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[George]

Republicans diving to the depths


Rev. Wendell Anthony, the head of the Detroit branch of the NAACP, harshly criticized Palmer's suggestion to exclude Detroit from the county's certification of results.
"You have extracted a Black city out of a county and said the only one that I have fault against is the city of Detroit, where 80% of the people who reside here are African Americans. Shame on you," Anthony said. "Shame on you for leading to this level of corruption. You have disavowed your right to even sit in the seat that you occupy. You are a disgrace as it relates to the ability to have a free and impartial election in this nation."
Edith Lee-Payne, who worked as a supervisor of poll workers at the TCF Center in Detroit where the city's absentee ballots were counted, laid out the step-by-step process of how absentee ballots were counted, hoping to discredit any suggestions of fraud.
She shared that at one point a Republican poll challenger approached her in a way that made her afraid for her life. To put into perspective how hurtful the delay in certification was to her, Lee-Payne reflected on joining the march on Washington with Dr. Martin Luther King when she was 12 years old.

Tell me what does race have to do with an inability to certify election results?

Are you going to gloss over these comments because it doesn't suit the narrative you want to believe in?

Or can we discuss objectively?

 

[pebblesofsand]

Stuff the independent news source and hearsay, here it is straight from the horses mouth;




Now what I expect is everyone to get on the defensive and gloss over these disgraceful comments. Although I hope that is not the case. This is what happens when you only take in what you want to take in.

Seems to me he's making a very valid point.

Why did the Republicans accept the voting irregularities in a predominantly white Trump voting city but seek to reject voting with the same irregularities in a predominantly black Biden voting city? He's called it racism, and he's right to call it out.

If he's wrong and they've been incorrectly vilified for being racist then he should retract and call them out for being just plain corrupt.

 

[George]

If he's wrong and they've been incorrectly vilified for being racist then he should retract and call them out for being just plain corrupt.

Yes he should retract and apologise.

Does anyone really think these two didn't certify because they hate african americans?

 

[Verdun]

Lot of people on both sides on here hung up about race.

 

[George]

Lot of people on both sides on here hung up about race.

I just don't like how quick people are to label others as this or that without actually knowing. That doesn't just go for race that goes for anything. If there's a well documented history of similar behaviours then there's merit to it but in this case there is absolutely nothing. It is irresponsible. It's an easy out when you have nothing else.

 

[Verdun]

I just don't like how quick people are to label others as this or that without actually knowing. That doesn't just go for race that goes for anything. If there's a well documented history of similar behaviours then there's merit to it but in this case there is absolutely nothing. It is irresponsible.

Yes you have made that point, several times quite strongly!!.

On the other hand racism should not be left unchecked.

 

[CursingFijian]

Just for the record I put my hand up I had read outdated news, and then I took your advice and looked into what happened and the 2-2 tie was changed to 4-0 because of apparent character assassination and slander. From what I read they were labelled racists because they couldn't verify the results. Is this what you would call democracy?

I support everything you support if done without the need to character assassinate in the process.

I think they were labelled racists because they baselessly, meaning without evidence, refused to accept the will of Detroit voters which is a majority Black city. Can't trust those people of colour to vote legally can we George. And soooo many of them voted for Biden, it's gotta be fraudulent. They just shouldn't be counted - just remove the predominantly black city from the county.

George do you get paid by the post to moderate this forum? Because you appear to be trolling.

Why are you so touchy about any poster who brings up racism in the conversation about any subject? Do you think it doesn't exist? Do you think people who bring it up are whingers who need to harden up and just push on? Do you think your 'no need to play the racism card' is a way to silence people who live that experience daily? How do people of colour, like me, communicate the hardships that we face George, when people like you in positions of authority no less keep saying hush baby, stop crying?

Do you have racist tendencies George?

 

[Ceanag]

Is anybody concerned about the price of fish these days ...

 

[Verdun]

Is anybody concerned about the price of fish these days ...

Can't get a kilo of flathead for under $35, used to be able to make curried scallops now I can't afford to by 6.

Need to catch your own.

 

[George]

Yes you have made that point, several times quite strongly!!.

On the other hand racism should not be left unchecked.

I agree. Seems to me my view gets lost in translation quite a bit. My response wasn't to you specifically.

I think they were labelled racists because they baselessly, meaning without evidence, refused to accept the will of Detroit voters which is a majority Black city. Can't trust those people of colour to vote legally can we George. And soooo many of them voted for Biden, it's gotta be fraudulent. They just shouldn't be counted - just remove the predominantly black city from the county.

