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[Yawkey way]

You're a good man Trav. I tend to forget about locals doing it tough but the cost of living must be pretty hard with the price of bills and everything else. I might have to give a bit of cash to the Sacred heart mission to feed some folks a bit of a Christmas dinner.

The mission is part of my parish and they do a fantastic job, money well spent.

 

[gringo2011]

One in four Australians have less than $1000 in savings and I've seen other reports to suggest it's a lot worse than that.
It doesn't take much when people are that stretched to put them in financial stress, it leaves a lot of people with no flexibility in the short term.

My guess is that there will always be a few who may not need the help but the majority will and many will hopefully be one offs.

Keep up the good work.

Yeah there was an old guy who ate at the Sacred Heart mission every day for like 20 years and got charity clothes etc. When he died they realised he'd owned 9 properties in St Kilda, people cracked the shits and started saying that people should stop giving money, over looking the fact that they feed 2000 people a day or something because one guy was an arseh*le. You see the people they feed and 99.99% aren't doing it for a scam.

 

[gringo2011]

The mission is part of my parish and they do a fantastic job, money well spent.

Yeah they are a St Kilda football club charity and plenty of players have helped out there. The Clarke brothers were always doing stuff for them in particular. I always liked Raph for the amount he did for others, he was a good guy.

 

[Yawkey way]

Yeah there was an old guy who ate at the Sacred Heart mission every day for like 20 years and got charity clothes etc. When he died they realised he'd owned 9 properties in St Kilda, people cracked the shits and started saying that people should stop giving money, over looking the fact that they feed 2000 people a day or something because one guy was an arseh*le. You see the people they feed and 99.99% aren't doing it for a scam.

He wouldn't be the only one, the place has always had its fair share of eccentrics.

People also overlook the isolation and mental health problems that many people experience, the mission has been doing great work for years.

 

[VDS66]

The mission is part of my parish and they do a fantastic job, money well spent.

100 year anniversary next year for the old church in Elwood...

 

[gringo2011]

100 year anniversary next year for the old church in Elwood...

Is that St Columba's or what ever it's called? I got married there....I married a catholic, I'm part of the flock nearly.

 

[VDS66]

Is that St Columba's or what ever it's called? I got married there....I married a catholic, I'm part of the flock nearly.

Pretty much.

 

[MUFKilda]

Hello everyone from a very cold England; I haven't been on Big Footy for a few weeks. How are the preparations for next year coming along? Is there a general feeling of optimism at the club; are you happy with the squad? Just trying to get a sense of what the Saints support is thinking.

 

[bergholt]

Not everything can be hacked.

Untrue, everything can be hacked, most things already have been.

Cyber crime and warfare are massively asymmetrical. Aggressors only have to find a tiny chink in a system to end up with massive access. The systems are more complex than any human can fully understand, and finding the chinks is largely automatable. Small effort for large reward, hence everything gets compromised eventually.

 

[sunny3193]

Should always let a car idle for a couple of minutes before driving, not so much now with the newer cars that have very good oil pumps

Remember this?
Today I spoke to an ex senior engineer at GMH with 28 years service.
His response was warming the motor is pointless if the transmission and rear axle remain cold. All should be warmed at the same time; by driving the car.
GM policy apparently.
FYI.

 

[sunny3193]

simple answer is lubrication by idling the car (especially cars with a larger engine) that give the engine a chance to distribute the lubrication accros the engine components before putting the engine under power .. the older the car the longer it takes to "warm up"

Remember this?
Today I spoke to an ex senior engineer at GMH with 28 years service.
His response was warming the motor is pointless if the transmission and rear axle remain cold. All should be warmed at the same time; by driving the car.
GM policy apparently.
FYI.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Untrue, everything can be hacked, most things already have been.

Cyber crime and warfare are massively asymmetrical. Aggressors only have to find a tiny chink in a system to end up with massive access. The systems are more complex than any human can fully understand, and finding the chinks is largely automatable. Small effort for large reward, hence everything gets compromised eventually.

