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[Joffaboy]

The point is you are claiming there is zero voter fraud ... that is untrue

Where did anybody claim that. You make up stuff like your Veritas mates

 

[Joffaboy]

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I vote for did not vote, they seem very popular

 

[StCicatriz]

That's all well and good but mate you don't know if there IS fraud or not. For all we know they may have information they've kept for the lawsuit that we have no idea about. You can't categorically say it's a lie if you don't know for certain. You would be more pissed off if nobody said anything and then after the decision was made we find out it was rigged. They are in a rubbish situation as it is, it's been an absolute disaster, but it's better than the alternative of not knowing at all. At least this way we can say either Trump or Biden won fair and square.

the evidence trump provided has been debunked. end of story. it's 100% a lie.

if there was other evidence to support his claims he needed to release it.

he can't claim the votes are fraudulent and the election has been stolen and not provide valid evidence to suggest thats the case.

 

[flyingmagic]

When even Chris Christie is distancing himself from Trump you know there are problems.

I would have thought that it is incumbent upon the person stating that there is fraud to provide the evidence for it. It's pretty hard to prove a negative. But it doesn't really matter what I think, that's up to the courts.

 

[Verdun]

It is long overdue for conservatives / Republican's to call out Trump.

Now beyond that - it is now scary.

That is not an attack on conservatives - they actually value institutions and structures, as do I.

Trump does not.

 

[Joffaboy]

That's right ..You tell all those conservatives how they need to be defined.

Conservatives? lulz. Extreme Right wing misinformation groups are not conservative. Hilarious

 

[BucketsandBanger]

That he is a clown?

What is with people thinking that we all would die for Trump?

Lol, I speak for myself but I support his policies but that's about it. You seem more invested than anyone here.

Not having a go, I'm curious, what are his major policies that you support? And do you want these in Australia? He has governed along very traditional American conservative principles. Do you want gun laws to be significantly relaxed in Australia? You must support the LNP's complete disregard for meeting climate change targets and transitioning to renewable energy as Trump does? You must be against universal healthcare, so Australia's healthcare system is bad? Again, just curious.

 

[StCicatriz]

That's right ..You tell all those conservatives how they need to be defined.

that's exactly what it is. if you don't believe me go read about the difference between anti-liberalism and conservatives and how the GOP has changed with these far right influences like breitbart

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

When even Chris Christie is distancing himself from Trump you know there are problems.

I would have thought that it is incumbent upon the person stating that there is fraud to provide the evidence for it. It's pretty hard to prove a negative.

There could be a split in the GOP, one side are the Trumpers and the other side are the rest.

Could get Nasty

 

[Armoooo]

You keep trying to shout people down for having an opinion - you believe there's no voter fraud with no evidence and he believes there is voter fraud with no evidence.

Lets see what happens when it's taken through the courts and if it's proven there wasn't anything dodgy - so be it, well done to Biden. If not I would hope you would retract your statements and congratulate Trump on his victory.

I would prefer they know the votes are 100% legitimate than just going with the result regardless of who wins.

Just by bombarding people you don't agree with with posts doesn't mean you have anymore of an idea than they do.

What's so bad about wanting a fair election?

You can't prove a negative.

There will always be accusations of fraud. When the independent bodies complete any investigation turning up no evidence, they then become a part of the cover up conspiracy.

You have taken a non-falsifiable opinion based on no evidence.

Carl Sagan famously asserted that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Claims don't get much more extraordinary than allegations of wide scale election fraud and there is literally 0 credible evidence.

 

[StCicatriz]

 

[George]

the evidence trump provided has been debunked. end of story. it's 100% a lie.

if there was other evidence to support his claims he needed to release it.

he can't claim the votes are fraudulent and the election has been stolen and not provide valid evidence to suggest thats the case.

Then why hasn't the court thrown it out? They threw out Michigan, but PA, GA, AZ will most likely continue with the legal process.

Not having a go, I'm curious, what are his major policies that you support? And do you want these in Australia? He has governed along very traditional American conservative principles. Do you want gun laws to be significantly relaxed in Australia? You must support the LNP's complete disregard for meeting climate change targets and transitioning to renewable energy as Trump does? You must be against universal healthcare, so Australia's healthcare system is bad? Again, just curious.

I've mentioned it yesterday in here. I still don't get why people think because I support one party in one country means I need to support the same party in another. It is bizarre to me. I am not that invested in any party in any country. I look at both candidates policies and make up my mind from there. I am a swing voter and I believe that's how everyone should be. We aren't in the 60's anymore we should be able to weigh up both sides and make a decision.

 

[StCicatriz]

You can't prove a negative.

There will always be accusations of fraud. When the independent bodies complete any investigation turning up no evidence, they then become a part of the cover up conspiracy.

