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[35Saints35]

Gee how's that weather . Way more weather than yesterday

 

[StFly]

Gee how's that weather . Way more weather than yesterday

I was returning from work and decided to swing by Coles so that I could buy bread, and doughnuts and eat the doughnuts before I had left the building. I arrive and the rain had subsided to a light drizzle, it was great. Upon my return to the car with goods in tow because as you do, you buy more than you intended going in, I got to my car, opened the door and was in the process of sitting down to drive off when;

Thunder.
Lightning.

And some lady shrieked like a mofo and probably laid an egg or two.

I closed the door and deposited my shopping on the passenger side chair and yet more thunder. I got home, and then it pretty much pissed down on a 45 degree angle.

So I took my shopping inside, put the frozen stuff away and ran outside to run around in it like a twat and make plane noises because I can and who gives a damn. I'm pretty sure my neighbours think I'm a moron anyway, but it's better than waking up to them being druggos and a police raid I suppose. Suburbia FTW!

 

[gringo2011]

I was returning from work and decided to swing by Coles so that I could buy bread, and doughnuts and eat the doughnuts before I had left the building. I arrive and the rain had subsided to a light drizzle, it was great. Upon my return to the car with goods in tow because as you do, you buy more than you intended going in, I got to my car, opened the door and was in the process of sitting down to drive off when;

Thunder.
Lightning.

And some lady shrieked like a mofo and probably laid an egg or two.

I closed the door and deposited my shopping on the passenger side chair and yet more thunder. I got home, and then it pretty much pissed down on a 45 degree angle.

So I took my shopping inside, put the frozen stuff away and ran outside to run around in it like a twat and make plane noises because I can and who gives a damn. I'm pretty sure my neighbours think I'm a moron anyway, but it's better than waking up to them being druggos and a police raid I suppose. Suburbia FTW!

Funbury sounds like South Central LA.

 

[35Saints35]

I was returning from work and decided to swing by Coles so that I could buy bread, and doughnuts and eat the doughnuts before I had left the building. I arrive and the rain had subsided to a light drizzle, it was great. Upon my return to the car with goods in tow because as you do, you buy more than you intended going in, I got to my car, opened the door and was in the process of sitting down to drive off when;

Thunder.
Lightning.

And some lady shrieked like a mofo and probably laid an egg or two.

I closed the door and deposited my shopping on the passenger side chair and yet more thunder. I got home, and then it pretty much pissed down on a 45 degree angle.

So I took my shopping inside, put the frozen stuff away and ran outside to run around in it like a twat and make plane noises because I can and who gives a damn. I'm pretty sure my neighbours think I'm a moron anyway, but it's better than waking up to them being druggos and a police raid I suppose. Suburbia FTW!

Awesome

 

[VDS66]

Jeepers, you really weren't messing around when you said you were religious. All sounds like a good message in there. My kids have a family member who works teaching English to migrants. She set up my kids with a couple of kids from Burundi who's mum had died and so every holidays they catch up. People stare at the african kids when they are together and it's quite confronting to watch, they are just normal Aussie kids now as they get close to their teens but they can't escape the judgement their skin colour gets them. Especially here in the inner South East where black people don't exist.

Anyway when the catholics and COE folks didn't have skin colour they found scripture something to hate each other over. My wife's family is Croatian and despite the fact they are genetically the same as serbs the old folks fight over nothing but belief. Humanity is depressingly aggressive and seek to make themselves aligned to a clan, religion or country. Even football fans can "hate" someone for following a club from a suburb they live nowhere near.

My wife is also Croatian. Some of the stories about her family's oppression firstly under the Communist Yugoslav regime and also at the hands of the Serbs are frightening.

Funny enough, my father in law will not celebrate Aus Day until they remove the Union Jack from the flag.

Having gone through it himself, he has an understanding of what the Aboriginal people have gone through.

And maybe that's the key to the issue here... Aussies of Anglo descent haven't experienced genocide, oppression and being cast as 3rd class citizens, so they just cannot connect with the issue. we have never been invaded or occupied. We have never had to spill blood for our independence.

It's easy for the white fella to say that it happened long ago, so he isn't to blame... but I suspect that the Indigenous people aren't blaming us.

What they seem to want is recognition that it did happen and recognition that they were here before the Brits.

Get rid of the Jack, recognise them in the Constitution... treat them as equals and you may see things change. Until this happens, they will continue to try and rectify the injustices. And who can blame them?

 

[StFly]

Awesome

Hey, it's way more weather then yesterday, yesterday it was just cloudy and then the sun went "hey guys! Guys! Hey!" and weather people employed based on their weathering rejoiced because they got something right.

Funbury sounds like South Central LA.

Not in the slightest, I blame the 12 cinnamon doughnuts myself.

