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[flyingmagic]

 

[George]

Says nothing actually. The tax cuts will be taken off anybody earning over 400k. The average American salary is under 60k. Wont affect 95% of workers. Only the top 5 %.

It is a sliding scale like ours, not all salary is taxed at the highest tax bracket.

the 1.8 trillion taking off the mega rich will be used for infrastructure which creates jobs.

AOC will never be more than a congresswoman because she is for the people not corporates. The Dem machine will keep her and all progressives down while boosting ordinary machine apparatchiks like Clinton and Biden.

And they wonder after four years of Trump 230k dead from a pandemic, a racially divided country and a crashed economy why they can barely scrape over the line in the Presidential election, if they do, not take the Senate, and consign a prospective Biden administration to a lame duck until at least the mid terms in 2 years.

What a joke of a party, what a joke of a democracy, what a joke of a country.

Yes it definitely will affect Americans earning less than 400k because businesses will cut staff to keep profit. Businesses will move back overseas because of the tax hike. Not going to help the average American at all.

Anyway, happy to agree to disagree, nothing anyone is going to say on BigFooty will change my mind and vice versa.

 

[StCicatriz]

Correct it is my take away. Because remember, for every nasty, terrible, embarrassing, un-presidential thing this man does and represents, the democrats BARELY defeated him.

You're worried about the wrong thing my man

Its like worrying about an annoying leaky tap whilst ya house is on fire.

This right now. Right here. Is the biggest test to American freedom and democracy we have seen in a long long long time.

If they fail this test we are all ****ed.

 

[StCicatriz]

Yes it definitely will affect Americans earning less than 400k because businesses will cut staff to keep profit. Businesses will move back overseas because of the tax hike. Not going to help the average American at all.

Anyway, happy to agree to disagree, nothing anyone is going to say on BigFooty will change my mind and vice versa.

Surely policy debate or what party will be better for the country is a complete after thought right now.

Surely the immediate concern is quelling this attack on democracy and proper process?

Theres more at stake here than just one election

 

[George]

Surely policy debate or what party will be better for the country is a complete after thought right now.

Surely the immediate concern is quelling this attack on democracy and proper process?

Theres more at stake here than just one election

I want a fair election.

 

[Pardon me]

I want a fair election.

Whats not fair about this George? genuinely curious mate

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yes it definitely will affect Americans earning less than 400k because businesses will cut staff to keep profit. Businesses will move back overseas because of the tax hike. Not going to help the average American at all.

Anyway, happy to agree to disagree, nothing anyone is going to say on BigFooty will change my mind and vice versa.

Are they taxing rich individuals or companies or both?

 

[Joffaboy]

Yes it definitely will affect Americans earning less than 400k because businesses will cut staff to keep profit. Businesses will move back overseas because of the tax hike. Not going to help the average American at all.

Anyway, happy to agree to disagree, nothing anyone is going to say on BigFooty will change my mind and vice versa.

I think we can all agree the joint is f*cked )both America and Bigfooty ) But this is the type of argument politics should be about, an exchange of ideas on policy.

We may be polar opposite on policy in some areas and have common ground on others.

This complete polarisation of politics is appalling in my view. You don't agree with me, you are a RWNJ racist white supremist fascist, I don't agree with you I am a ... I am too foolish to read the site rules, communist antifa terrorist.

It would be funny if not so ridiculous. Actually it is very sad in my book. I once had a different view on the Adam Goodes situation, not anything outrageous, but immediately was piled on by anyone who didn't like my view and was immediately branded a racist.

It is so sad that you can't voice a moderate but unpopular view with out being labelled.

 

[Geary Is GOAT]

You're worried about the wrong thing my man

Its like worrying about an annoying leaky tap whilst ya house is on fire.

This right now. Right here. Is the biggest test to American freedom and democracy we have seen in a long long long time.

If they fail this test we are all f’ed.

This whole situation is only happening because of how close the election was.

For everything you say about how terrible and awful he is, just remember that he ran a better campaign than the democrats did.

Huge unemployment, corona virus devastating the country, the fact that he's a global embarrassment and they still couldn't put it beyond doubt

If you don't like what is happening right now, then your focus should be entirely on why the election was as close as it currently is.

 

[flyingmagic]

Yes it definitely will affect Americans earning less than 400k because businesses will cut staff to keep profit. Businesses will move back overseas because of the tax hike. Not going to help the average American at all.

