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[st_trav_ofWA]

Ben is out ?

nah i think he is still in holding

 

[SaintsSeptember]

im all ok now was thinking i might need a change of undies cause it certainly scared the crap outta me but my main concern was someone else further down the road ... it was 5:30am so its not uncommon for drivers to be still somewhat waking up to start the day so they might not be as awake as i was to aviod this mad man....
interesting side note it was the same stretch of road Ben Cousins was caught driving meth'd off his face recently ... it wasnt Ben who i faced but it has me thinking that there is most likely a dealer close by ...

My kid has had his license a couple of weeks he's already had a driver heading towards him on the wrong side of the road. He's a nervous driver and all the more now.
My daughter who had been driving around a year, was parked at traffic lights unable to move, while a "non-gang" was moving towards her car smashing lights , panels and windows with baseball bats on the cars in front of her" the cops arrived before they got to hers, and the "non-gang" all ran off. ( no arrests of course ,

( its easier to park the BMW on the side of the freeway and radar a few cars for doing 10km/h over the limit ).

I remember the old movie "Escape from New York" and wonder what we're turning into.

 

[Yawkey way]

if we are going to cut cost i think the cars the cops drive should be towards the bottom of the list... the dollars spent on parlimentry drivers would be high on the list of what i would cut

It’s a bit simplistic, it’s not as though you can just hail a cab or use Uber.

I worked at 1 treasury place back in the day and know as well as anyone how the system worked then.

Some ministers and other members have a designated car and driver, others use a pool. Now when you consider all the meeting they have to attend in an offical capacity some in country electorates and add that to the sometimes torturous hours that both houses sit it’s not appropriate, safe or the best use of their time for members to drive themselves.

These people are reading reports, briefings, taking calls etc getting on with what their elected to do part of that cost is the drivers.

I haven’t done a costing of what a private service would cost in comparison but I doubt it would be any cheaper or deliver the same quality of service.

I know exactly how much drivers were paid back then, it seems generous but it’s really due to the hours they are required to be on duty, without the overtime it’s just a decent wage in line with their responsibilities remember these guys are chauffeurs not cabbies.

It’s funny I’ve worked for the state and commonwealth as well as multinationals and other smaller businesses. The government really runs a pretty tight ship by comparison, wages are much lower and rorting is pretty much non existent. Most of the red tape is because it’s required by law and demanded by the very public that complains about it.

 

[Yawkey way]

My kid has had his license a couple of weeks he's already had a driver heading towards him on the wrong side of the road. He's a nervous driver and all the more now.
My daughter who had been driving around a year, was parked at traffic lights unable to move, while a "non-gang" was moving towards her car smashing lights , panels and windows with baseball bats on the cars in front of her" the cops arrived before they got to hers, and the "non-gang" all ran off. ( no arrests of course ,

( its easier to park the BMW on the side of the freeway and radar a few cars for doing 10km/h over the limit ).

I remember the old movie "Escape from New York" and wonder what we're turning into.

We used to have local police stations and police walked the beat.

Now in my neighbourhood the police station has closed as they have in several adjoining suburbs along with the fire station and the population would have at least doubled in that time.

If you happen to be out late now you can’t find a cop and if you call them for anything other than a major crime well they turn up when they can. I had a young thief pinned in my backyard years ago, he was maybe 17 or so my wife called the cops I let him go after about 20 minutes. Wtf are you supposed to do when they struggle, knock them out? Tie them up? #### that scared him off, maybe deterred him who knows. Cops turned up 2 hours or more later, yeah I’ve still got him you bloody idiots, will I come down and look through their mug shots, nah why bother they don’t.

 

[L_W_P]

I would have held onto him. Tie him up, sit on his back & watch some TV while you wait.

Then you both have a reason to complain to the police about how late they are.

 

[Yawkey way]

I would have held onto him. Tie him up, sit on his back & watch some TV while you wait.

Then you both have a reason to complain to the police about how late they are.

Haha yeah, look you wonder if you’ll end up charged yourself that’s the problem.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I would have held onto him. Tie him up, sit on his back & watch some TV while you wait.

Then you both have a reason to complain to the police about how late they are.

A lot of people would do that or worse , then our legal system would no doubt penalise the adult home owner more the the "juvenile" criminal thug.
Given the violent criminals running rampant, its totally frustrating to see them snub their noses at our sensitive new age police, who then seem to go no tolerance on minor misdemeanours of otherwise law abiding people.

