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[CALL ME SNAKE]

Well, first century Judaic temple culture, actually. You might like to look up the Maccabees rebellion, and the Jewish War of AD70. Palestine was considered the only place in their empire that the Romans couldn't tame. Credit where it's due, though, they have it a red hot crack: and building Roman cities like Tiberius and Caesarea in Palestine were part of that.

Nothing to do with Christian culture, which would really not become a cultural force until about another 2 centuries (well apart from all the martyrdoms... I guess that was a cultural norm when the Romans were killing them...).

Usually when you do one of those type of historical/religious post's theres always about 4 words ive never even heard of before and quite a few i dont even know how to pronounce
But they are always interesting and informative mate

 

[Joffaboy]

Well, first century Judaic temple culture, actually. You might like to look up the Maccabees rebellion, and the Jewish War of AD70. Palestine was considered the only place in their empire that the Romans couldn't tame. Credit where it's due, though, they have it a red hot crack: and building Roman cities like Tiberius and Caesarea in Palestine were part of that.

Nothing to do with Christian culture, which would really not become a cultural force until about another 2 centuries (well apart from all the martyrdoms... I guess that was a cultural norm when the Romans were killing them...).

Didnt the Romans smash the Jews in 70?
Masada and all that. Cant remember the Roman emperor but a famous arch in the Forum in Rome has a depiction of the triumph and all the Judian spoils like the iconic Jewish arched candles etc

 

[Moral Decay]

Wow. Imagine being forced to work to survive.

Working poor? With the added bonus of social scorn/hatred and low self esteem if you are in unemployed.
Indentured servitude? America wouldn't have been settled without this form of contract slavery.
A mortgage? Till death do you pay.
Lots do jobs they hate just because it's a job and they need money.
A career or a calling are luxuries many cannot afford or aspire to.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Didnt the Romans smash the Jews in 70?
Masada and all that. Cant remember the Roman emperor but a famous arch in the Forum in Rome has a depiction of the triumph and all the Judian spoils like the iconic Jewish arched candles etc

Think what the Cats did to the Power in 2007 - that kinda smashing.

Vespasian and his son Titus were the generals directly involved, and yep, both would go on to be emperors (Vespasian was the last of the four in the Romans' year of the four emperors... and you thought Australian politics got rough...).

I've been to Masada. As places for a last-ditch stand, it's a bugger of a spot to take... but you know you are totally, TOTALLY screwed if things have got to that point. And ultimately, the Romans were very clever (as they usually were), and thoroughly stuffed them. Here's a few pics from my trip (while we're here... hey, it's off-season):

These are catapult stones from the siege:



Here's the view looking down: Masada is a flipping long way up. Those squares you see are where the Romans built their temporary forts.


Eventually, the Romans built a siege tower, and wheeled it up this road they made... up the flipping mountain... while the rebels were raining down arrows and rocks and stuff on them... (as ya do...)

 

[Persevering Saint]

Oh, and just to be clear, the stuff you see on the Arch of Titus, Joffaboy , isn't so much from Masada, but is from the Herod's Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. By then the Romans had had quite enough of these upstart Jews, and decided to take away their most important national and cultural landmark (something Jesus predicted would happen 40 years before, just quietly, to the disbelief of plenty of people when He did, as recorded in Mark 13 - fist bump, Jesus).

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Didnt the Romans smash the Jews in 70?

That was before there was any WADA testing but

 

[Highlander35]

Marky Mark (or the group of writers writing in tribute to Mark) were probably writing after the Temple was destroyed though.

Don't think it would be... difficult to leave in the correct predictions and leave out the wrong ones.

 

[Joffaboy]

Thats correct Perse. Vespasian was the General and it wad from the sack of Jerusalem. Israeli soldiets look to Masada as an oath and say Never Again.

The Romans. Once you were under seige by them you were toast. They just didnt quit.
Masada is a case in point.

They were one tough breed of campaigners in those days.

Do you know the line in the sand legend?

 

[Persevering Saint]

Thats correct Perse. Vespasian was the General and it wad from the sack of Jerusalem. Israeli soldiets look to Masada as an oath and say Never Again.

The Romans. Once you were under seige by them you were toast. They just didnt quit.
Masada is a case in point.

They were one tough breed of campaigners in those days.

Do you know the line in the sand legend?

Ooh, no I don't! Tell me more!

 

[Joffaboy]

Ooh, no I don't! Tell me more!

Not religious. More Roman legend about the power of Rome.

