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[Yawkey way]

Andy Murray has been forced to withdraw from Wimbledon, which starts tomorrow - I'm gutted.

The weather is glorious, however, so there is no danger of rain stopping play.

I wouldn't be, I like his game but he's a bit of a campaigner who wilts under pressure IMO.

 

[gringo2011]

If you were to describe yourself as generally left wing, centrist or right wing, where would you place yourself?

I'm certainly on the left.

What would you say?

Left but centre left. Soft **** socialist.

 

[Yawkey way]

If you were to describe yourself as generally left wing, centrist or right wing, where would you place yourself?

I'm certainly on the left.

What would you say?

Never would have guessed haha.

That's a good question, it's going to change from country to country for some people.

I wouldn't identity as right or left so I guess I'm a centrist in that sense.

I really like some policies that would be straight up socialist in the US and I would vote labour here in Australia.

On the other hand some of their policies are lunacy.

I don't think any of them are doing a very good job at present, we're not exactly spoilt for choice IMO.

 

[MUFKilda]

Never would have guessed haha.

That's a good question, it's going to change from country to country for some people.

I wouldn't identity as right or left so I guess I'm a centrist in that sense.

I really like some policies that would be straight up socialist in the US and I would vote labour here in Australia.

On the other hand some of their policies are lunacy.

I don't think any of them are doing a very good job at present, we're not exactly spoilt for choice IMO.

If push came to shove, I would describe myself as an anarchist; a leftist who is totally anti-hierarchy

 

[Joffaboy]

Each to their own.
I fly over Asia to get to Europe.
Everyone is different.

Yup. Have been to quite a few Asian countries, Japan, Vietnam, HK, China, but flying over them in 2 months to visit Britain and Ireland from late August to the day before GF day.

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[Joffaboy]

Left but centre left. Soft **** socialist.

I have joined that club myself2

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[MUFKilda]

Left but centre left. Soft **** socialist.

I'm as hard as a concrete wall

 

[MUFKilda]

Never would have guessed haha.

That's a good question, it's going to change from country to country for some people.

I wouldn't identity as right or left so I guess I'm a centrist in that sense.

I really like some policies that would be straight up socialist in the US and I would vote labour here in Australia.

On the other hand some of their policies are lunacy.

I don't think any of them are doing a very good job at present, we're not exactly spoilt for choice IMO.

Always had you down as an Aussie Liberal voter.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

If you were to describe yourself as generally left wing, centrist or right wing, where would you place yourself?

I'm certainly on the left.

What would you say?

Used to be centre left, now more centre right.

Voted left my whole life until the last election, although it makes no difference.

 

[MUFKilda]

Used to be centre left, now more centre right.

Voted left my whole life until the last election, although it makes no difference.

And it makes no difference because the political parties are owned by the same people and serve the same group in society .i.e. the rich and powerful, supported by a media which tells us it's the only option. A conglomerate media reinforces their interests and tells us all else is extreme and dangerous. The neoliberal global economy is a con for the benefit of a tiny minority. We need an alternative analysis, totally mainstream and in the interests of the vast majority. It is those who favour the current set up who are driving us to destruction.

 

[Yawkey way]

Always had you down as an Aussie Liberal voter.

No haven't voted liberal ever.

I just don't think any side has a mortgage on being right, I like to hear what every side has to say.

That's what annoys me at present, people who can't accept that others have a right to an opinion and to be given the opportunity to express it.

What are they so worried about, if it's garbage people will see through it.

I think government works best with strong government and opposition, I worry when loosing makes people unhinged.

If you need to be more inclusive and moderate to win is that necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

And it makes no difference because the political parties are owned by the same people and serve the same group in society .i.e. the rich and powerful, supported by a media which tells us it's the only option. A conglomerate media reinforces their interests and tells us all else is extreme and dangerous. The neoliberal global economy is a con for the benefit of a tiny minority. We need an alternative analysis, totally mainstream and in the interests of the vast majority. It is those who favour the current set up who are driving us to destruction.

I admire your passion, however can you site an example of a successful anti-hierarchy/anarchist society?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting.
By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,
-but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more


Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!

 

[gringo2011]

And it makes no difference because the political parties are owned by the same people and serve the same group in society .i.e. the rich and powerful, supported by a media which tells us it's the only option. A conglomerate media reinforces their interests and tells us all else is extreme and dangerous. The neoliberal global economy is a con for the benefit of a tiny minority. We need an alternative analysis, totally mainstream and in the interests of the vast majority. It is those who favour the current set up who are driving us to destruction.

I'm resigned, I was a lot more political when I was young but just ran out of steam. I loved in London that there were anarchist rallies after the Brexit vote and Corbin seems a proper lefty but the British rip into him unmercifully and doubt he ever gets into a position of power with the media out for his blood.

People are only going to change things when they get so tough that it's inevitable. I'll let the young folks start the revolution and just enjoy the benefits. It's definitely getting shitter out there. I don't have mortgage any more but still find the cost of living getting higher with so much less left over and increases every year on everything from power to transport. I'm a retailer so probably self interest in that the more people spend on cost of living it means less discretionary spend.

 

[sunny3193]

Yup. Have been to quite a few Asian countries, Japan, Vietnam, HK, China, but flying over them in 2 months to visit Britain and Ireland from late August to the day before GF day.