Immigration and breeding are blowing out the population, and it superficially helps the economy, but not if you take into account the fact that infrastructure and services have not increased to accommodate it.
Police is just one of those services.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

It’s a bit simplistic, it’s not as though you can just hail a cab or use Uber.

I worked at 1 treasury place back in the day and know as well as anyone how the system worked then.

Some ministers and other members have a designated car and driver, others use a pool. Now when you consider all the meeting they have to attend in an offical capacity some in country electorates and add that to the sometimes torturous hours that both houses sit it’s not appropriate, safe or the best use of their time for members to drive themselves.

These people are reading reports, briefings, taking calls etc getting on with what their elected to do part of that cost is the drivers.

I haven’t done a costing of what a private service would cost in comparison but I doubt it would be any cheaper or deliver the same quality of service.

I know exactly how much drivers were paid back then, it seems generous but it’s really due to the hours they are required to be on duty, without the overtime it’s just a decent wage in line with their responsibilities remember these guys are chauffeurs not cabbies.

It’s funny I’ve worked for the state and commonwealth as well as multinationals and other smaller businesses. The government really runs a pretty tight ship by comparison, wages are much lower and rorting is pretty much non existent. Most of the red tape is because it’s required by law and demanded by the very public that complains about it.

sorry thats rubbish ive seen it first hand the line of luxury cars infront of parliment to take MP's to their lodging it is a total indulgent waste ... i get the duty of care side of working long hours and driving ive worked on minesites where that is a huge factor but workers doing that get a shuttle bus to get them back to lodging not a line of luxury cars ...

 

[Yawkey way]

sorry thats rubbish ive seen it first hand the line of luxury cars infront of parliment to take MP's to their lodging it is a total indulgent waste ... i get the duty of care side of working long hours and driving ive worked on minesites where that is a huge factor but workers doing that get a shuttle bus to get them back to lodging not a line of luxury cars ...

Shuttle bus to where exactly, their all going to different places so that’s just rubbish st trav, this is a city of 5 million not a remote mine site.

The lines there because parliament has finished for the day. It’s either the current system or a private one, which in my fairly well informed opinion would cost you more for less.

Many of these guys are also in a general pool working driving other officials around.

Do you get a company car st trav? You realise that many people do or lease through a business and claim it as an expense. Executive level public servants can get a car as part of their package so we’re talking specifically about the drivers as a cost here.

You should check out your local members itinerary, it’s no walk in the park they work long hours and really cover some ground. In WA it would be even worse for members with country electorates.

Interestingly the great peter mackenna gave away teaching and the media to become a chauffeur for the state government.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Shuttle bus to where exactly, their all going to different places so that’s just rubbish st trav, this is a city of 5 million not a remote mine site.

The lines there because parliament has finished for the day. It’s either the current system or a private one, which in my fairly well informed opinion would cost you more for less.

Many of these guys are also in a general pool working driving other officials around.

Do you get a company car st trav? You realise that many people do or lease through a business and claim it as an expense. Executive level public servants can get a car as part of their package so we’re talking specifically about the drivers as a cost here.

You should check out your local members itinerary, it’s no walk in the park they work long hours and really cover some ground. In WA it would be even worse for members with country electorates.

Interestingly the great peter mackenna gave away teaching and the media to become a chauffeur for the state government.

a very good friend of mine works in car leasing so yeah i know and have seen the big rort that is as well ... ive seen leased cars for government officals sit in shire depot's doing two parts of stuff all while they get a driver to run them in and out of meetings .... next you will tell me a Chopper flight to an event is reasonable ...

 

[Yawkey way]

Meth is bad kids ......

ok i sit here slightly shaken posting this feeling very lucky to be alive.. so this morning on my comute to work driving down the same street i drive every morning i came across something i was not expecting to start my day ... traveling at about 140km/h on the wrong side of the road was a White toyota hilux 4WD heading directly for me head on.. at first i though it was just an idiot trying to overtake at possibly the most stupidist place , but as the 4WD got closer and closer i could see the driver was quite litterally Meth'd out of his brain, he was bashing his head against the steering wheel screaming at the top of his lungs with the spit from his frothing toothless mouth hitting the windscreen ... averting the imminent head on collision i mounted the curb hitting the dewy grass of the business facing the road i was travelling on causing the back end of my car to lose traction almost putting me into a spin, thankfully i managed to right the car before heading into the brick letterbox of the said business and avoided a prang ...
mean while Mr 4wd Meth head continued down the road at 140km/h on the wrong side looking for his next victim ... once i composed myself a quick call to the cops to report the crazy driver was made ... hopefully they catch him before he runs across someone not as alert as me....

