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[gringo2011]

I believe no matter where they are born or brought up, young indigenous children are well & truly taught everything possible about their culture.

My cousin is indigenous and was never taught anything. His grandfather was taken to a mission and had it shamed out of him until they stopped telling their kids their history and culture. Unfortunately that was a pretty common thing in Victoria.

 

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My cousin is indigenous and was never taught anything. His grandfather was taken to a mission and had it shamed out of him until they stopped telling their kids their history and culture. Unfortunately that was a pretty common thing in Victoria.

That is a shame, I know of a couple of families up here in Qld. & they are right into their culture and ancestory.

 

[gringo2011]

No it is interesting because of the window it opens on the inisidous nature of casual racism.

One post assumed that urban aboriginals had no knowledge of their ancestral history and the other assumed that they all knew their history.

Both are equally untrue which is why its interesting to me why one deserved a response but the other doesn't.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/news/stories/what-casual-racism

I just assumed he was like people who I have talked to with similar heritage, I'm obviously ignorant by assuming but don't think it's racist though.

It's still pretty rare to find people that know much about there heritage here in vic.

 

[MUFKilda]

a lot of the issues with the smaller animals going is to do with the feral cats and foxes ..

And feral Collingwood supporters.

 

[Sab22]

Does he? Or are you just assuming because his mother was involved in designing the Jumper?

Not assuming or anything, its pretty evident because of the actions. Taking part in the trip to NT with long, I'm not sure if the club picks the players or not but I'm sure the players have a say in it, so it does show he is keen on pushing his heritage in the world of footy, and I'm not that saying because he went on a trip but on the overall efforts he has put in.

 

[Premium]

No it is interesting because of the window it opens on the inisidous nature of casual racism.

One post assumed that urban aboriginals had no knowledge of their ancestral history and the other assumed that they all knew their history.

Both are equally untrue which is why its interesting to me why one deserved a response but the other doesn't.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/news/stories/what-casual-racism

Tell you the truth I don't care where he is from , as long as he can play football

 

[pebblesofsand]

I just assumed he was like people who I have talked to with similar heritage, I'm obviously ignorant by assuming but don't think it's racist though.

It's still pretty rare to find people that know much about there heritage here in vic.

Fair enough - but that's not my experience though since I've had had contact with strong local leaders who have a great pride in their ancestral history, work hard to educate their kids on that history and to overcome the stereotyping that exists in the broader community. That's not to say every things perfect - far from it.

Actually I don't really don't like the term "casual racism" because it sort of implies intent and in most cases there is no real intent, its more likely to be just some non thinking throwaway comment that most people aren't even aware could have racial stereotyping undertones.

 

[austinnn]

Oh god, this is all my fault, sorry. I know loads of people from all over the globe who have trouble maintaining eye contact.

 

[gringo2011]

Fair enough - but that's not my experience though since I've had had contact with strong local leaders who have a great pride in their ancestral history, work hard to educate their kids on that history and to overcome the stereotyping that exists in the broader community. That's not to say every things perfect - far from it.

Actually I don't really don't like the term "casual racism" because it sort of implies intent and in most cases there is no real intent, its more likely to be just some non thinking throwaway comment that most people aren't even aware could have racial stereotyping undertones.

Some of my cousins people were Ngarrindjeri and I have met quite a few from there and they know their culture but his family were in Victoria and taken off to the Missions and lost all their history. Victorian based aboriginals were put on reserves that got taken off them when they became valuable land. There was one at Healesville that made money so the took it off them and sent them to Lake Tyres.

 

[Yawkey way]

This guy knows...

https://www.city-journal.org/joseph-stiglitz-venezuela-16181.html

Does he know, a brief look at his career would suggest he doesn’t and is also badly conflicted politically, Clinton, de Blasio, warren and on and on.

Can’t argue about some of the problems though.

 

[VDS66]

https://www.city-journal.org/joseph-stiglitz-venezuela-16181.html

Does he know, a brief look at his career would suggest he doesn’t and is also badly conflicted politically, Clinton, de Blasio, warren and on and on.

Can’t argue about some of the problems though.

I'll take your word over his then...

 

[Saintos The ITK]

I got to have a beer and a punt with Joey Montagna last Saturday down in Broadbeach. Quite randomly as you do. My first ever social interaction with a Saint and I think I was a bit awkward.
I was great.

 

[Yawkey way]

I'll take your word over his then...

I didn’t ask you to do that, I simply provided you with a link to a pretty good article on Joseph Stiglitz and some of his past work.

He’s a pretty well known guy it’s not as though his views and politics are a secret. His views on trump and all things republican are also well known as are his political affiliations. Some of the problems are real and something certainly needs to change I thought you might like some perspective, I guess not.

