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[Ceanag]

Nevada GOP cites voter-fraud claims in criminal referral to AG Barr

"We expect that number to grow substantially," the party tweeted. "Thousands of individuals have been identified who appear to have violated the law by casting ballots after they moved from NV."

www.foxnews.com

 

[gringo2011]

Social media on the whole has been a disaster for the human race.

The ghost of Teddy Roosevelt needs to come in and break up the big tech companies

If the dems win the anti trust might get acted on. They are still salty that Trump used facebook to win last time.

US tech giants accused of 'monopoly power'

A congressional report from House Democrats recommends changes that could lead to breaking up the companies.

www.bbc.com

 

[gringo2011]

Yes it definitely will affect Americans earning less than 400k because businesses will cut staff to keep profit. Businesses will move back overseas because of the tax hike. Not going to help the average American at all.

Anyway, happy to agree to disagree, nothing anyone is going to say on BigFooty will change my mind and vice versa.

Trickle down economics is an absolute fallacy.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Ahaha Alex Jones

Surprised he has not blamed the gay frogs yet.

 

[gringo2011]

This sh*t is crazy. How is this not terrorism?

Ironically he's being treasonous. Might want to be careful of his suggestions being taken up.

 

[gringo2011]

Check out Project Veritas for one ... they have already instigated official investigations based on their reports ..... or because PV is a conservative organisation will you immediately brand them as conspiracy theorists.
As I stated previously I believe fraud has occurred but to what extant and would it be enough to affect the outcome of the election.

The far right are no better than any other extreme group. The guy who founded it has an agenda so instantly becomes less credible. You want investigations done free of political bias or it's likely to become a manipulated outcome. It's like asking an antifa group to investigate Trump for anything, you know what the outcome would be.

 

[gringo2011]

You guys are stating there is no voter fraud ... and then say ..well nothing significant anyway
So is there or isn't there ..or is a little fraud acceptable?

There is no perfect system, I would think any major fraud would be pretty easily uncovered. We caught it in local council elections here and it would have been a pretty small crew working on it in comparison.

 

[gringo2011]

i'd like to think people would be more worked up about an attack on democracy and would defend that instead of defending trump because they were hoping he would win

if that does not happen we are in a whole mire of sh*t in terms of problems moving forward

Yeah the peaceful handing over of power and lots of other conventions are being smashed. Like any system once you start chipping away at it's integrity, it's hard to ever repair again. Trumps legacy will be one of having destroyed a lot of the structural integrity of the USA legal system. His backers are some of the more radical capitalists on earth with very few morals. Sheldon Adelson made all his money from casinos and manipulates the governments for personal gain. Betsy de Vos and her husband who have worked tirelessly to have all public schools in the US sold off and made all their money from Amway which is a pyramid selling scheme are some of his biggest supporters. also lots of fringe miners who wanted to punish the EPA for their heavy fining of their environmental disasters.

 

[gringo2011]

So we should get our courts to investigate all the elections in Australia, despite the fact that there is a transparent system in place to ensure that the election is fair. Just like in the USA?

Do we then get others to investigate the courts?

No we just stack the courts with partisan appointments with no relevant experience then ask them to vote in a partisan manner. Simple.

 

[gringo2011]

that's my point, you can't make those statements until you have the evidence to support it. if you make the statement provide the evidence. the evidence he provided has been completely debunked. he blatantly lied and his supporters are refusing to acknowledge it.

there is no wait and see what he raised, because what he raised was completely and utterly debunked.

it's just birthed all these conspiracy theories, further division and angst.

there's no grander plan to his statement so i'm not sure why people are again trying to deflect away from what he said and what has been disproved or trying to minimise what he did.

there's a line in the sand you do not cross and that is trust within the democratic process which underpins how society operates peacefully. you take that away and you end up down the path of conflict.

if biden did this i would be ropeable. if obama did it i would be. it wouldn't matter what party affiliation they have it's seriously wrong and there needs to be a hardline approach to it.

It's like if in 2009 our club had refused to accept the result of the GF, it was a non goal, Rooke kicked after the siren and we want to be declared the winner. You just come out looking like a deluded sad loser who can't accept the system isn't ideal when everything doesn't advantage you personally.

 

[gringo2011]

they're not conservatives, they are anti-liberal. there's a big difference.

conservatives wouldn't tolerate the sh*t trump is doing now because it undermines their country and the blatant lies go against what is at their core of their beliefs... at least that would be their public stance ;-)

The hard right are frightening. The same with the far left. That's why I like the centrists. Turnbull was like my grandparents conservatives, he was a steady as she goes captain sensible, Abbott was a step towards the US kind of wrecker for populism but then to get to the US style of right wing ultra conservative you'd have to take a running leap to even get close. Morrison has touches with his religious stuff and Dutton has that kind of fascist vibe but we aren't even in the same ball park thank god.

 

[gringo2011]

You can't prove a negative.

There will always be accusations of fraud. When the independent bodies complete any investigation turning up no evidence, they then become a part of the cover up conspiracy.

You have taken a non-falsifiable opinion based on no evidence.

Carl Sagan famously asserted that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Claims don't get much more extraordinary than allegations of wide scale election fraud and there is literally 0 credible evidence.

I think he knows he's gone but he's going to kick the walls in and shit on their beds before he leaves. He's just setting of a hand grenade on his way out.

 

[gringo2011]

I try to see and appreciate both sides of a story ..it appears the only thing you know about Project Veritas is what it says on Wikipedia and as that doesn't suit your narrative you are happy to just leave it at that.

