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[Pardon me]

Can't get a kilo of flathead for under $35, used to be able to make curried scallops now I can't afford to by 6.

Need to catch your own.

Tooradin fisho mate - $22 kilo
Edit: forgot you aren’t in Vic Verdun, apologies and ignore this mate

 

[Ceanag]

Tooradin fisho mate - $22 kilo
Edit: forgot you aren’t in Vic Verdun, apologies and ignore this mate

That's a great price ...and much more realistic given the proliferation of the little spiky buggers on our doorstep in Port Phillip bay....and Westernport.

 

[PoppedCorn]

6 day lockdown...

Had a 4 day weekend booked already


Both essential workers
So technically when we go back to work we will only have to put up with shit for the last two days of the semi lockdown
Because ya know its only for 6 days then theres an easing of restrictions

 

[gringo2011]

Thanks for the dig, typical of the left. How about doing some of your own research. Start with Ned Staebler. Refused to certify before he came along calling them both racists . It's a trusted gameplan. Slander and character assassinate to get what you want.

The fact you have chosen to gloss over this point tells more about you than it does about me. You seem okay with this kind of behaviour and then take issue with a contested election threatening democracy. Funny!

That's what I don't get. Trump literally insults and slanders everyone in his line of sight. Even his own staff after he inevitably takes exception to them. I don't know what you watch but you have a totally opposite view of what others do. No wonder you think it's all a big conspiracy and others think he's a guiding angel on earth to save mankind. They seem to leave out a lot of his abrasive behaviour in your alternative media.

 

[George]

That's what I don't get. Trump literally insults and slanders everyone in his line of sight. Even his own staff after he inevitably takes exception to them. I don't know what you watch but you have a totally opposite view of what others do. No wonder you think it's all a big conspiracy and others think he's a guiding angel on earth to save mankind. They seem to leave out a lot of his abrasive behaviour in your alternative media.

And they seem to constantly lie and character assassinate in your media

When have I ever said it's a big conspiracy?
I watch both media so unlike the subjectivity going on in this thread I am happy to put my hand up when I am wrong or change my opinion. If you only listen to one side that's what you'll believe.

 

[Mowman]

Is anybody concerned about the price of fish these days ...

Only when i have to buy it

 

[gringo2011]

Supporting an elections results being verified. So sad.


How? You still haven't answered the question either;

From what I read they were labelled racists because they couldn't verify the results. Is this what you would call democracy?

Are the democrats ever wrong in your eyes? When do we start discussing objectively?

Or maybe he just is racist

How the Trump Campaign is Trying to Suppress the Black Vote

Efforts to suppress the Black vote may be front and center in 2020, but they’re nothing new

time.com

Trump 2016 campaign 'targeted 3.5m black Americans to deter them from voting'

Secret effort allegedly focused on 16 swing states, several narrowly won by Trump after the black Democrat vote collapsed

www.theguardian.com

Trump campaign tried to deter millions of Black Americans from voting in 2016, new report says

In 2018, it was revealed that the campaign to elect Donald Trump worked with Cambridge Analytica, a political consulting firm notorious for collecting the personal information of tens of millions of Facebook users without their permission. Now, we…

www.mic.com

 

[gringo2011]

Can't get a kilo of flathead for under $35, used to be able to make curried scallops now I can't afford to by 6.

Need to catch your own.

At least you can down there. You'd be more likely to catch hepatitis than fish in Port Phillip Bay.

 

[George]

Or maybe he just is racist

How the Trump Campaign is Trying to Suppress the Black Vote

Efforts to suppress the Black vote may be front and center in 2020, but they’re nothing new

time.com

Trump 2016 campaign 'targeted 3.5m black Americans to deter them from voting'

Secret effort allegedly focused on 16 swing states, several narrowly won by Trump after the black Democrat vote collapsed

www.theguardian.com

Trump campaign tried to deter millions of Black Americans from voting in 2016, new report says

In 2018, it was revealed that the campaign to elect Donald Trump worked with Cambridge Analytica, a political consulting firm notorious for collecting the personal information of tens of millions of Facebook users without their permission. Now, we…

www.mic.com

What does my post that you quoted have anything to do with Trump?

People who have more of an idea than we both do think otherwise given he has the most votes from minorities from a republican candidate in 60 years.

Just ask yourself - why does it seem that one side (the left) is always correct and the other aren't? They (the right) are labelled as anything to delegitimize their opinion. Don't you take issue with that? Do you ever wonder that perhaps what you are reading is propaganda rather than news?

Wouldn't it be sensible to take in a bit of both sides and make your mind up from there?

