, "In a race always back self interest. At least you know it's trying."

It is said Americans show their patriotism by sticking a US flag on their front lawn. Germans show their patriotism by voting for higher taxes, so all members of their society get access to necessary services.

Clean energy will happen. It has to. There are powerful vested interests working against this, but they'll eventually get on board when the tipping point is reached and there'll be more money in clean energy than fossil fuels. So we wait. And hope.

I believe the cost issue is what lies behind the madness of climate change denial, much of it funded by billionaire polluters such as the Kochs in America and the Republican politicians they fund. The U.S. Republican Party is the only major political party in the world which denies man made climate change is happening. The climate change deniers try to create uncertainty, when the scientific consensus is overwhelming. It's entirely dishonest; they are too embarrassed to say they don't care about the problem because it may be expensive to tackle, so instead try to create doubt about the science. Money, not science, is driving climate change denial.

 

[MUFKilda]

And who was responsible for that, MUFKilda? Right up to the 60's much of our official policies toward aboriginal people was driven from GB. The early wars were waged by the British military, and migrants from GB. I think we are in furious agreement that our respective cultures have much to be ashamed of.

Must be off. Things are pretty grim here in Gippsland. It looks like we're in for a bad day. Fingers crossed. State of disaster declared in Victoria. I've not seen anything like this. Many people are pouring into the relief centres. Some have lost everything. Some just hope there'll be something to return to.

Stay safe, and best wishes to all those helping, and of course the victims.

 

[Stewart66]

And a paramilitary guy as well, because another US guy got killed in Iraq and the embassy was picketed, a tit for tat if you will.

The hilarious thing is that if this was third grade we'd laugh at the kiddies, instead, we have twats looking to piss on the middle east some more than they already are and the USa stating how big their e-peen is.

His shares in Halliburton went up...

 

[Kildonan]

Some links people might be interested in on change.org

Provide Adequate and Practical Respiratory Protection for Firefighters Immediately

Australian Fires: Time to declare a national emergency

Stop the Religious Discrimination Bill: the Coalition's "Handmaid's Tale"

Calling on the Governor General to dissolve the house.

Stop the prosecution of ATO whistleblower Richard Boyle

Hillsong Church is trying to proselytise their religion in Australian Schools. We say NO

 

[Drake Huggins]

Some links people might be interested in on change.org

Provide Adequate and Practical Respiratory Protection for Firefighters Immediately

Australian Fires: Time to declare a national emergency

Stop the Religious Discrimination Bill: the Coalition's "Handmaid's Tale"

Calling on the Governor General to dissolve the house.

Stop the prosecution of ATO whistleblower Richard Boyle

Hillsong Church is trying to proselytise their religion in Australian Schools. We say NO

Have to agree with most of that Kildonan. Especially the Hillsong bit. My daughter is engaged to a "church" member. The change in her over the time she's known him is disturbing. Things are crook down here. I have a holiday shack in Paynesville and we're safe for now, although when the sky goes as black as night at 10 am it is worrisome.

At least it's not my family home under threat. Thank goodness my Ponderosa is is in Highett. I have relatively little to lose. Some down this way have lost everything. 28 still missing and unaccounted for. I fear they are most probably dead.

The anger amongst the locals is palpable. I've nicknamed Slomo as Nero. Fiddles while the country burns. As for those idiot greens that protested and chained themselves to trees to prevent burnoffs, I fear for their safety. Back in March it was. Fortunately, they've stayed away. Typical, when the work is there to be done, they're nowhere to be see.

Maybe they are amongst us and are too ashamed to admit who they are.

Yours Sincerely
Furious of Paynesville.

 

[Drake Huggins]

I believe the cost issue is what lies behind the madness of climate change denial, much of it funded by billionaire polluters such as the Kochs in America and the Republican politicians they fund. The U.S. Republican Party is the only major political party in the world which denies man made climate change is happening. The climate change deniers try to create uncertainty, when the scientific consensus is overwhelming. It's entirely dishonest; they are too embarrassed to say they don't care about the problem because it may be expensive to tackle, so instead try to create doubt about the science. Money, not science, is driving climate change denial.

Money drives everything. Even the desire to repair the planet. If someone isn't getting a cut, or making a quid it seems to get deprioritised.