I find it hard to see how people have no faith in traditional media but will follow commentators with strong obvious agendas and take it as gospel. I know sensible people who do it and it blows my mind. Journalism has slipped a long way but traditional media still has a toe in facts and unbiased reportage.

 

[gringo2011]

lol

I had to read comments to know what the **** that meant. I'm not as smart as I like to think I am.

 

[Ceanag]

I find it hard to see how people have no faith in traditional media but will follow commentators with strong obvious agendas and take it as gospel. I know sensible people who do it and it blows my mind. Journalism has slipped a long way but traditional media still has a toe in facts and unbiased reportage.

I would be interested in which "traditional media" you have faith in ... Please don't say CNN ..

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

It's like if in 2009 our club had refused to accept the result of the GF, it was a non goal, Rooke kicked after the siren and we want to be declared the winner. You just come out looking like a deluded sad loser who can't accept the system isn't ideal when everything doesn't advantage you personally.

The 2009 grand final is a fake result and geelong winning is fake news

 

[StFly]

It's like if in 2009 our club had refused to accept the result of the GF, it was a non goal, Rooke kicked after the siren and we want to be declared the winner. You just come out looking like a deluded sad loser who can't accept the system isn't ideal when everything doesn't advantage you personally.

Should be demanding the AFL change the history though. Not 12.8, is 11.9 but the false narrative still exists as nothing changes except a scorebook and as such, history.

Until such a time that it is, the AFL CBF and nothing is sacred.

We at least win the moral argument in that case.

 

[gringo2011]

I would be interested in which "traditional media" you have faith in ... Please don't say CNN ..

I think traditional media is very poor these days but dismissing traditional media but religiously following youtube commentators with political agendas is hard for me to understand. I get people don't rate the trad media but to then have absolute faith in fringe nutters takes a bit to get my head around. Media is held to standards of account, new media is frontier land with no sheriff.

We know a senior partner at a commercial law firm who is full Qanon, she started off by going to South America and having ayahuasca and going anti-vax, then the next minute she posts about pedo tunnels and Covid hoax stuff. She thinks Trump is some kind of angel sent to fix the evils of humanity. She's getting booted from her firm because she's embarrassing them and she says it's some kind of sign or some shit. It's insane. She spends hours a day watching these nut job you tubers, most of her friends and family are cut off. If she was into Islam in the same way she's be on a watch list.

 

[gringo2011]

Should be demanding the AFL change the history though. Not 12.8, is 11.9 but the false narrative still exists as nothing changes except a scorebook and as such, history.

Until such a time that it is, the AFL CBF and nothing is sacred.

We at least win the moral argument in that case.

I'm going to call Trump and see if he's got a lawyer that could help.

'Beyond cringe': Rudy Giuliani caught in hotel scene in new ‘Borat’ film

The scene shot in a New York hotel room — which resulted in Giuliani calling police — includes a moment when he is seen lying on a bed with his shirt untucked.

www.smh.com.au

 

[gringo2011]

Sounds like Biden is getting on top in Georgia.

 

[Verdun]

 

[Hubnester]

Sounds like Biden is getting on top in Georgia.

Has taken the lead but not in the clear yet.
Apparently the military based absentee results could yet swing things again.

 

[Ceanag]

I think traditional media is very poor these days but dismissing traditional media but religiously following youtube commentators with political agendas is hard for me to understand. I get people don't rate the trad media but to then have absolute faith in fringe nutters takes a bit to get my head around. Media is held to standards of account, new media is frontier land with no sheriff.

We know a senior partner at a commercial law firm who is full Qanon, she started off by going to South America and having ayahuasca and going anti-vax, then the next minute she posts about pedo tunnels and Covid hoax stuff. She thinks Trump is some kind of angel sent to fix the evils of humanity. She's getting booted from her firm because she's embarrassing them and she says it's some kind of sign or some sh*t. It's insane. She spends hours a day watching these nut job you tubers, most of her friends and family are cut off. If she was into Islam in the same way she's be on a watch list.

I read many mainstream media news sites Australian,British and American I find it is necessary to find a balance eg in the States it is Fox vs every other media outlet but if you read for eg CNN and Fox you can get the same story but with a totally different spin on it ..
If I find a story I am interested in I will often research it using left, right and more obscure views ...why... because I am looking for the balance and not just one skewed opinion.
I am not a Qanon believer or a Project Veritas cultist ..but I like to keep myself informed and will never take at face value anything the MSM or any media outlet for that matter says as gospel.

 

[flyingmagic]

Has taken the lead but not in the clear yet.
Apparently the military based absentee results could yet swing things again.

Most of them have already been counted. But some are still outstanding and may arrive late (there were 5,000 that were not retured). It will back for a recount regardless, but you would rather be Biden.

 

[Ceanag]

I think traditional media is very poor these days but dismissing traditional media but religiously following youtube commentators with political agendas is hard for me to understand. I get people don't rate the trad media but to then have absolute faith in fringe nutters takes a bit to get my head around. Media is held to standards of account, new media is frontier land with no sheriff.

We know a senior partner at a commercial law firm who is full Qanon, she started off by going to South America and having ayahuasca and going anti-vax, then the next minute she posts about pedo tunnels and Covid hoax stuff. She thinks Trump is some kind of angel sent to fix the evils of humanity. She's getting booted from her firm because she's embarrassing them and she says it's some kind of sign or some sh*t. It's insane. She spends hours a day watching these nut job you tubers, most of her friends and family are cut off. If she was into Islam in the same way she's be on a watch list.

You made a comment stating " I find it hard to see how people have no faith in traditional media" and in your response above you didn't answer the question I asked re what traditional media YOU put your faith in ... in fact you sidestepped the question and went of on a tangent.