72 million voted for Trump - do you see them all the same? Do they all have no clue?

 

[gringo2011]

No George, they were labelled racist because people much closer to that situation than you and I feel that they were deliberately targeting a city with a majority of voters who are people of colour because that will achieve their political goals. You are pushing your pro trump, anti-democrat line while trying to appear unbiased by continously inserting disclaimers like...'maybe they are racist, and if they are then I'm on your side, but I just don't know'.

Americans are good, decent people in the main, and I'm pretty confident they will sort this political dilemma out one way or another. Like ALL of us they have their issues, but again I am pretty sure that if things really get tough most will pull together to do the right thing.

I have right to call people out if I think they are treating me unfairly because of the colour of my skin. I have a right to call people out if they are treating my children unfairly because of the colour of their skin. I have the right to call people out if they are treating complete strangers unfairly because of the colour of their skin. You do not have the right to ask me to hush when I do. You can tell me I'm wrong and why you think so, and I'll listen.

Which part is ridiculous?

And tried to deter African American voters before the election, and in the 2016 election. If you target voters based on a racial profile you are being racist IMO.

 

[George]

And tried to deter African American voters before the election, and in the 2016 election. If you target voters based on a racial profile you are being racist IMO.

Yet they voted for him in historic numbers.

 

[CursingFijian]

People felt that they were doing it because of the people in that city. That's an assumption - and that assumption may in fact hold more weight than any other group of people given how close they are to the situation - but the fact remains it is an assumption. I haven't seen anything over a long period of time from either of these people that would lead me to believe they are racists. I don't want to base my opinion on an assumption. If there's evidence of these two with a history of such behaviour then yes - they are racist and should be labelled as such.

You think me being objective is pro trump and anti democrat? By saying I don't know for certain, is that what that is to you? So by comparison, knowing the unknown and being subjective is a democrat trait? In that case I will happily stick to objectivity.

Agree on your second point.

On your third point - you are well within your right to do whatever you wish but again I'll ask you - how do you know what their intentions were? You are basing your opinion off an assumption, unless I am mistaken. Again I will ask you - Do these two have a history of similar behaviours?

Unless something else comes out in the next few days regarding the two in question, this is all we actually know;

Couldn't certify the results because they are racists - Unsubstantiated
History of racial vilification - No
Prior comments, actions or behaviours that would label them racists - No

If that changes then my opinion will change. I am not defending them as much as I am defending people who are falsely labelled and reputations ruined based on assumptions.

There is no indication of voting irregularity in Detroit. No evidence has been presented to indicate widespread fraud. This should not be interpreted as zero fraud occurred, or zero clerical errors occurred. Just that there is not even a semblance of enough to raise the alarm bells. This is purely a case of the GOP pressuring their state representatives to make an unjustifiable decision to disenfranchise the vote of over two hundred thousand people. They have quite deliberately chosen to try to invalidate the vote in Detroit because it's a game changer. Of the 250,219 ballots cast, only 12,654 were for a Trump/Pence presidency.

Now it may be all about the math, but if someone comes out and points out the hypocrisy in these same state representatives not taking a similar position on other predominantly white counties with a greater percentage of irregular votes saying they have covered themselves in the stench of racism I think he has some basis for that claim. Given that he works alongside the people he is calling out, I'd say he probably has more than half a leg to stand on. But at the very best you could say that this is not entrenched racism, this is just electoral corruption by the very kind of swamp creature Trump claims he needs to drain from the swamp.

You aren't being objective George. So just own it. I really don't care which side of the political fence you fall down on, as you are entitled to your own political view.

And I'm not trying to convert you either. I just feel the need to rail against some of the disinformation that gets posted here because it's not healthy to the many. Unchecked it obscures peoples vision, and creates doubt and division. It's ironic that we are bashing the mainstream media while posting tweets and articles that are very loosely grounded in any truth.

That doesn't mean we can't continue our conversation about American politics. Tell me what you think and why you think it. I promise I will consider your views.

I didn't think Biden would win this election. I didn't expect the voter turnout would occur, and I certainly didn't expect Republicans in deep red states to reject the Trump/Pence presidency like they did in Arizona. I did think for a little while that Donald was going to force a constitutional crisis and overturn the election. I no longer believe this. I think it would take the Pennsylvania result being overturned for my ears to prick back up again. I do think that Republicans will win at least one Georgian seat in the runoff and the Biden presidency will be a nightmare.

I do hope that Trump is consigned to the political scrap heap where I think he belongs and I hope a more inclusive republican voice emerges.