As I said, powerful interests control the outcomes. When it becomes profitable, after they've sucked every last cent out of fossil fuels, we'll see the necessary changes made.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Please take the time to hear from this very intelligent, expierenced and well qualified man (an OAM) on the issue:

Scientist David Packham on what’s really causing the bushfires – Volunteer Fire Fighters Association

volunteerfirefighters.org.au

Plus this guy warned us several times in the past. Thanks to the green lunacy, they never listened or got the job done in time. Just one article from 5 years ago:

Bushfire scientist David Packham warns of huge blaze threat, urges increase in fuel reduction burns

Forest fuel levels have climbed over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned.

www.google.com

TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN AND READ. IT MIGHT PUT THE GLOBAL WARMING HYSTERIA SURROUNDING THE BUSHFIRES TO BED FOR SOME...BUT I DOUBT IT.

 

[Drake Huggins]

From the King of Projection

I had to laugh. Trümpfie just told us that America killed Major General Qassem Suleimani, to prevent a war, not start one. Suleimani was one of the most popular leaders, not only in Iran, but the entire region. When I worked in Iran, his dial was on the TV almost every day. The people loved him. A celebrity, if you like. The Shiites saw him as a saviour and uniter. Trümpfie just shot Bambi's mum.

Iran will be a formidable opponent. Well armed, technologically advanced and fighting on its home ground. Erbuz mountains to the north. Turkey and Russia beyond that. Afghanistan to the east. Rugged inhospitable coastline. Good luck Uncle Sam. You're gonna need it.

 

[Crusty Undies]

I'm not a boomer, doomer. The facts don't interest you. I'm a gen Xer. Yep hang it in the pool room. Read it every day. One day, in the very distant future when you have experienced something of life and have learned to think for yourself, it'll dawn on you. That Drake guy had a point. For the being, keep looking down at your screen and lap up the bs you are fed by your fellow virtue signallers.

I genuinely feel pity for you. You seem to be a nice fellow. Pity you've been so thoroughly brainwashed. You can thank me in several decades, when you become a boomer type doomer and young people will hang shit on you for destroying their lives. It goes in cycles, Crusty. Even Aristotle identified the phenomenon thousands of years ago. Enjoy your scary world. Only ten years left.

Well first of all, as I've previously said boomer is a mindset and you fit the bill. And I don't think I will Drake. You see, everything I believe I've actually researched. Let's first consider the assumptions you've made about me, firstly you assume that because I'm left wing I'm a male feminist, wrong. Second you believe that because I'm left wing I support the oversexualisation of anything, but apparently particularly gay people, which I don't. You seem to believe that I only started believing in climate change on the insistence of a 16 year old child in the last year, which is also wrong, the thousands of research articles with a 99.6% consensus did the job for me well before Greta came along, you seem to have conflated every idea you don't like with "leftism" and then claim that every single person with a belief slightly left of you is a ... I am too foolish to read the site rules who holds an identical set of beliefs to everyone else.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0270467617707079?journalCode=bsta

Now onto your beliefs about society. It seems you think "Greenies" are to blame for the recent bushfires. You state backburning and "chaining themselves to trees" as the reason that hundreds of thousands of hectares of potentially flammable land wasn't addressed. This is entirely incorrect. First of all, as I said earlier, what you are referring to is called a hazard reduction burn. These are only viable in the cold months as there is too great a risk of starting an uncontrolled fire with HR burns later than August. Second, HR burns are still dangerous as the potential for smoke inhalation of the population near or in major cities even with controlled fires is significant. Thirdly, the Greens have never stepped in the way of HR burns or any of the variety of other hazard reduction methods, you can read this in a number of articles ranging from parliamentary dictations to newspaper articles from companies not owned by Murdoch which admittedly is pretty scarce or even on the Greens page themselves where they explicitly state that they aren't against any of that. What they were against, was the complete disregard for the life of flora and fauna that have or are going extinct. The roughly 1800 species that governments didn't give a single shit about. Furthermore, most hazard reduction methods don't even involve lighting fires. They involve land clearance and creating lines across which fires can't spread but I'm sure you know all this since you're a volunteer.

Factcheck: Is there really a green conspiracy to stop bushfire hazard reduction?

