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[StCicatriz]

I'm not as worked up or as heavily invested in all of this as you appear to be ...
I believe something is not right but have no proof of anything yet.
As George says below.. Why don't we all wait and find out?

and if nothing comes out, what would your opinion of Trump be?

 

[George]

and if nothing comes out, what would your opinion of Trump be?

That he is a clown?

What is with people thinking that we all would die for Trump?

Lol, I speak for myself but I support his policies but that's about it. You seem more invested than anyone here.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

StCicatriz, choose one, 4 more years of Trump, or a Freo Fourpeat?

 

[Ceanag]

and if nothing comes out, what would your opinion of Trump be?

Trump is Trump ...nothing will change that.

 

[George]

StCicatriz, choose one, 4 more years of Trump, or a Freo Fourpeat?

Only if Acres is skipper

 

[StCicatriz]

I would prefer Trump had evidence to support his claims before he made inflammatory public statements that encouraged the public to have mistrust in a democratic process

there you go, edited it for you

 

[StCicatriz]

Trump is Trump ...nothing will change that.

non answer again

i don't get why this is so hard for you

 

[Pardon me]

ABC (Australia) seems to think that one mail worker was an isolated case.

 

[StCicatriz]

StCicatriz, choose one, 4 more years of Trump, or a Freo Fourpeat?

Trump

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

StCicatriz, choose one, 4 more years of Trump, or a Freo Fourpeat?

Acres to become president.

Win/Win for all parties

 

[Verdun]

You keep trying to shout people down for having an opinion - you believe there's no voter fraud with no evidence and he believes there is voter fraud with no evidence.

Lets see what happens when it's taken through the courts and if it's proven there wasn't anything dodgy - so be it, well done to Biden. If not I would hope you would retract your statements and congratulate Trump on his victory.

I would prefer they know the votes are 100% legitimate than just going with the result regardless of who wins.

Just by bombarding people you don't agree with with posts doesn't mean you have anymore of an idea than they do.

What's so bad about wanting a fair election?

Yep totally agree.

Be good to be consistent on that.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You keep trying to shout people down for having an opinion - you believe there's no voter fraud with no evidence and he believes there is voter fraud with no evidence.

Lets see what happens when it's taken through the courts and if it's proven there wasn't anything dodgy - so be it, well done to Biden. If not I would hope you would retract your statements and congratulate Trump on his victory.

I would prefer they know the votes are 100% legitimate than just going with the result regardless of who wins.

Just by bombarding people you don't agree with with posts doesn't mean you have anymore of an idea than they do.

What's so bad about wanting a fair election?

So we should get our courts to investigate all the elections in Australia, despite the fact that there is a transparent system in place to ensure that the election is fair. Just like in the USA?

Do we then get others to investigate the courts?

 

[George]

there you go, edited it for you

Maybe he does? How do you know for a fact that he doesn't? Because of some posts on Twitter? It's going through a legal process, perhaps some of this stuff isn't open in public forum? Perhaps some of the corruption has been covered up better than some bloke scrunching up Trump votes on a potato camera.

Point is you talk as if you know already when you don't. None of us do. I have repeatedly said I thought it was unusual but never said I'm certain of it.

So we should get our courts to investigate all the elections in Australia, despite the fact that there is a transparent system in place to ensure that the election is fair. Just like in the USA?

Do we then get others to investigate the courts?

Transparent system in the USA? Voting process in America is an absolute disaster.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

StCicatriz, choose one, 4 more years of Trump, or a Freo Fourpeat?

Trump, but only because i don't live in the USA and therefore don't give a crap about him.

 

[StCicatriz]

Maybe he does? How do you know for a fact that he doesn't? Because of some posts on Twitter? It's going through a legal process, perhaps some of this stuff isn't open in public forum? Perhaps some of the corruption has been covered up better than some bloke scrunching up Trump votes on a potato camera.

Point is you talk as if you know already when you don't. None of us do. I have repeatedly said I thought it was unusual but never said I'm certain of it.


Transparent system in the USA? Voting process in America is an absolute disaster.

that's my point, you can't make those statements until you have the evidence to support it. if you make the statement provide the evidence. the evidence he provided has been completely debunked. he blatantly lied and his supporters are refusing to acknowledge it.

there is no wait and see what he raised, because what he raised was completely and utterly debunked.

it's just birthed all these conspiracy theories, further division and angst.

there's no grander plan to his statement so i'm not sure why people are again trying to deflect away from what he said and what has been disproved or trying to minimise what he did.

there's a line in the sand you do not cross and that is trust within the democratic process which underpins how society operates peacefully. you take that away and you end up down the path of conflict.

if biden did this i would be ropeable. if obama did it i would be. it wouldn't matter what party affiliation they have it's seriously wrong and there needs to be a hardline approach to it.

 

[Ceanag]

I think it is very important to find out if any fraud did occur.
Even if the extant of any fraud being uncovered was minor I think the Democrats and left leaning anti Trumpers would fear that it would put a permanent blight on Bidens presidency
And to put a Big Footy analogy on it, there would always be a * ... ie President Biden*

 

[George]

He's making some good points that you don't agree with so now you're dismissing his motives.