 

[Ceanag]

Or maybe he just is racist

How the Trump Campaign is Trying to Suppress the Black Vote

Efforts to suppress the Black vote may be front and center in 2020, but they’re nothing new

time.com

Trump 2016 campaign 'targeted 3.5m black Americans to deter them from voting'

Secret effort allegedly focused on 16 swing states, several narrowly won by Trump after the black Democrat vote collapsed

www.theguardian.com

Trump campaign tried to deter millions of Black Americans from voting in 2016, new report says

In 2018, it was revealed that the campaign to elect Donald Trump worked with Cambridge Analytica, a political consulting firm notorious for collecting the personal information of tens of millions of Facebook users without their permission. Now, we…

www.mic.com

"Black or Latino Trump voters may know quite well that racism exists, or that Trump is racist, yet not prioritize it to the degree that the woke consensus assumes any sensible person would. "

The Black People Who Voted for Trump Know He’s Racist

Trump’s nonwhite support suggests a gulf between how the “woke” left processes racism and how many people in the real world do.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[gringo2011]

What does my post that you quoted have anything to do with Trump?

People who have more of an idea than we both do think otherwise given he has the most votes from minorities from a republican candidate in 60 years.

Just ask yourself - why does it seem that one side (the left) is always correct and the other aren't? They (the right) are labelled as anything to delegitimize their opinion. Don't you take issue with that? Do you ever wonder that perhaps what you are reading is propaganda rather than news?

Wouldn't it be sensible to take in a bit of both sides and make your mind up from there?

72 million voted for Trump - do you see them all the same? Do they all have no clue?

It could be, but yours looks more like it to me. I like to think I'm pretty considered. Trump's actions and history don't smack of someone with morals, ethics, good judgement, anything that helps the poor, anything that MAGA, anything that is positive as far a a civil society goes, has no respect for laws or systems and look like an opportunist in politics like he was an opportunist in business. The US looks more like a divided fractured hostile nation with a fingernails grip on holding off a civil war under his watch.

He's done more damage to their democracy and society than anyone could ever imagine one person capable. I just can't see what people are seeing in him.

This tweet is really simple but it kind of hits harder than people like me waffling on.

 

[StCicatriz]

Yet they voted for him in historic numbers.

how do they know that?

 

[Dard Ball Get]

And tried to deter African American voters before the election, and in the 2016 election. If you target voters based on a racial profile you are being racist IMO.

Like, “if you don’t vote for me you ain’t black” type targeting?
Both side are ****ed with their shenanigans. A lot of the lefts campaign was run on race, which backfired in isolation.

 

[George]

There is no indication of voting irregularity in Detroit. No evidence has been presented to indicate widespread fraud. This should not be interpreted as zero fraud occurred, or zero clerical errors occurred. Just that there is not even a semblance of enough to raise the alarm bells. This is purely a case of the GOP pressuring their state representatives to make an unjustifiable decision to disenfranchise the vote of over two hundred thousand people. They have quite deliberately chosen to try to invalidate the vote in Detroit because it's a game changer. Of the 250,219 ballots cast, only 12,654 were for a Trump/Pence presidency.

Now it may be all about the math, but if someone comes out and points out the hypocrisy in these same state representatives not taking a similar position on other predominantly white counties with a greater percentage of irregular votes saying they have covered themselves in the stench of racism I think he has some basis for that claim. Given that he works alongside the people he is calling out, I'd say he probably has more than half a leg to stand on. But at the very best you could say that this is not entrenched racism, this is just electoral corruption by the very kind of swamp creature Trump claims he needs to drain from the swamp.

You aren't being objective George. So just own it. I really don't care which side of the political fence you fall down on, as you are entitled to your own political view.

And I'm not trying to convert you either. I just feel the need to rail against some of the disinformation that gets posted here because it's not healthy to the many. Unchecked it obscures peoples vision, and creates doubt and division. It's ironic that we are bashing the mainstream media while posting tweets and articles that are very loosely grounded in any truth.

That doesn't mean we can't continue our conversation about American politics. Tell me what you think and why you think it. I promise I will consider your views.

I didn't think Biden would win this election. I didn't expect the voter turnout would occur, and I certainly didn't expect Republicans in deep red states to reject the Trump/Pence presidency like they did in Arizona. I did think for a little while that Donald was going to force a constitutional crisis and overturn the election. I no longer believe this. I think it would take the Pennsylvania result being overturned for my ears to prick back up again. I do think that Republicans will win at least one Georgian seat in the runoff and the Biden presidency will be a nightmare.

I do hope that Trump is consigned to the political scrap heap where I think he belongs and I hope a more inclusive republican voice emerges.