Firefighters are trying to contain dozens of fires across two states, but a familiar blame game has already begun

www.theguardian.com

Bushfires, Hazard Reduction and Backburning | Australian Greens

The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burns (including back-burning) to reduce the impact of wildfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise.

greens.org.au

Experts attack claim The Greens to blame for bushfires

Planned burning is an effective way of reducing bushfire disasters, like those seen in southern Queensland and northern NSW, but there are growing challenges in getting it done.

www.news.com.au

Again for what feels like the hundredth time, these bushfires aren't as catastrophic as they are because a couple of nutcases chained themselves to a tree, it's a result of the fact that Australia is hotter and dryer than at any other point in human history, which is a result of rapid climate change. This is pretty significantly increased by the fact that the NSW liberal government made cuts of roughly 80% to hazard reduction services and other significant cuts to emergency services as well as the federal governments $15 million cut to aerial firefighting and other national fire related services, of which he so generously gave $11 million back after significant pressure. You would have noticed, I'm sure, that the fires were and are much worse in NSW than anywhere else in the country and we have the koala killer herself Gladys Berijiklian to thank for that.

Gladys Berejiklian slashes fire service budgets while NSW burns

It is notable that the NSW State Government has recently cut its fire services, writes Tarric Brooker.

independentaustralia.net

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Australia's national parks are reaching an environmental tipping point, rangers warn

Former rangers, traditional owners and conservationists say Australia's national parks are reaching an environmental tipping point, with funding cuts at both a state and federal level leaving them in poor condition.

www.abc.net.au

Drought and climate change were the kindling, and now the east coast is ablaze

They escaped to the coast for the quiet life, but now sea-changers are in the path of monster fires.

theconversation.com

Australia bushfires factcheck: are this year's fires unprecedented?

Conservative commentators have pointed to a long history of bushfires to suggest there is nothing unusual about this season. Experts disagree

www.theguardian.com

Morrison cut funding and ignored fire chiefs before NSW blaze

Morrison offered 'thoughts and prayers' to the victims of bushfires, but he also cut funding and ignored the concerns of fire chiefs prior to the blaze.

www.thebigsmoke.com.au

The facts about bushfires and climate change | Climate Council

The catastrophic bushfires across NSW and Queensland are not normal. Climate change is making these bushfire threats worse. Take a look at the facts to decide for yourself.

www.climatecouncil.org.au

404 - Page not found - CSIRO

www.csiro.au

As you can see I have ample references for everything I post on here, if there are more you would like about anything else I believe I would be more than happy to link them to you. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that up until now you were uninformed. Anything like this you post in future though I have to assume you are lying because I have now given you more evidence than I've seen anyone in Australia spilling the same rhetoric as you produce.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Death of a Salesman

(personally I take umbrage at Barry Cassidy's insuation the Scott Morrison was ever a "leader")

“You are watching the destruction of a political leader,” the former Hawke government press secretary, Barrie Cassidy, said after watching the prime minister, Scott Morrison, in the bushfire devastated NSW town of Cobargo.

Leaders are often heckled. In the partisan business of politics, plenty of handshakes have been refused.

To experts in public relations, Morrison’s dramatic visit to the bushfire-ravaged village of Cobargo felt like something else – the political death of a salesman, a snowballing of anger at the way Morrison has dodged, dismissed and downplayed the unprecedented natural disaster.

“Those images would be devastating for a leader of any political persuasion,” says David Marshall, the former head of Canberra Tourism and Events and a communications strategist who wrote a PhD thesis on the Howard government’s media management.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/04/death-of-the-salesman-how-scott-morrisons-pr-nous-deserted-him-in-the-bushfires

 

[pebblesofsand]

Well first of all, as I've previously said boomer is a mindset and you fit the bill. And I don't think I will Drake. You see, everything I believe I've actually researched. Let's first consider the assumptions you've made about me, firstly you assume that because I'm left wing I'm a male feminist, wrong. Second you believe that because I'm left wing I support the oversexualisation of anything, but apparently particularly gay people, which I don't. You seem to believe that I only started believing in climate change on the insistence of a 16 year old child in the last year, which is also wrong, the thousands of research articles with a 99.6% consensus did the job for me well before Greta came along, you seem to have conflated every idea you don't like with "leftism" and then claim that every single person with a belief slightly left of you is a ... I am too foolish to read the site rules who holds an identical set of beliefs to everyone else.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0270467617707079?journalCode=bsta