George do you get paid by the post to moderate this forum? Because you appear to be trolling.

Why are you so touchy about any poster who brings up racism in the conversation about any subject? Do you think it doesn't exist? Do you think people who bring it up are whingers who need to harden up and just push on? Do you think your 'no need to play the racism card' is a way to silence people who live that experience daily? How do people of colour, like me, communicate the hardships that we face George, when people like you in positions of authority no less keep saying hush baby, stop crying?

Do you have racist tendencies George?

They were labelled racists because they couldn't categorically certify the results of the county. Do you honestly believe they refused because they are racist? Or is the predominantly black population just a coincidence? Would you categorically label someone as a racist if they did this? And why? Without actually knowing the reasoning behind their refusal, why would you slander them anyway? Do these two have a history of similar behaviours? If so I am right there with you - but as far as I know, they don't.

I don't like how quick people are to jump straight to racism (or any negative label) as an answer for someone's behaviour. Again, if they have a history of it and repeated behaviours then clearly there is questions that need to be asked and we can speculate with good reason. But the minute someone does something that goes against the norm we label them - and that isn't just on race, I feel the same way about any kind of label. Why do we feel the need to quickly character assassinate someone they may not deserve it just because they don't agree with us?

The rest of your post is complete nonsense, no need for the insinuations - it's cheap and isn't needed. I respect you and your views, why cant you do the same.

Do you think unsubstantiated accusations of calling people racists is good or bad? Because this is what this was. You are assuming they didn't certify because they dislike african americans. And now you are speaking as if that assumption is fact. That is dangerous my friend.

Edit: For what it's worth I believe systemic racism exists and racism in general. My issue is more to do with the quick labelling or others - it just so happens that the race card is used moreso than any other card.

 

[Ceanag]

Can't get a kilo of flathead for under $35, used to be able to make curried scallops now I can't afford to by 6.

Need to catch your own.

Yeah the price of Flathead is ridiculous ...not even my favourite fish.
I like saddletail snapper,pink ling and those little sand whiting deep fried whole.

 

[Verdun]

Yeah the price of Flathead is ridiculous ...not even my favourite fish.
I like saddletail snapper,pink ling and those little sand whiting deep fried whole.

Cooked pink ling last weekend in a pie with hot english mustard and mashed spuds and cheese on the top ....yum. Pink Ling has a great taste to it.

 

[Ceanag]

Cooked pink ling last weekend in a pie with hot english mustard and mashed spuds and cheese on the top ....yum. Pink Ling has a great taste to it.

I like it steamed,chinese style.

 

[Verdun]

I agree. Seems to me my view gets lost in translation quite a bit. My response wasn't to you specifically.


They were labelled racists because they couldn't categorically certify the results of the county. Do you honestly believe they refused because they are racist? Or is the predominantly black population just a coincidence? Would you categorically label someone as a racist if they did this? And why? Without actually knowing the reasoning behind their refusal, why would you slander them anyway? Do these two have a history of similar behaviours? If so I am right there with you - but as far as I know, they don't.

I don't like how quick people are to jump straight to racism (or any negative label) as an answer for someone's behaviour. Again, if they have a history of it and repeated behaviours then clearly there is questions that need to be asked and we can speculate with good reason. But the minute someone does something that goes against the norm we label them - and that isn't just on race, I feel the same way about any kind of label. Why do we feel the need to quickly character assassinate someone they may not deserve it just because they don't agree with us?

The rest of your post is complete nonsense, no need for the insinuations - it's cheap and isn't needed. I respect you and your views, why cant you do the same.

Do you think unsubstantiated accusations of calling people racists is good or bad? Because this is what this was. You are assuming they didn't certify because they dislike african americans. And now you are speaking as if that assumption is fact. That is dangerous my friend.

Edit: For what it's worth I believe systemic racism exists and racism in general. My issue is more to do with the quick labelling or others - it just so happens that the race card is used moreso than any other card.

Did not believe it was directed to me, but my comment was directed to you.

You have made your point on people 'jumping to racism' repeatedly which I disagree with.

The new political correctness - do not call out any racism as it may offend someone. No one is allowed to call out racism.



That's fine.

 

[Verdun]

I like it steamed,chinese style.

Yeah keeps the flavour, the way I cooked it in the pie was almost criminal but damn it tasted good.

 

[Ceanag]

The new political correctness - do not call out any racism as it may offend someone. No one is allowed to call out racism.