You need access , you need the control.
For example it can be possible to monitor a system via the internet.
That does not mean that its possible to control a system via the internet.
It depends how the system is designed.
Simple example.
I could have an electric switch with a light bulb, and a light senor to monitor whether its on or off. Hacking into the monitoring system can still only let you know if its on or off. The control side of it is hardware.

There are still many machines that are simply not connected to the internet.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Remember this?
Today I spoke to an ex senior engineer at GMH with 28 years service.
His response was warming the motor is pointless if the transmission and rear axle remain cold. All should be warmed at the same time; by driving the car.
GM policy apparently.
FYI.

Wow i don't think rear axles wear out that quick , and the variation of their operating temperature is nothing like an engine.

 

[Mowman]

Remember this?
Today I spoke to an ex senior engineer at GMH with 28 years service.
His response was warming the motor is pointless if the transmission and rear axle remain cold. All should be warmed at the same time; by driving the car.
GM policy apparently.
FYI.

Yeah but he is wrong

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Remember this?
Today I spoke to an ex senior engineer at GMH with 28 years service.
His response was warming the motor is pointless if the transmission and rear axle remain cold. All should be warmed at the same time; by driving the car.
GM policy apparently.
FYI.

that may be the case in the brand new off the production line cars that have the factory fill oil and low hour components installed , once the oil does start to break down things like soot and microscopic metal contaminantes start to modify the oil make up for the most part the oil will perform and an acceptable rate for at most 20,000km's after that the deteriation will start to cause issue so year if you have brand new oil on brand new components then warming the car up is pointless but i would still say giving the engine a min or two just to circulate the lubrication is the best bet for engine health

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Engines now have management systems that warm them up quicker, for example once they start they will run lean. But this isn't done for the purposes of engine wear, its done for emissions controls. They need to get the combustion chamber operating right, and to get heat into the catalytic converter to get it operating efficiently.

The emissions test is relatively short , and i forget the actual numbers , but a few minutes of cold running immediately after starting are responsible for a very large proportion of total vehicle emissions.

This is the reason that almost all engines are being manufactured from Aluminium now. Until the stringent emissions had to be met , thin wall Cast Iron was probably considered to be an overall better option than Aluminium for engine blocks. New emissions laws have almost mandated Aluminium now.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

that may be the case in the brand new off the production line cars that have the factory fill oil and low hour components installed , once the oil does start to break down things like soot and microscopic metal contaminantes start to modify the oil make up for the most part the oil will perform and an acceptable rate for at most 20,000km's after that the deteriation will start to cause issue so year if you have brand new oil on brand new components then warming the car up is pointless but i would still say giving the engine a min or two just to circulate the lubrication is the best bet for engine health

I was told ( by an engineer at one of the Japanese car companies ) that they use the cheapest oil they can for initial factory fill. The company at the time had an early first service interval, and they figured it was just going down the drain anyway.
Then first service comes and they charge you $40/litre to change it with the special superduper car company oil ( which they purchase from an unnamed oil company for a few dollars a litre ).

 

[Yawkey way]

Is that St Columba's or what ever it's called? I got married there....I married a catholic, I'm part of the flock nearly.

Yes it is gringo, to be more precise it's Elwood and west st kilda so it also includes sacred heart next door to the mission and our lady of dolours in west st Kilda which may have closed.

St Columba's Elwood is my local church and my old primary school, my four kids all went there as well.

The parish has had a few changes over the years, the parish priest has a fair work load with the two churches and the mission.

Its a pretty old church inside with all the stained glass, if you were married there that makes you a local.

 

[gringo2011]

Yes it is gringo, to be more precise it's Elwood and west st kilda so it also includes sacred heart next door to the mission and our lady of dolours in west st Kilda which may have closed.

St Columba's Elwood is my local church and my old primary school, my four kids all went there as well.

The parish has had a few changes over the years, the parish priest has a fair work load with the two churches and the mission.