Now onto your beliefs about society. It seems you think "Greenies" are to blame for the recent bushfires. You state backburning and "chaining themselves to trees" as the reason that hundreds of thousands of hectares of potentially flammable land wasn't addressed. This is entirely incorrect. First of all, as I said earlier, what you are referring to is called a hazard reduction burn. These are only viable in the cold months as there is too great a risk of starting an uncontrolled fire with HR burns later than August. Second, HR burns are still dangerous as the potential for smoke inhalation of the population near or in major cities even with controlled fires is significant. Thirdly, the Greens have never stepped in the way of HR burns or any of the variety of other hazard reduction methods, you can read this in a number of articles ranging from parliamentary dictations to newspaper articles from companies not owned by Murdoch which admittedly is pretty scarce or even on the Greens page themselves where they explicitly state that they aren't against any of that. What they were against, was the complete disregard for the life of flora and fauna that have or are going extinct. The roughly 1800 species that governments didn't give a single shit about. Furthermore, most hazard reduction methods don't even involve lighting fires. They involve land clearance and creating lines across which fires can't spread but I'm sure you know all this since you're a volunteer.

Factcheck: Is there really a green conspiracy to stop bushfire hazard reduction?

Firefighters are trying to contain dozens of fires across two states, but a familiar blame game has already begun

www.theguardian.com

Bushfires, Hazard Reduction and Backburning | Australian Greens

The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burns (including back-burning) to reduce the impact of wildfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise.

greens.org.au

Experts attack claim The Greens to blame for bushfires

Planned burning is an effective way of reducing bushfire disasters, like those seen in southern Queensland and northern NSW, but there are growing challenges in getting it done.

www.news.com.au

Again for what feels like the hundredth time, these bushfires aren't as catastrophic as they are because a couple of nutcases chained themselves to a tree, it's a result of the fact that Australia is hotter and dryer than at any other point in human history, which is a result of rapid climate change. This is pretty significantly increased by the fact that the NSW liberal government made cuts of roughly 80% to hazard reduction services and other significant cuts to emergency services as well as the federal governments $15 million cut to aerial firefighting and other national fire related services, of which he so generously gave $11 million back after significant pressure. You would have noticed, I'm sure, that the fires were and are much worse in NSW than anywhere else in the country and we have the koala killer herself Gladys Berijiklian to thank for that.

Gladys Berejiklian slashes fire service budgets while NSW burns

It is notable that the NSW State Government has recently cut its fire services, writes Tarric Brooker.

independentaustralia.net

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Australia's national parks are reaching an environmental tipping point, rangers warn

Former rangers, traditional owners and conservationists say Australia's national parks are reaching an environmental tipping point, with funding cuts at both a state and federal level leaving them in poor condition.

www.abc.net.au

Drought and climate change were the kindling, and now the east coast is ablaze

They escaped to the coast for the quiet life, but now sea-changers are in the path of monster fires.

theconversation.com

Australia bushfires factcheck: are this year's fires unprecedented?

Conservative commentators have pointed to a long history of bushfires to suggest there is nothing unusual about this season. Experts disagree

www.theguardian.com

Morrison cut funding and ignored fire chiefs before NSW blaze

Morrison offered 'thoughts and prayers' to the victims of bushfires, but he also cut funding and ignored the concerns of fire chiefs prior to the blaze.

www.thebigsmoke.com.au

The facts about bushfires and climate change | Climate Council

The catastrophic bushfires across NSW and Queensland are not normal. Climate change is making these bushfire threats worse. Take a look at the facts to decide for yourself.

www.climatecouncil.org.au

404 - Page not found - CSIRO

www.csiro.au

As you can see I have ample references for everything I post on here, if there are more you would like about anything else I believe I would be more than happy to link them to you. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that up until now you were uninformed. Anything like this you post in future though I have to assume you are lying because I have now given you more evidence than I've seen anyone in Australia spilling the same rhetoric as you produce.

Why bother

You can tell by the tone and the name calling - his mind clamped shut.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Why bother

You can tell by the tone and the name calling - his mind clamped shut.

What can I say, I've got to remain hopeful about something.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Death of a Salesman

(personally I take umbrage at Barry Cassidy's insuation the Scott Morrison was ever a "leader")

“You are watching the destruction of a political leader,” the former Hawke government press secretary, Barrie Cassidy, said after watching the prime minister, Scott Morrison, in the bushfire devastated NSW town of Cobargo.