I concur ... and that is all I have to say on the matter.

 

[George]

Did not believe it was directed to me, but my comment was directed to you.

You have made your point on people 'jumping to racism' repeatedly which I disagree with.

The new political correctness - do not call out any racism as it may offend someone. No one is allowed to call out racism.



That's fine.

Calling out racism and labelling people racists are two different things. For me calling out racism is an event and is absolutely fine, I am with you there. Call it out. For me a racist is someone who has similar repeated behaviours. I think there can be people who say or do something racist (once) but aren't actually racist - they may just be ignorant. This is completely off topic but look at Goodes' comments regarding that child. I wouldn't say she's a racist but her actions were racist. Not sure if I explained that well enough LOL but hope it makes sense. Understandably that was a child and in this case they are adults - but it brings me back to my original point - we are speculating on their intentions.

If we have the ability to understand people make mistakes and can learn from it then why paint them with a brush like that. If they do it once unknowingly, learn from it and don't do it again then I think that is very different to someone who repeats their behaviours over a longer period of time / doesn't learn that their actions were offensive.

It seems people are happy to label someone racist based on speculation and no prior history - that is fine. I am not prepared to do that.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I think they were labelled racists because they baselessly, meaning without evidence, refused to accept the will of Detroit voters which is a majority Black city. Can't trust those people of colour to vote legally can we George. And soooo many of them voted for Biden, it's gotta be fraudulent. They just shouldn't be counted - just remove the predominantly black city from the county.

George do you get paid by the post to moderate this forum? Because you appear to be trolling.

Why are you so touchy about any poster who brings up racism in the conversation about any subject? Do you think it doesn't exist? Do you think people who bring it up are whingers who need to harden up and just push on? Do you think your 'no need to play the racism card' is a way to silence people who live that experience daily? How do people of colour, like me, communicate the hardships that we face George, when people like you in positions of authority no less keep saying hush baby, stop crying?

Do you have racist tendencies George?

Ridiculous post from a normally good poster.

 

[CursingFijian]

I agree. Seems to me my view gets lost in translation quite a bit. My response wasn't to you specifically.


They were labelled racists because they couldn't categorically certify the results of the county. Do you honestly believe they refused because they are racist? Or is the predominantly black population just a coincidence? Would you categorically label someone as a racist if they did this? And why? Without actually knowing the reasoning behind their refusal, why would you slander them anyway? Do these two have a history of similar behaviours? If so I am right there with you - but as far as I know, they don't.

I don't like how quick people are to jump straight to racism (or any negative label) as an answer for someone's behaviour. Again, if they have a history of it and repeated behaviours then clearly there is questions that need to be asked and we can speculate with good reason. But the minute someone does something that goes against the norm we label them - and that isn't just on race, I feel the same way about any kind of label. Why do we feel the need to quickly character assassinate someone they may not deserve it just because they don't agree with us?

The rest of your post is complete nonsense, no need for the insinuations - it's cheap and isn't needed. I respect you and your views, why cant you do the same.

Do you think unsubstantiated accusations of calling people racists is good or bad? Because this is what this was. You are assuming they didn't certify because they dislike african americans. And now you are speaking as if that assumption is fact. That is dangerous my friend.

Edit: For what it's worth I believe systemic racism exists and racism in general. My issue is more to do with the quick labelling or others - it just so happens that the race card is used moreso than any other card.

No George, they were labelled racist because people much closer to that situation than you and I feel that they were deliberately targeting a city with a majority of voters who are people of colour because that will achieve their political goals. You are pushing your pro trump, anti-democrat line while trying to appear unbiased by continously inserting disclaimers like...'maybe they are racist, and if they are then I'm on your side, but I just don't know'.

Americans are good, decent people in the main, and I'm pretty confident they will sort this political dilemma out one way or another. Like ALL of us they have their issues, but again I am pretty sure that if things really get tough most will pull together to do the right thing.

I have right to call people out if I think they are treating me unfairly because of the colour of my skin. I have a right to call people out if they are treating my children unfairly because of the colour of their skin. I have the right to call people out if they are treating complete strangers unfairly because of the colour of their skin. You do not have the right to ask me to hush when I do. You can tell me I'm wrong and why you think so, and I'll listen.

Ridiculous post from a normally good poster.

Which part is ridiculous?