Its a pretty old church inside with all the stained glass, if you were married there that makes you a local.

Yeah, I remember the priest we had was ancient and had two churches, it's probably not him anymore...that was about 16 years ago. The only thing I remember was the thick carpet and the priest forgot to come and tell me that my wife had already started coming down the aisle before I'd come out from the room out the back. I nearly ****ed it up.

 

[gringo2011]

I was told ( by an engineer at one of the Japanese car companies ) that they use the cheapest oil they can for initial factory fill. The company at the time had an early first service interval, and they figured it was just going down the drain anyway.
Then first service comes and they charge you $40/litre to change it with the special superduper car company oil ( which they purchase from an unnamed oil company for a few dollars a litre ).

Yeah the first tank of oil has a whole lot of fine metal particles and foreign matter from the manufacturing in it so they always do the first service early to replace the filters and oil. I think the manufacturing is better now and some don't require servicing until they have had some serious use. A lot of cars are only needing servicing every 6 months and some every 12 month now. Cars don't really need to last for more than 5 or 6 years anyway.

A friend has a Alpha Montreal which has a dry sump V8, that doesn't have the oil properly circulating for 15 minutes, it was old F1 technology that was supposedly less lagging on the engine if it sprayed the internals rather than requiring the crank to push through the oil. That's a proper warm up period.

 

[Yawkey way]

Yeah, I remember the priest we had was ancient and had two churches, it's probably not him anymore...that was about 16 years ago. The only thing I remember was the thick carpet and the priest forgot to come and tell me that my wife had already started coming down the aisle before I'd come out from the room out the back. I nearly ****** it up.

That would have been fr Terry Kean, he was a really good guy.

He was a very kind and pragmatic man, he conducted my mothers funeral.

I think the workload became a bit much for him but I believe he's still working at montemorency.

You would be glad to know that they have ripped up that horrible carpet.

 

[VDS66]

Yeah, I remember the priest we had was ancient and had two churches, it's probably not him anymore...that was about 16 years ago. The only thing I remember was the thick carpet and the priest forgot to come and tell me that my wife had already started coming down the aisle before I'd come out from the room out the back. I nearly ****** it up.

The red shag pile is gone and the inside has been updated.

Haha, I bet you didn't want to come out because you thought it would end in divorce lol. Pre-marital melt of sorts.

 

[VDS66]

That would have been fr Terry Kean, he was a really good guy.

He was a very kind and pragmatic man, he conducted my mothers funeral.

I think the workload became a bit much for him but I believe he's still working at montemorency.

You would be glad to know that they have ripped up that horrible carpet.

Did Terry come after Jenkins?

You would haVe been there in the Hunter/ Twomey era?

Con Rhys and Peter Matthieson were there when I was at Primary.

 

[VDS66]

Yeah the first tank of oil has a whole lot of fine metal particles and foreign matter from the manufacturing in it so they always do the first service early to replace the filters and oil. I think the manufacturing is better now and some don't require servicing until they have had some serious use. A lot of cars are only needing servicing every 6 months and some every 12 month now. Cars don't really need to last for more than 5 or 6 years anyway.

A friend has a Alpha Montreal which has a dry sump V8, that doesn't have the oil properly circulating for 15 minutes, it was old F1 technology that was supposedly less lagging on the engine if it sprayed the internals rather than requiring the crank to push through the oil. That's a proper warm up period.

I think the intervals had more to do with repeat business.

I remember it was 5000 miles then suddenly it was 5000km.

But yes the build is much more precise these days.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I know they used to machine pistons and cylinders. Each one was measured and given a grade , then they'd fit matching grades of pistons to cylinders.
Some time in the 1980's they got away from that as better machinery became available.
Piston rings often had "hard" scraping edges that would have an aggressive bed in. These were gradually replaced by barrel lapped hardened surfaces.

Worst thing i was involved with was a 2 stroke mower engine. They were fine bored and not honed at all. Just about wore the rings out during the bedding in process.