Leaders are often heckled. In the partisan business of politics, plenty of handshakes have been refused.

To experts in public relations, Morrison’s dramatic visit to the bushfire-ravaged village of Cobargo felt like something else – the political death of a salesman, a snowballing of anger at the way Morrison has dodged, dismissed and downplayed the unprecedented natural disaster.

“Those images would be devastating for a leader of any political persuasion,” says David Marshall, the former head of Canberra Tourism and Events and a communications strategist who wrote a PhD thesis on the Howard government’s media management.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/04/death-of-the-salesman-how-scott-morrisons-pr-nous-deserted-him-in-the-bushfires

Yep Sc Mo is cooked , done and dusted . He is one of the most non genuine persons iv come across , he makes me want to throw up every time he opens is mouth

 

[pebblesofsand]

What can I say, I've got to remain hopeful about something.

Who'd have thought - Crusty Undies is Big Footy's St Jude - the patron Saint of lost causes.

Wind change is just starting to occur down here - good for us on the coast - bad for those in the hills. And unfortunately the forecast for rain keeps getting downgraded - 8 to 20mm has now become 2 to 6. Bugger!!!

 

[Drake Huggins]

Well first of all, as I've previously said boomer is a mindset and you fit the bill. And I don't think I will Drake. You see, everything I believe I've actually researched. Let's first consider the assumptions you've made about me, firstly you assume that because I'm left wing I'm a male feminist, wrong. Second you believe that because I'm left wing I support the oversexualisation of anything, but apparently particularly gay people, which I don't. You seem to believe that I only started believing in climate change on the insistence of a 16 year old child in the last year, which is also wrong, the thousands of research articles with a 99.6% consensus did the job for me well before Greta came along, you seem to have conflated every idea you don't like with "leftism" and then claim that every single person with a belief slightly left of you is a ... I am too foolish to read the site rules who holds an identical set of beliefs to everyone else.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0270467617707079?journalCode=bsta

Now onto your beliefs about society. It seems you think "Greenies" are to blame for the recent bushfires. You state backburning and "chaining themselves to trees" as the reason that hundreds of thousands of hectares of potentially flammable land wasn't addressed. This is entirely incorrect. First of all, as I said earlier, what you are referring to is called a hazard reduction burn. These are only viable in the cold months as there is too great a risk of starting an uncontrolled fire with HR burns later than August. Second, HR burns are still dangerous as the potential for smoke inhalation of the population near or in major cities even with controlled fires is significant. Thirdly, the Greens have never stepped in the way of HR burns or any of the variety of other hazard reduction methods, you can read this in a number of articles ranging from parliamentary dictations to newspaper articles from companies not owned by Murdoch which admittedly is pretty scarce or even on the Greens page themselves where they explicitly state that they aren't against any of that. What they were against, was the complete disregard for the life of flora and fauna that have or are going extinct. The roughly 1800 species that governments didn't give a single shit about. Furthermore, most hazard reduction methods don't even involve lighting fires. They involve land clearance and creating lines across which fires can't spread but I'm sure you know all this since you're a volunteer.

Factcheck: Is there really a green conspiracy to stop bushfire hazard reduction?

Firefighters are trying to contain dozens of fires across two states, but a familiar blame game has already begun

www.theguardian.com

Bushfires, Hazard Reduction and Backburning | Australian Greens

The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burns (including back-burning) to reduce the impact of wildfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise.

greens.org.au

Experts attack claim The Greens to blame for bushfires

Planned burning is an effective way of reducing bushfire disasters, like those seen in southern Queensland and northern NSW, but there are growing challenges in getting it done.

www.news.com.au

Again for what feels like the hundredth time, these bushfires aren't as catastrophic as they are because a couple of nutcases chained themselves to a tree, it's a result of the fact that Australia is hotter and dryer than at any other point in human history, which is a result of rapid climate change. This is pretty significantly increased by the fact that the NSW liberal government made cuts of roughly 80% to hazard reduction services and other significant cuts to emergency services as well as the federal governments $15 million cut to aerial firefighting and other national fire related services, of which he so generously gave $11 million back after significant pressure. You would have noticed, I'm sure, that the fires were and are much worse in NSW than anywhere else in the country and we have the koala killer herself Gladys Berijiklian to thank for that.