 

[sunny3193]

I got to have a beer and a punt with Joey Montagna last Saturday down in Broadbeach. Quite randomly as you do. My first ever social interaction with a Saint and I think I was a bit awkward.
I was great.

Love it.
The first and only time I ever spoke to my love child (Lenny), I only managed gibberish.
He was very understanding though.

We are all kids at heart when we meet heroes.
And it doesn’t matter who you are: Mike Myers tells an equally embarrassing moment about his hero: George Harrison.

 

[gringo2011]

https://reneweconomy.com.au/spain-b...EHniU5j1Dwf05LKbtTCzWTt4tHWtaYXZxO2Sa-myVaaBQ

 

[St Muir]

I just assumed he was like people who I have talked to with similar heritage, I'm obviously ignorant by assuming but don't think it's racist though.

It's still pretty rare to find people that know much about there heritage here in vic.

That’s because Victoria pretty much wiped out indigenous people and a lot of history and traditions would have gone with them. There’s a far stronger contingent of indigenous people in Queensland who have very strong links with their culture, a minority of whom still live in traditional ways.
Then there’s differences in approach between indigenous people that live predominantly in urban areas and those in regional/remote areas.
It’s a rich culture and I have learned so much from my indigenous brothers and sisters.
I’m a bit sad that we haven’t built on the foundations laid by Nicky Winmar to be honest. It was a golden opportunity for the saints to be the Melbourne based team that young indigenous players could feel supported and safe going to.

 

[sunny3193]

I apologise in advance to any indigenous poster who might read this.
Like most Australians of European descent, and of my age, I’m quite unfamiliar with indigenous culture and heritage.
But I do want to give a shout out to the club for their management of both Ben Long and his culture.
What better way to make an indigenous kid from the NT feel welcome and important than to have him host his peers in his own neighbourhood and expose them to his culture.
What better way to demonstrate to the kid that the club values him as a person first, and then as a player.
What better way to educate his fellows about his heritage than to expose them to it.
Second year in a row this has happened.
I hope it occurs every year that we are fortunate to have Ben play for us.

Edit: wrong thread, but what the hey!

 

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Love it.
The first and only time I ever spoke to my love child (Lenny), I only managed gibberish.
He was very understanding though.

We are all kids at heart when we meet heroes.
And it doesn’t matter who you are: Mike Myers tells an equally embarrassing moment about his hero: George Harrison.

Very embarrasingly said to my idol Trevor Barker “you are my hero” while standing next to him at the urinal at Moorabin Felt kinda small saying that there.

 

[sunny3193]

Very embarrasingly said to my idol Trevor Barker “you are my hero” while standing next to him at the urinal at Moorabin Felt kinda small saying that there.

ROFL!

 

[Crusty Undies]

Fair enough - but that's not my experience though since I've had had contact with strong local leaders who have a great pride in their ancestral history, work hard to educate their kids on that history and to overcome the stereotyping that exists in the broader community. That's not to say every things perfect - far from it.

Actually I don't really don't like the term "casual racism" because it sort of implies intent and in most cases there is no real intent, its more likely to be just some non thinking throwaway comment that most people aren't even aware could have racial stereotyping undertones.

It's not even racism. Being ignorant doesn't mean you're necessarily degrading a race, people just need to be less sensitive tbh. Also I just find it funny how casual racism is only a thing for some people. If someone assumed I had European heritage because I have white skin or that I am more likely to know about British/French culture is that racist? Of course it isn't. Our whole world is based on assumptions, it doesn't mean you're a shit person for assuming something about someone.

 

[CursingFijian]

It's not even racism. Being ignorant doesn't mean you're necessarily degrading a race, people just need to be less sensitive tbh. Also I just find it funny how casual racism is only a thing for some people. If someone assumed I had European heritage because I have white skin or that I am more likely to know about British/French culture is that racist? Of course it isn't. Our whole world is based on assumptions, it doesn't mean you're a shit person for assuming something about someone.

Australians being ignorant of French culture is not the same as Australians being ignorant of Aboriginal culture.

 

[MUFKilda]

Australians being ignorant of French culture is not the same as Australians being ignorant of Aboriginal culture.

I know very little of the history between the indigenous Australians and the white settlers, though I'm aware it is very disturbing, akin to the treatment of the native Americans. As History is my thing, how is it taught in schools today?

How many indigenous Australians were killed by the early settlers?

 

[Yawkey way]

Australians being ignorant of French culture is not the same as Australians being ignorant of Aboriginal culture.

In the context of crustys comments what’s the difference?.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Australians being ignorant of French culture is not the same as Australians being ignorant of Aboriginal culture.

No but Aboriginals being ignorant of French culture is the same as white Australians being ignorant of Aboriginal culture.

 

[sunny3193]

No but Aboriginals being ignorant of French culture is the same as white Australians being ignorant of French culture.

EFA