I'm not dismissing anything. He speaks as if he knows for a fact there's no voter fraud. Regardless if there is or there isn't, there's two things to consider. One, nobody actually knows for certain. Two, we will find out in due course anyway.

No Fraud - Congrats to Biden, Trump is a clown.
Fraud - Congrats to Trump, corruption rife in America.

 

[Armoooo]

Then I'm proud to be a dangerous idiot ...
I'm convinced there has been voter fraud but to what extent and whether it would be rampant enough to affect the election outcome is the question.

This is the issue. Why are you proud of your ignorance?

Have you reviewed what non-partisan experts have said? Have you reviewed the previous studies done by various intelligence agencies?

The idea that hundred of thousands of votes can be fraudulently cast by nefarious democratic interests but not by Republicans is so baseless it goes beyond absurdity. Even the Republican party leadership aren't trying to make such a boneheaded argument.

 

[George]

that's my point, you can't make those statements until you have the evidence to support it. if you make the statement provide the evidence. the evidence he provided has been completely debunked.

it's just birthed all these conspiracy theories, further division and angst.

there's no grander plan to his statement so i'm not sure why people are again trying to deflect away from what he said and what has been disproved or trying to minimise what he did.

there's a line in the sand you do not cross and that is trust within the democratic process which underpins how society operates peacefully. you take that away and you end up down the path of conflict.

I can agree with that. I'm actually pleased they are going to look over the votes properly. I would want to know an election was handled fairly on both sides. If some think there's fraud then lets find out. I trust the courts more than these politicians anyway. I would hope there's no fraud on either side. It makes a mockery out of the entire thing.

 

[Armoooo]

Just wondering if you have seen or heard of Project Veritas ...I've mentioned it a few times but nobody has addressed the voter fraud they have recently uncovered.

I've heard of Project Veritas and the countless time their propaganda has been debunked.

Seriously, this is water turning the frogs gay level of misinformation.

This is the problem, we have a generation of people who are listening to Joe Rogan drivel nonsense and give platforms to fringe lunatics and they have lost the ability to assess the validity of the information they assess.

 

[Ceanag]

I've heard of Project Veritas and the countless time their propaganda has been debunked.

Seriously, this is water turning the frogs gay level of misinformation.

This is the problem, we have a generation of people who are listening to Joe Rogan drivel nonsense and give platforms to fringe lunatics and they have lost the ability to assess the validity of the information they assess.

So you believe that all conservatives and right leaning individuals are fringe lunatics ...
Well there is a narrative I have never heard before ...not

 

[StCicatriz]

I can agree with that. I'm actually pleased they are going to look over the votes properly. I would want to know an election was handled fairly on both sides. If some think there's fraud then lets find out. I trust the courts more than these politicians anyway. I would hope there's no fraud on either side. It makes a mockery out of the entire thing.

yeah to be clear i am 100% behind transparency and due process. votes need to be counted properly. if a re-count is needed go for it. if that changes the result and we get 4 more years of Trump so be it.

what i can't cop and i will take a hard line on this, is any commentary to suggest there is voter fraud in an attempt to delegitimise an election just because the results didn't go their way. i can't cop lies. like i get politicians will lie and deflect. but there's always this gentlemans handshake and understanding that when it came to the result and the democratic process, it's completely off limits. it's the one area both parties will always be resolute in protecting and mainting the public's confidence in.

Trump having a shot at that, i just can't take. if that makes me shouty or abrasive so be it. we cannot tolerate that above all else.

 

[StCicatriz]

So you believe that all conservatives and right leaning individuals are fringe lunatics ...
Well there is a narrative I have never heard before ...not

they're not conservatives, they are anti-liberal. there's a big difference.

conservatives wouldn't tolerate the shit trump is doing now because it undermines their country and the blatant lies go against what is at their core of their beliefs... at least that would be their public stance ;-)

 

[George]

yeah to be clear i am 100% behind transparency and due process. votes need to be counted properly. if a re-count is needed go for it. if that changes the result and we get 4 more years of Trump so be it.

what i can't cop and i will take a hard line on this, is any commentary to suggest there is voter fraud in an attempt to delegitimise an election just because the results didn't go their way. i can't cop lies. like i get politicians will lie and deflect. but there's always this gentlemans handshake and understanding that when it came to the result and the democratic process, it's completely off limits. it's the one area both parties will always be resolute in protecting and mainting the public's confidence in.

Trump having a shot at that, i just can't take. if that makes me shouty or abrasive so be it. we cannot tolerate that above all else.

That's all well and good but mate you don't know if there IS fraud or not. For all we know they may have information they've kept for the lawsuit that we have no idea about. You can't categorically say it's a lie if you don't know for certain. You would be more pissed off if nobody said anything and then after the decision was made we find out it was rigged. They are in a rubbish situation as it is, it's been an absolute disaster, but it's better than the alternative of not knowing at all. At least this way we can say either Trump or Biden won fair and square.

 

[Ceanag]

they're not conservatives, they are anti-liberal. there's a big difference.

conservatives wouldn't tolerate the sh*t trump is doing now because it undermines their country and the blatant lies go against what is at their core of their beliefs... at least that would be their public stance ;-)

That's right ..You tell all those conservatives how they need to be defined.