Gladys Berejiklian slashes fire service budgets while NSW burns

It is notable that the NSW State Government has recently cut its fire services, writes Tarric Brooker.

independentaustralia.net

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Australia's national parks are reaching an environmental tipping point, rangers warn

Former rangers, traditional owners and conservationists say Australia's national parks are reaching an environmental tipping point, with funding cuts at both a state and federal level leaving them in poor condition.

www.abc.net.au

Drought and climate change were the kindling, and now the east coast is ablaze

They escaped to the coast for the quiet life, but now sea-changers are in the path of monster fires.

theconversation.com

Australia bushfires factcheck: are this year's fires unprecedented?

Conservative commentators have pointed to a long history of bushfires to suggest there is nothing unusual about this season. Experts disagree

www.theguardian.com

Morrison cut funding and ignored fire chiefs before NSW blaze

Morrison offered 'thoughts and prayers' to the victims of bushfires, but he also cut funding and ignored the concerns of fire chiefs prior to the blaze.

www.thebigsmoke.com.au

The facts about bushfires and climate change | Climate Council

The catastrophic bushfires across NSW and Queensland are not normal. Climate change is making these bushfire threats worse. Take a look at the facts to decide for yourself.

www.climatecouncil.org.au

404 - Page not found - CSIRO

www.csiro.au

As you can see I have ample references for everything I post on here, if there are more you would like about anything else I believe I would be more than happy to link them to you. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that up until now you were uninformed. Anything like this you post in future though I have to assume you are lying because I have now given you more evidence than I've seen anyone in Australia spilling the same rhetoric as you produce.

I've never seen hubris like it. You know everything. A true doomer. Keep typing. I'm trying to help people. Tell you what pack up your research, come down to Bairnsdale and enlighten all of us, before you forget some of what little you know.

The people down here would love to be blessed by your "extensive" research into left wing propaganda, your incredible knowledge and vast life experience. Leave the work to the adults, doomer. Keep researching in your echo chamber. Your last post is one of the most hilarious things I've read. Now that's going straight to the pool room. My pool room. In a house I worked to pay off. I take it your pool room actually belongs to your mummy and daddy.
Boomers are they?

Actually I stopped reading after a few paragraphs. Tea break's over. Back to work. I showed it to a couple of people here. They would love to meet you. Come on down. I can't guarantee your physical safety, unfortunately.

Why bother

You can tell by the tone and the name calling - his mind clamped shut.

You're the expert on that. Name calling. Advise your little doomer mate he should refrain also. At least I have a mind of my own.

 

[CursingFijian]

Death of a Salesman

(personally I take umbrage at Barry Cassidy's insuation the Scott Morrison was ever a "leader")

“You are watching the destruction of a political leader,” the former Hawke government press secretary, Barrie Cassidy, said after watching the prime minister, Scott Morrison, in the bushfire devastated NSW town of Cobargo.

Leaders are often heckled. In the partisan business of politics, plenty of handshakes have been refused.

To experts in public relations, Morrison’s dramatic visit to the bushfire-ravaged village of Cobargo felt like something else – the political death of a salesman, a snowballing of anger at the way Morrison has dodged, dismissed and downplayed the unprecedented natural disaster.

“Those images would be devastating for a leader of any political persuasion,” says David Marshall, the former head of Canberra Tourism and Events and a communications strategist who wrote a PhD thesis on the Howard government’s media management.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/04/death-of-the-salesman-how-scott-morrisons-pr-nous-deserted-him-in-the-bushfires

Our current Prime Minister has become a meme unfortunately.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Please take the time to hear from this very intelligent, expierenced and well qualified man (an OAM) on the issue:

Scientist David Packham on what’s really causing the bushfires – Volunteer Fire Fighters Association

volunteerfirefighters.org.au

Plus this guy warned us several times in the past. Thanks to the green lunacy, they never listened or got the job done in time. Just one article from 5 years ago:

Bushfire scientist David Packham warns of huge blaze threat, urges increase in fuel reduction burns

Forest fuel levels have climbed over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned.

www.google.com

TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN AND READ. IT MIGHT PUT THE GLOBAL WARMING HYSTERIA SURROUNDING THE BUSHFIRES TO BED FOR SOME...BUT I DOUBT IT.

Still no takers?

So a bushfire expert that has lived and breathed this stuff for a living and is now 77 has no idea??????