 

[Joffaboy]

Straight Outta Sunbury

 

[RoundCubic]

Cam McCarthy has returned to Freo after apparently losing 9kg in a matter of weeks and developing anxiety.
Pretty sad hope he can recover but the GWS fans all 10 of them are being absolutely feral used to have some respect for people adopting a new club but not anymore people forget these kids are kids and that Western Sydney is a hole should of based the team in Cronulla at least they have a beach

 

[gringo2011]

Cam McCarthy has returned to Freo after apparently losing 9kg in a matter of weeks and developing anxiety.
Pretty sad hope he can recover but the GWS fans all 10 of them are being absolutely feral used to have some respect for people adopting a new club but not anymore people forget these kids are kids and that Western Sydney is a hole should of based the team in Cronulla at least they have a beach

One of the posters on here is his cousin. Hope Cam is okay, it doesn't seem to pay to force players to stay.

 

[RoundCubic]

One of the posters on here is his cousin. Hope Cam is okay, it doesn't seem to pay to force players to stay.

Shit really I just wish him the best and a lot of his moms home cooking

 

[Gangnam Saint]

Just another example of why you do the deal when a player wants out. No-one wins.
What's the point?

 

[Defacto]

Cam McCarthy has returned to Freo after apparently losing 9kg in a matter of weeks and developing anxiety.
Pretty sad hope he can recover but the GWS fans all 10 of them are being absolutely feral used to have some respect for people adopting a new club but not anymore people forget these kids are kids and that Western Sydney is a hole should of based the team in Cronulla at least they have a beach

Probably should stop smoking so many bongs then hahahaha

 

[plugger66]

Just another example of why you do the deal when a player wants out. No-one wins.
What's the point?

O"Keefe wanted out of Sydney and then played in a flag. This isnt great news but sometimes you need to hold firm even if it stuffs you up just to show that a contract is a contract especially as he only signed it last season or late the season before that. Could you imagine if McCartin came from Sydney and wanted out after last season. This board would go into meltdown if we let him.

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

 

[CursingFijian]

 

[Jade Buddha]

O"Keefe wanted out of Sydney and then played in a flag. This isnt great news but sometimes you need to hold firm even if it stuffs you up just to show that a contract is a contract especially as he only signed it last season or late the season before that. Could you imagine if McCartin came from Sydney and wanted out after last season. This board would go into meltdown if we let him.

Not sure I agree. O'Keefe was already an established player, much more mature and settled in who he is. McCarthy is pretty much still a kid. I get that clubs need to be firm with contractual situations and can't just let players go whenever they want but this is a club chock full of the best young talent in the country. Surely at the end of the day a players health is paramount.

 

[plugger66]

Not sure I agree. O'Keefe was already an established player, much more mature and settled in who he is. McCarthy is pretty much still a kid. I get that clubs need to be firm with contractual situations and can't just let players go whenever they want but this is a club chock full of the best young talent in the country. Surely at the end of the day a players health is paramount.

It is paramount but I doubt they knew not letting him go would make him sick. Why the hell would he sign a three year deal and expect to go after one year. I would be blaming his manager and not the club. Clubs always think they can turn a player around if they keep them and who can blame them for that. Brown was the same at WCE.

 

[Jade Buddha]

It is paramount but I doubt they knew not letting him go would make him sick. Why the hell would he sign a three year deal and expect to go after one year. I would be blaming his manager and not the club. Clubs always think they can turn a player around if they keep them and who can blame them for that. Brown was the same at WCE.

It'd be interesting to know if GWS have a different player support structure considering their demographic and age profile. I wonder whether they anticipated situations like this. Think they may want to take a better look at this. The manager may or may not have tried to talk McCarthy into the long deal but as the rule goes they are always trying to set their clients futures up as best they can - do they have the skills to assess their mental state, not sure.

IMO this situation was always going to happen when you over stock a manufactured club up with the country's best youth. AFL should have foreseen this and tried harder to implement a better structure or situation in the new franchises where they had more senior players. Giving them the access to so much youth was always going to lead to the stockpiling and trade strategies that GWS have now implement. They will always be looking after their own interests and so they should but surely the AFL could have done something a little more focused on the welfare of the players here rather than just looking after their own interests.

 

[plugger66]

It'd be interesting to know if GWS have a different player support structure considering their demographic and age profile. I wonder whether they anticipated situations like this. Think they may want to take a better look at this. The manager may or may not have tried to talk McCarthy into the long deal but as the rule goes they are always trying to set their clients futures up as best they can - do they have the skills to assess their mental state, not sure.

IMO this situation was always going to happen when you over stock a manufactured club up with the country's best youth. AFL should have foreseen this and tried harder to implement a better structure or situation in the new franchises where they had more senior players. Giving them the access to so much youth was always going to lead to the stockpiling and trade strategies that GWS have now implement. They will always be looking after their own interests and so they should but surely the AFL could have done something a little more focused on the welfare of the players here rather than just looking after their own interests.