In the 2nd century BCE an Eastern Empire was maurading down around Lebanon, Israel.
A Roman delegation met them with one senator who met the king and his huge army alone.
Legend goes he drew a line in the sand with his foot and said not one step more.
The invading king considered his options and stopped.
The power of the empire was encapsulated in the one lone representative.
Cant vouch for the accuracy of my time and place but the story is reported by a number of the ancient Roman historians.

 

[Joffaboy]

Or maybe he drew a box around himself and said you attack me you attack Rome.
Cant quite remember but that is where the saying is from.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Marky Mark (or the group of writers writing in tribute to Mark) were probably writing after the Temple was destroyed though.

Don't think it would be... difficult to leave in the correct predictions and leave out the wrong ones.

Yeah, I did an essay in my first Masters on the source criticism of the Olivet Discourse (basically, where did Matthew, Mark and Luke get those bits about the temple from). Notwithstanding my bias (but hey), I ended up arguing they all utilised an earlier source document from pre-70AD. It's probably more detailed than anybody could be bothered with here (it goes into the Greek, and all that Q stuff), but feel free to PM me if you like, and I'll give you a copy.

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

The only blokes i know from that time are Biggus Dickus and Welease Wodewick.

 

[Joffaboy]

Who would have thought Saints supporters were so learned? Especially when at the footy swearing at the umpire[emoji4]

 

[Persevering Saint]

Not religious. More Roman legend about the power of Rome.

In the 2nd century BCE an Eastern Empire was maurading down around Lebanon, Israel.
A Roman delegation met them with one senator who met the king and his huge army alone.
Legend goes he drew a line in the sand with his foot and said not one step more.
The invading king considered his options and stopped.
The power of the empire was encapsulated in the one lone representative.
Can vouch for the accuracy of my time and place but the story is reported by a number of the ancient Roman historians.

I'm an historian as well as a Christian, and so I can appreciate the history of the Roman Empire, irrespective of the direct connections with Christianity.

And yep, that sounds very badass, in typical Roman style.

I thought it might have something to do with Josephus, and his playing shifty buggers with the rest of the Jewish rebels.

 

[Joffaboy]

But just remember Perse, I get all my historical information of that time from Colleen McCulloch and her masters of Rome series[emoji6]
Must say however those 6 books were extraordinarily well researched by her and has received widespread praise from historians who specialise in that time.
Maybe Mary Beard may be better. I am no historian, just a fan of history

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The only blokes i know from that time are Biggus Dickus and Welease Wodewick.

I reckon there was a lot of truth in that movie. Not sure about the aliens though.

 

[Joffaboy]

When I get home, I'll try to dig up the story properly. Not much history in China[emoji52]

 

[Joffaboy]

I reckon there was a lot of truth in that movie. Not sure about the aliens though.

That was the only bit believed, and the misheard sermon on the mount because they were up the back and people were talking.
Reckon that happened.

 

[George]

The Greeks invented everything (Source: My Big Fat Greek Wedding).

Can we just shut this thread down now?

 

[sauce_head]

Well, first century Judaic temple culture, actually. You might like to look up the Maccabees rebellion, and the Jewish War of AD70. Palestine was considered the only place in their empire that the Romans couldn't tame. Credit where it's due, though, they have it a red hot crack: and building Roman cities like Tiberius and Caesarea in Palestine were part of that.

Nothing to do with Christian culture, which would really not become a cultural force until about another 2 centuries (well apart from all the martyrdoms... I guess that was a cultural norm when the Romans were killing them...).

That is genuinely interesting, cheers. (Not sarcastic)

Sorry, I just don't like organised religion and usually react as such.

 

[sauce_head]

But just remember Perse, I get all my historical information of that time from Colleen McCulloch and her masters of Rome series[emoji6]
Must say however those 6 books were extraordinarily well researched by her and has received widespread praise from historians who specialise in that time.
Maybe Mary Beard may be better. I am no historian, just a fan of history

Dad?

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

The Greeks invented everything (Source: My Big Fat Greek Wedding).

Can we just shut this thread down now?

put some windex on it

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Or maybe he drew a box around himself and said you attack me you attack Rome.
Cant quite remember but that is where the saying is from.

Perhaps it was a box and if he impinged upon the Senator he gave away 50 cubits and a free kick.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The Greeks invented everything (Source: My Big Fat Greek Wedding).

Can we just shut this thread down now?

BFGW was crap.
Nick's Aussie wog humor was much better.

AND NO!!!!

Its a random thread and we are being random.