Anyway, happy to agree to disagree, nothing anyone is going to say on BigFooty will change my mind and vice versa.

I would point out that the $400,000 figure is for personal income taxes. It worked out to be a 12.4% Social Security payroll tax for wages above $400,000.

Corporate income taxes were to be increased to 28%.

Notably, both increases would still see America have a lower company tax and income tax rate compared with Australia (although taxes do diverge throughout America).

It is also very interesting that while voters in Florida voted for Trump, they also voted to increase the minimum wage to $15. I guess that shows that more voters in Florida support democratic policies even if they don't want the democratic party.

 

[flyingmagic]

It looks like we are seeing the side-effects of drinking bleach play out in real time.

 

[George]

Whats not fair about this George? genuinely curious mate

Didn't say it was unfair. Didn't even say it was rigged. Said I want a fair election. Also said the swing in votes in unusual but that's my opinion.

I think we can all agree the joint is f*cked )both America and Bigfooty ) But this is the type of argument politics should be about, an exchange of ideas on policy.

We may be polar opposite on policy in some areas and have common ground on others.

This complete polarisation of politics is appalling in my view. You don't agree with me, you are a RWNJ racist white supremist fascist, I don't agree with you I am a ... I am too foolish to read the site rules, communist antifa terrorist.

It would be funny if not so ridiculous. Actually it is very sad in my book. I once had a different view on the Adam Goodes situation, not anything outrageous, but immediately was piled on by anyone who didn't like my view and was immediately branded a racist.

It is so sad that you can't voice a moderate but unpopular view with out being labelled.

Agree mate, America is ****ed, they need a much better process to vote - almost a vote reform. I would say for one that people probably need to verify their identity before voting in future. Understand with 330 million people it is difficult but they can do better than this. Nobody can argue against this being a disaster.

Your last point is spot on and no coincidence how many posts I've had to reply to from the group that vehemently supports the other side. For me it's not even so much pro Trump as it is anti Biden and my opinions on candidates aren't by how many nice things they tell me but what policies and actions they take.

Again nothing is going to change anyone's mind here. I had free time yesterday so decided to engage with the discussion but I can't really be bothered anymore.

 

[Joffaboy]

I want a fair election.

So you should

Two documented cases of voter fraud - by Republicans
By Chris Zappone and Michaela Whitbourn
US President Donald Trump has been consistent in his messaging that there has been widespread "electoral fraud", as his Democratic Party challenger Joe Biden says he is on track to win the election.
Thus far, however, there have only been two reported cases of dodgy votes, and both were on the Republican side. The Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania, John Fetterman, a Democrat, tweeted on Thursday (US time) that "our only instance of voter fraud" was a Republican who tried to vote for his dead mother.

Nevada’s Clark County registrar Joe Gloria also reportedly told a news conference on Thursday (again, US time) that the only instance of voter fraud was a Trump supporter who tried to vote twice.

 

[George]

So you should

Two documented cases of voter fraud - by Republicans
By Chris Zappone and Michaela Whitbourn
US President Donald Trump has been consistent in his messaging that there has been widespread "electoral fraud", as his Democratic Party challenger Joe Biden says he is on track to win the election.
Thus far, however, there have only been two reported cases of dodgy votes, and both were on the Republican side. The Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania, John Fetterman, a Democrat, tweeted on Thursday (US time) that "our only instance of voter fraud" was a Republican who tried to vote for his dead mother.

Nevada’s Clark County registrar Joe Gloria also reportedly told a news conference on Thursday (again, US time) that the only instance of voter fraud was a Trump supporter who tried to vote twice.

No good at all.

If you think that I think the fraud is only one way you are mistaken. There is fraud in every election on both sides. Supporting the Republican party has nothing to do with me wanting a fair democracy.

 

[StCicatriz]

Didn't say it was unfair. Didn't even say it was rigged. Said I want a fair election. Also said the swing in votes in unusual but that's my opinion.


Agree mate, America is f’ed, they need a much better process to vote - almost a vote reform. I would say for one that people probably need to verify their identity before voting in future. Understand with 330 million people it is difficult but they can do better than this. Nobody can argue against this being a disaster.

Your last point is spot on and no coincidence how many posts I've had to reply to from the group that vehemently supports the other side. For me it's not even so much pro Trump as it is anti Biden and my opinions on candidates aren't by how many nice things they tell me but what policies and actions they take.