Thanks mate - this is far better than some of the nonsense that has been posted in here earlier. At least you articulated your point and I can see where you are coming from so no issues on my end. This is far more believable that there's racism behind their actions than just saying it is so.

In regards to American politics I think it's a shitshow and I don't think Biden will be any better for America than Trump. In saying that though I think the whole system is broken, why we still continue to push along this archaic political system is beyond me. They are very precious about their constitution but what good are some of the amendments in today's society? I don't know why we as a society continue to partake in voting for people we know aren't going to make actual change. If I wouldn't be fined for not voting, I wouldn't vote. I'm Labor in this country and tend to lean Republican in the states but really I am not completely in love with Trump either. He has made some obvious errors during his time as President, notably the COVID disaster which admittedly should've been handled better.

We need a complete overhaul of how much power media has over us. They are propaganda machines now and they rarely if ever report the news truthfully. I'm actually more against them than anyone from the Democrat party. If Biden ends up being confirmed, I honestly won't care as much as probably others think. He won't do much damage to America but more importantly nothing will really change. Healthcare is about it. The actual power is in the power of the mainstream media. If they decide to report the news truthfully then society will gradually change. No politician is ever going to make the change that people want to see in their lives.

I simply just hate the subjectivity of discussion. I would have far more time and respect for people who want to discuss both sides fairly. To some people Trump has grown two horns and a tail and is about to start breathing fire. For what we have to choose between now I would go Trump, but in terms of the actual system they both sit under? Throw it in the bin

 

[gringo2011]

Yet they voted for him in historic numbers.

That's alright, it's a democracy. They have that right. You can't choose which are the ones who's votes count though.

Like, “if you don’t vote for me you ain’t black” type targeting?
Both side are f’ed with their shenanigans. A lot of the lefts campaign was run on race, which backfired in isolation.

You can have two racists running. I think Biden is more casual racist than Trump though.

 

[George]

The US looks more like a divided fractured hostile nation with a fingernails grip on holding off a civil war under his watch.

Look at how the media report things in America. Trump is a polarizing figure but the mainstream are the experts at dividing people. If you don't think they are just a propaganda machine for the Democrats then I don't know how else I can convince you.

 

[gringo2011]

Look at how the media report things in America. Trump is a polarizing figure but the mainstream are the experts at dividing people. If you don't think they are just a propaganda machine for the Democrats then I don't know how else I can convince you.

I think Trump was created by the mainstream and if it wasn't for their obsession with him he'd still be a novelty former TV star. They made him famous but they take as well as give.

 

[George]

how do they know that?

Preliminary numbers indicated that Trump had a 26% share of non-white votes - the highest percentage for a republican candidate since 1960.

What the 2020 electorate looks like by party, race and ethnicity, age, education and religion

What does the 2020 electorate look like politically, demographically and religiously as the race enters its final days?

www.pewresearch.org

 

[George]

I think Trump was created by the mainstream and if it wasn't for their obsession with him he'd still be a novelty former TV star. They made him famous but they take as well as give.

Eh, I guess I can agree with that.

I just look at how news is reported and it becomes obvious there's an agenda there. They never report the full story, only the story that pushes their anti-Trump narrative.

And I know the right has a pro-Trump agenda generally speaking - so this is why I read both sides.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Yet they voted for him in historic numbers.

Historic numbers - only problem they vote in the biggiest historic numbers for Biden

Donalds promise

Trump predicts he can win 95 percent of the black vote

Trump suggested that Democratic politicians that overwhelmingly govern in America’s inner cities have failed African-Americans.

www.politico.com

Actual outcome

An Associated Press VoteCast survey showed overall Black support for Biden @ 90%. According to the AP survey, 12% of Black men voted for Trump, while only 6% of Black women supported him.

 

[George]

Historic numbers - only problem they vote in the biggiest historic numbers for Biden

Donalds promise

Trump predicts he can win 95 percent of the black vote

Trump suggested that Democratic politicians that overwhelmingly govern in America’s inner cities have failed African-Americans.

www.politico.com

Actual outcome

An Associated Press VoteCast survey showed overall Black support for Biden @ 90%. According to the AP survey, 12% of Black men voted for Trump, while only 6% of Black women supported him.

That's great that they voted more for Biden lol it still doesn't disprove anything I said

 

[SaintsSeptember]

"Hey Steve"
"Hey Gil "
"Saints just delisted their best endurance runner, and Jarryn probably won't make their 22 next season"
"Haha, lets reduce the interchange "
"Too funny Gil, almost as good as when you got rid of the 3rd man up just after they got Hickey in "