 

[Ceanag]

Some here cannot understand why Trump believes he has a chance to win the 2020 election.
The video I have linked is rather long but the pertinent part is the first 3.30 mins with comment by attorney Alan Dershowitz.
It appears it's not the small recounts or localised fraud which will be the deciding factor ..there is a bigger game at play and I believe this first 3.30 mins will explain what is happening in a balanced non partisan way.... make of it what you will.

 

[George]

No George, they were labelled racist because people much closer to that situation than you and I feel that they were deliberately targeting a city with a majority of voters who are people of colour because that will achieve their political goals. You are pushing your pro trump, anti-democrat line while trying to appear unbiased by continously inserting disclaimers like...'maybe they are racist, and if they are then I'm on your side, but I just don't know'.

Americans are good, decent people in the main, and I'm pretty confident they will sort this political dilemma out one way or another. Like ALL of us they have their issues, but again I am pretty sure that if things really get tough most will pull together to do the right thing.

I have right to call people out if I think they are treating me unfairly because of the colour of my skin. I have a right to call people out if they are treating my children unfairly because of the colour of their skin. I have the right to call people out if they are treating complete strangers unfairly because of the colour of their skin. You do not have the right to ask me to hush when I do. You can tell me I'm

Which part is ridiculous?

People felt that they were doing it because of the people in that city. That's an assumption - and that assumption may in fact hold more weight than any other group of people given how close they are to the situation - but the fact remains it is an assumption. I haven't seen anything over a long period of time from either of these people that would lead me to believe they are racists. I don't want to base my opinion on an assumption. If there's evidence of these two with a history of such behaviour then yes - they are racist and should be labelled as such.

You think me being objective is pro trump and anti democrat? By saying I don't know for certain, is that what that is to you? So by comparison, knowing the unknown and being subjective is a democrat trait? In that case I will happily stick to objectivity.

Agree on your second point.

On your third point - you are well within your right to do whatever you wish but again I'll ask you - how do you know what their intentions were? You are basing your opinion off an assumption, unless I am mistaken. Again I will ask you - Do these two have a history of similar behaviours?

Unless something else comes out in the next few days regarding the two in question, this is all we actually know;

Couldn't certify the results because they are racists - Unsubstantiated
History of racial vilification - No
Prior comments, actions or behaviours that would label them racists - No

If that changes then my opinion will change. I am not defending them as much as I am defending people who are falsely labelled and reputations ruined based on assumptions.

 

[Jay Beast]

The willingness of people to dismiss anything which does not fit their view of the world or something they have never heard before as automatically a "conspiracy theory" marks a real downward spiral in intelligent conversation.

I cannot stand the use of "conspiracy theory" - it just shows the other person has nothing to offer to the conversation and they think they win points by insinuating the other person is crazy. It may give you a warm feeling doing it and make you think you "won" the argument but actually you and everyone else is dumber for the experience.

It is a blight on social discord and I hope we get to a day where the first person to utter these words in any exchange is considered the intellectual loser.

On the flip side, if you are going to challenge a mainstream narrative - have your s**t together!
Make sure you understand the arguments, the counter arguments, have stats and reliable sources as references. Make sure you have reconciled the contradictions in your arguments.
And for goodness sake be able enunciate your argument logically!
Otherwise just be quiet - you are doing everyone else a disservice.

Conspiracies do happen and they are very common - and they always start as theories prior to being proven as fact.

 

[George]

Some here cannot understand why Trump believes he has a chance to win the 2020 election.
The video I have linked is rather long but the pertinent part is the first 3.30 mins with comment by attorney Alan Dershowitz.
It appears it's not the small recounts or localised fraud which will be the deciding factor ..there is a bigger game at play and I believe this first 3.30 mins will explain what is happening in a balanced non partisan way.... make of it what you will.

I've never seen a country in a shambles more than this. They can shoot people to the moon, they can create vaccines for viruses never seen before, yet they can't get a computer to count votes properly. It's a mess. They should introduce election reform or something for the next election.

 

[Jay Beast]

I've never seen a country in a shambles more than this. They can shoot people to the moon, they can create vaccines for viruses never seen before, yet they can't get a computer to count votes properly. It's a mess. They should introduce election reform or something for the next election.

The older Diebold machine were the same - designed to be exploited.
But I reckon you already know that.
Hope we can all simply agree that we should never let our elections be infiltrated by these machines.

 

[George]

The older Diebold machine were the same - designed to be exploited.
But I reckon you already know that.
Hope we can all simply agree that we should never let our elections be infiltrated by these machines.

Yeah there's fraud in every election, just depends on what kind of scale that is.