Again nothing is going to change anyone's mind here. I had free time yesterday so decided to engage with the discussion but I can't really be bothered anymore.

How do you feel about how Trump is handling this right now? And what does he need to do moving forward?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

This whole situation is only happening because of how close the election was.

For everything you say about how terrible and awful he is, just remember that he ran a better campaign than the democrats did.

Huge unemployment, corona virus devastating the country, the fact that he's a global embarrassment and they still couldn't put it beyond doubt

If you don't like what is happening right now, then your focus should be entirely on why the election was as close as it currently is.

Because he hoodwinked yokels into thinking he is all about them.

USA, USA, USA


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[StCicatriz]

It appears the Republican party also now has a Trump problem.

We might finally get an end to the division if both parties work out they will need to work together to repair this shit and ensure Trump never returns.

 

[flyingmagic]

Didn't say it was unfair. Didn't even say it was rigged. Said I want a fair election. Also said the swing in votes in unusual but that's my opinion.


Agree mate, America is f’ed, they need a much better process to vote - almost a vote reform. I would say for one that people probably need to verify their identity before voting in future. Understand with 330 million people it is difficult but they can do better than this. Nobody can argue against this being a disaster.

Your last point is spot on and no coincidence how many posts I've had to reply to from the group that vehemently supports the other side. For me it's not even so much pro Trump as it is anti Biden and my opinions on candidates aren't by how many nice things they tell me but what policies and actions they take.

Again nothing is going to change anyone's mind here. I had free time yesterday so decided to engage with the discussion but I can't really be bothered anymore.

I'm not sure there would be as big deal made of it if these swing states had adopted practices like in other states (Florida) so that postal votes could be counted and released on election day.

It is notable that this was requested and proposed in these swing states (WI, MI, PA) as they expected to receive a much larger amount of postal votes.

Unfortunately republican state legislatures blocked these attempts.

Hopefully we have reform after this so everything can be counted a lot quicker in future. The drip feeding of information just allows for people to sow doubt in the process and for misinformation to spread.

Had Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin been able to count absentee ballots ahead of time (like Florida) this election would have been over at like 11pm on election day.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Because he hoodwinked yokels into thinking he is all about them.

USA, USA, USA


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This hyperbole is why it’s pointless discussing politics in 2020.
As Joffa said above, “sides” have been boiled down to caricatures.
Do you think the elevated number of Hispanics and Native Americans that voted red are yokels?

 

[flyingmagic]

Once again Romney looks like he is the voice of reason. Oh dear.

 

[StCicatriz]

This shit is crazy. How is this not terrorism?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

This whole situation is only happening because of how close the election was.

For everything you say about how terrible and awful he is, just remember that he ran a better campaign than the democrats did.

Huge unemployment, corona virus devastating the country, the fact that he's a global embarrassment and they still couldn't put it beyond doubt

If you don't like what is happening right now, then your focus should be entirely on why the election was as close as it currently is.

We all know what a "Campaigner " is , from the old big footy swearing filter.

 

[flyingmagic]

The murdoch pivot. LOL

 

[Joffaboy]

Trump had to be told by his aides last night when he demanded all counting to be stopped that he would lose the election. Dems ahead in Arizona and Nevada would give Biden 270 . he didn't understand apparently.

And some sage advice from Greta after Donny tweeted the same unsolicitated advice in 2019 when Great won Time's Person of the Year in 2019

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I would point out that the $400,000 figure is for personal income taxes. It worked out to be a 12.4% Social Security payroll tax for wages above $400,000.

Corporate income taxes were to be increased to 28%.

Notably, both increases would still see America have a lower company tax and income tax rate compared with Australia (although taxes do diverge throughout America).

It is also very interesting that while voters in Florida voted for Trump, they also voted to increase the minimum wage to $15. I guess that shows that more voters in Florida support democratic policies even if they don't want the democratic party.

There are a lot of ridiculously paid executives in the USA . I really don't give a crap how much they are taxed. Many of them are living in lala land , in a world of meaningless KPI's. We get a few come to Australia every now and then, and they really don't stack up well compared to the lesser paid local equivalents.

Taxing companies is a risk. For bigger organisations its easy to replace "local operations ". Yes Australia has a high company tax rate, and a low interest of anyone starting a company in Australia if they have any choice at all.
"Fred's Plumbing " doesn't really have that choice.

Trump was actually pretty effective at retaining USA jobs, which accounts for one of the reasons he remains popular despite his buffoonery.