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I’ve been very lucky in my career.
For a time my responsibilities included selling value added product in to Asia.
Consequently I’ve seen these countries from a totally different perspective than that we would regard as normal.
Spent way too much time drinking top label cognacs in Karaoke bars.
(This proving particularly useful when I first moved to LA. My competition attempted to drink me under the table in Vegas, and so get industry insider knowledge. Two problems with that: I had only been with the new employer a month and knew literally nothing, and I was match fit from drinking all this cognac. Last time I saw Dave, he was fast asleep at a table in the Flamingo Hilton.)
Anyways, seen it, been there, ticked it off.
Which is why I fly over Asia to get to Europe.
And why I totally understand why people are attracted by different countries and cultures.
I have zero urge to return to Asia.
So I understand your zero urge to hit the States.

 

[gringo2011]

No haven't voted liberal ever.

I just don't think any side has a mortgage on being right, I like to hear what every side has to say.

That's what annoys me at present, people who can't accept that others have a right to an opinion and to be given the opportunity to express it.

What are they so worried about, if it's garbage people will see through it.

I think government works best with strong government and opposition, I worry when loosing makes people unhinged.

If you need to be more inclusive and moderate to win is that necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, the older I get the more balanced I get. I used to be pretty football team about politics. Being a zealot can make you unreasonable.

 

[luca77]

I admire your passion, however can you site an example of a successful anti-hierarchy/anarchist society?

How about you give us a list of them and we can choose the most "successful" from them?

 

[Dard Ball Get]

How about you give us a list of them and we can choose the most "successful" from them?

Why, your google down?

 

[MUFKilda]

I admire your passion, however can you site an example of a successful anti-hierarchy/anarchist society?

Spain 1936, before it was destroyed by a combination of Hitler, Stalin and USA/UK, none of which wished to see people controlling their own lives free of capitalism or state control.

 

[MUFKilda]

Yeah, the older I get the more balanced I get. I used to be pretty football team about politics. Being a zealot can make you unreasonable.

I find myself going further left the older I get i.e. the more I read and realise what's really happening and the nonsense explanations we are fed.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There's a lot of bullshit ingrained in both the left and the right.

I can't get my head around the left attitude.
All the bosses are rich ,why give tax cuts to businesses, give it to the individuals who need them.

Its so Charles Dickens.

Simply: It doesn't matter how rich Joe Bloggs is , if he can make 20% more money by moving his operation, including all the jobs to China , he will. Then he won't pay any tax to Australia.

Its not giving money to a rich dude, its encouraging business. If you want to go total socialist you need to follow Lenin's example and close the borders and start repressing. In between socialist systems won't work. Those affected too adversely will simply take their bat and ball and go and find other kids to play with.

 

[MUFKilda]

There's a lot of bullshit ingrained in both the left and the right.

I can't get my head around the left attitude.
All the bosses are rich ,why give tax cuts to businesses, give it to the individuals who need them.

Its so Charles Dickens.

Simply: It doesn't matter how rich Joe Bloggs is , if he can make 20% more money by moving his operation, including all the jobs to China , he will. Then he won't pay any tax to Australia.

Its not giving money to a rich dude, its encouraging business. If you want to go total socialist you need to follow Lenin's example and close the borders and start repressing. In between socialist systems won't work. Those affected too adversely will simply take their bat and ball and go and find other kids to play with.

So it's a race to the bottom: offer the lowest possible tax rates, in order to prevent globalisation taking full effect and companies leaving for China and India? Make workers compete with the terms of conditions of those countries too?

 

[luca77]

Why, your google down?

Nah, was just wondering how many anti-hierarchy/anarchist societies you could think of off the top of your head.
It's a bit like saying "name me a Greens prime minister who led the country responsibly and managed a healthy economy".
Well, I can't name one, but if you can give me a list of Greens prime ministers, I'll give you a review of how or how badly they went.

We can make an assumption that they'll run the country poorly, but once they got qualified people into the appropriate positions we don't know really what the end result would be. Same goes for an anti-hierarchy/anarchist society. How would things work out? How would things have turned out with Bernie Sanders as president? Who knows, but would have liked to have found out. Even with Trump, there was a certain curiosity about how much damage the guy could actually do, unfortunately that's the one we're finding out about.

 

[Yawkey way]

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Yeah, the older I get the more balanced I get. I used to be pretty football team about politics. Being a zealot can make you unreasonable.

Yeah I think most of us do the storm the winter palace, eat the rich routine when young.

Then you have a look at the lies and corruption that exists and the absolute campaigners that have seized power in other countries in other times only to drain the wealth of nations for themselves.

I think I reached a point where when I wasn't just saying it for a laugh I wanted to know the how, why, when and where of things.

I think that leads to a more moderate approach because being outraged isn't enough you need workable solutions.

What is really weird now is that you can't really have good ongoing discussion. People just shout each other down or resort to the tried and true, racist, sexist and a dozens more to shut it down.

Then a day or two later if that their on to another topic, it's like one endless vox pop.

 

[gringo2011]

I find myself going further left the older I get i.e. the more I read and realise what's really happening and the nonsense explanations we are fed.

It's kind of like a prison though. Hoping to fight the system just makes you frustrated, you almost just need to accept your fate and ride it because the campaigners have won and they aren't going to give it up easily. You see how unregulated I am about footy, imagine if I took politics too seriously. I'd be locked up.

Right and left are not working against each other anymore. Democracy isn't really offing genuine choice and money rules the world.