You have taken a non-falsifiable opinion based on no evidence.

Carl Sagan famously asserted that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Claims don't get much more extraordinary than allegations of wide scale election fraud and there is literally 0 credible evidence.

said it better than i ever could

 

[Ceanag]

Where did anybody claim that. You make up stuff like your Veritas mates

I try to see and appreciate both sides of a story ..it appears the only thing you know about Project Veritas is what it says on Wikipedia and as that doesn't suit your narrative you are happy to just leave it at that.

 

[George]

You can't prove a negative.

There will always be accusations of fraud. When the independent bodies complete any investigation turning up no evidence, they then become a part of the cover up conspiracy.

You have taken a non-falsifiable opinion based on no evidence.

Carl Sagan famously asserted that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Claims don't get much more extraordinary than allegations of wide scale election fraud and there is literally 0 credible evidence.

My point stands that we don't know either way so why is there such a refusal to allow legal process to take its course?

Let the courts deal with it. I am fine with either result if it is done fairly.

 

[StCicatriz]

Then why hasn't the court thrown it out? They threw out Michigan, but PA, GA, AZ will most likely continue with the legal process.


I've mentioned it yesterday in here. I still don't get why people think because I support one party in one country means I need to support the same party in another. It is bizarre to me. I am not that invested in any party in any country. I look at both candidates policies and make up my mind from there. I am a swing voter and I believe that's how everyone should be. We aren't in the 60's anymore we should be able to weigh up both sides and make a decision.

is that same the Michigan that Trump claims has had wide scale election fraud that stole the result from him? exactly my point!

 

[flyingmagic]

Imagine these in here if he wins Dard Ball Get

Hasn't he [Trump] already won?

 

[Armoooo]

So you believe that all conservatives and right leaning individuals are fringe lunatics ...
Well there is a narrative I have never heard before ...not

There is a difference between being "right leaning" and believing in an underground cabal of child sex traffickers organised by the Biden's, Clinton's and Obama's under in a pizza place basement.

There is a difference between being "right leaning" and giving creedence to any theory which involves the term "white genocide".

Let's not forget, that conservatism isn't defined by "owning libs" it is supposed to be about CONSERVING certain value, hence the name. The alt-right have moved so far away from the so called Christian values the right are supposed to be conserving.

 

[StCicatriz]

I try to see and appreciate both sides of a story ..it appears the only thing you know about Project Veritas is what it says on Wikipedia and as that doesn't suit your narrative you are happy to just leave it at that.

 

[George]

is that same the Michigan that Trump claims has had wide scale election fraud that stole the result from him? exactly my point!

Yes that is the same Michigan. Well done to Biden to winning it, it seems like it's going to go a long way to him winning the election.

I still don't understand the defensiveness over not wanting the courts to determine the truth?

 

[Armoooo]

That's all well and good but mate you don't know if there IS fraud or not. For all we know they may have information they've kept for the lawsuit that we have no idea about. You can't categorically say it's a lie if you don't know for certain. You would be more pissed off if nobody said anything and then after the decision was made we find out it was rigged. They are in a rubbish situation as it is, it's been an absolute disaster, but it's better than the alternative of not knowing at all. At least this way we can say either Trump or Biden won fair and square.

I have categorical proof that Trump cheated in every state he's leading. People were voting, going to the back of the line voting again.

I won't show you the proof, but know I have it.

So I assume you will doubt the result in Florida now? Afterall, you don't have any proof that I'm wrong.

 

[StCicatriz]

Opinion | Goodbye Principled Conservatism (Published 2020)

Under Trump, the politics of resentment now govern the Republican Party.

www.nytimes.com

 

[George]

I have categorical proof that Trump cheated in every state he's leading. People were voting, going to the back of the line voting again.

I won't show you the proof, but know I have it.

So I assume you will doubt the result in Florida now? Afterall, you don't have any proof that I'm wrong.

I just want a fair result and if that needs to be played out with legal process so be it.

It's not a Trump v Biden thing, I don't know how many times I have to say it.

It's as if you think I believe Trump, lol

 

[StCicatriz]

Yes that is the same Michigan. Well done to Biden to winning it, it seems like it's going to go a long way to him winning the election.

I still don't understand the defensiveness over not wanting the courts to determine the truth?

i have no issues with it going through due process

i have issues with his statement where the evidence he provided has been found to be a lie

i think we are going around in circles now. i don't think you will agree.

 

[Ceanag]

Conservatives? lulz. Extreme Right wing misinformation groups are not conservative. Hilarious

I am not an overly political person but my political views would lean more to the right of center ...how should I be defined ..because it seems to me if I express any slightly right of center viewpoints I am labelled as a right wing fringe conspiracy theorist lunatic and therefore not to be taken seriously by the growing "woke" mob.