Its not like its been a common occurrence. Seems to be a one off thing. One of my daughters best friends was playing there until last season and he says the club look after you unbelievably well. And I'm unsure there was any mental problems when the contract was signed so I'm not blaming the manger for that, I'm blaming the manager for signing a 3 year deal when he should have known he wanted to go home. If he didn't want to go home at the time then its all the players fault. I feel for him now but bad luck. Don't sign deals to become a very rich young kid and then expect to go back home when you feel like it. And I'm saying this as a person who is usually on the players side in most things. This is one situation where the club don't seem to be at fault at all.

 

[Jade Buddha]

Its not like its been a common occurrence. Seems to be a one off thing. One of my daughters best friends was playing there until last season and he says the club look after you unbelievably well. And I'm unsure there was any mental problems when the contract was signed so I'm not blaming the manger for that, I'm blaming the manager for signing a 3 year deal when he should have known he wanted to go home. If he didn't want to go home at the time then its all the players fault. I feel for him now but bad luck. Don't sign deals to become a very rich young kid and then expect to go back home when you feel like it. And I'm saying this as a person who is usually on the players side in most things. This is one situation where the club don't seem to be at fault at all.

The club (GWS) needs guidance from the AFL. They've (the AFL) helped set up the franchises and the rules that they abide by but clearly IMO have not thought through putting so many kids into one club without the role models and senior players that know where they are at such as O'Keefe. GWS have become a bit of a holding pen for talent that gets slowly distributed at maximum price. Their upper hand is their control over young player movement from about 3 drafts. This is always going to create some angst and could have been implemented far better if they'd stopped for a minute to consider what was going to happen or were they like some clubs such as Melbourne of the opinion that throwing the best talent at a club is going to fix everything. I'm not saying the McCarthy case is everyone else's fault just that the current situation is of the AFL's making.

 

[plugger66]

The club (GWS) needs guidance from the AFL. They've (the AFL) helped set up the franchises and the rules that they abide by but clearly IMO have not thought through putting so many kids into one club without the role models and senior players that know where they are at such as O'Keefe. GWS have become a bit of a holding pen for talent that gets slowly distributed at maximum price. Their upper hand is their control over young player movement from about 3 drafts. This is always going to create some angst and could have been implemented far better if they'd stopped for a minute to consider what was going to happen or were they like some clubs such as Melbourne of the opinion that throwing the best talent at a club is going to fix everything. I'm not saying the McCarthy case is everyone else's fault just that the current situation is of the AFL's making.

The club gets guidance and looks after the kids very well. I have proof of that from my Daughters friend. This is a one off that can just happen. And the current situation isn't the AFL's making. People look to blame everyone else for issues. Some people just have issues. If this was common then fair enough but its a one off. People in society have mental problems so why wouldn't footballers. What you are saying seems to be a bit of guess work unless you have some sort of proof. I do have one person to go by and the more I think about it I have at least 3 to go by and they claim the club do a great job in looking after them.

I really don't know what you are saying. They don't have anymore control than any other club and by the way they do have plenty of experienced guys there now.

 

[Gangnam Saint]

You do the deal regardless coz the potential downside is far worse than the possible upside. Contractual argument is redundant.
No point having a player walking around the clubroom who everyone knows doesn't want to be there given the possible knock-on effect to morale.

 

[Joffaboy]

It is paramount but I doubt they knew not letting him go would make him sick. Why the hell would he sign a three year deal and expect to go after one year. I would be blaming his manager and not the club. Clubs always think they can turn a player around if they keep them and who can blame them for that. Brown was the same at WCE.

Maybe he developed his mental issues after signing the contract

 

[Highlander35]

It's quite interesting. Recently it came to a head in European Rugby. Australian lock Kane Douglas has signed for Leinster, an Irish side on a 3 year contract, and he'd spent the best part of his first season in poor form, or injured. With a pregnant fiance, he requested a release from his contract for emotional reasons.

The problem was, he'd already agreed an in principle move to the Queensland Reds and had entered discussions with the ARU to join the Rugby World Cup squad. Entirely justifiably, they refused to release him without compensation, which led to a fairly lengthy standoff. Eventually, he was released for an undisclosed fee, despite the ARU initially refusing to enter negotiations whatsoever, as he was seeking compassionate release.

It's not entirely relevant, especially given that in releasing him, Leinster didn't strengthen a direct rival, but maybe if you want to be taken seriously with emotional issues, maybe don't demand anything but a move home.

 

[plugger66]

You do the deal regardless coz the potential downside is far worse than the possible upside. Contractual argument is redundant.
No point having a player walking around the clubroom who everyone knows doesn't want to be there given the possible knock-on effect to morale.

O'Keefe, Wayne Campbell and Brown from WCE suggests that isn't true. In hindsight you do the deal. Without hindsight no one should blackmail a club one year into a three year contract.