Lucky to still be here mate, buy a Tatts ticket.

Bloody frightening just getting around some days.

 

[Yawkey way]

a very good friend of mine works in car leasing so yeah i know and have seen the big rort that is as well ... ive seen leased cars for government officals sit in shire depot's doing two parts of stuff all while they get a driver to run them in and out of meetings .... next you will tell me a Chopper flight to an event is reasonable ...

Where getting off topic a bit but for what’s it’s worth there seperate issues.

In this instance the cars sitting there are effectively private cars provided as part of a salary package.

I know in many instances they could drive themselves but sometimes that’s not practical and remember the driver is employed anyway so if it’s needed why not use him.

Look plenty of public servants travel for a whole range of reasons at all levels of government, where possible they don’t it’s that simple. Now if whoever is travelling can get their by a commercial flight they should and do, if they don’t their breaking guidelines. There are also strict rules on who flies economy, now paying economy and flying economy are two different things. If you get upgraded which would not be unusual given how much business some departments throw their way then that’s fine.

St trav I once managed a section that encompassed finance, travel, a fleet of 80 odd cars, IT, Property and a variety of other odds and bods. This place due to the departments business had an extraordinary amount of travel and needed a lot of cars. The public love to complain a government rego is like a red rage to a bull, if a bloke driving straight home stops at a shop people write in and yes you have to reply.

No ones going on a pub crawl in a comm car.

 

[Stewart66]

It’s a bit simplistic, it’s not as though you can just hail a cab or use Uber.

I worked at 1 treasury place back in the day and know as well as anyone how the system worked then.

Some ministers and other members have a designated car and driver, others use a pool. Now when you consider all the meeting they have to attend in an offical capacity some in country electorates and add that to the sometimes torturous hours that both houses sit it’s not appropriate, safe or the best use of their time for members to drive themselves.

These people are reading reports, briefings, taking calls etc getting on with what their elected to do part of that cost is the drivers.

I haven’t done a costing of what a private service would cost in comparison but I doubt it would be any cheaper or deliver the same quality of service.

I know exactly how much drivers were paid back then, it seems generous but it’s really due to the hours they are required to be on duty, without the overtime it’s just a decent wage in line with their responsibilities remember these guys are chauffeurs not cabbies.

It’s funny I’ve worked for the state and commonwealth as well as multinationals and other smaller businesses. The government really runs a pretty tight ship by comparison, wages are much lower and rorting is pretty much non existent. Most of the red tape is because it’s required by law and demanded by the very public that complains about it.

They love spending money down at the Cattery .

Will be over $100 million free hit from the Government.

 

[Yawkey way]

They love spending money down at the Cattery .

Will be over $100 million free hit from the Government.

Different thing they love pork barreling.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I don't worry much about the Politican car rort.
Just about everyone with a Company car is rorting the tax system.

If i didn't go to work my wife and i could easily make do with one family car.
However I need a car to go to work, since the Government do not supply a suitable alternative, but i can't claim it as a cost of working.
( Similarly i can't claim replacement or costs of clothing that are damaged while i work ).
However If i lease a company car, i can use it totally for private use. The 20% FBT is less than a lot of people's marginal tax rate.
So arbitrarily some people are able to organize a tax rort on their trip to work while others can't.
As usual its the average PAYE earner who can't claim zip.

 

[StFly]

A lot of people would do that or worse , then our legal system would no doubt penalise the adult home owner more the the "juvenile" criminal thug.
Given the violent criminals running rampant, its totally frustrating to see them snub their noses at our sensitive new age police, who then seem to go no tolerance on minor misdemeanours of otherwise law abiding people.

Immigration and breeding are blowing out the population, and it superficially helps the economy, but not if you take into account the fact that infrastructure and services have not increased to accommodate it.
Police is just one of those services.

I'm not above things to say that some bloke attempting to gain entry through my window received the blunt end of an axe to the face before he scurried off over the fence after some obscenities, because you know, you kinda don't expect it in suburbia.

Way I see it, if it's a choice situation, what happens after happens after, in the there and then, a choice was made to negatively impact a person, if that person is yourself then screw the other guy until they stop.

Also just rehash;

And with that in mind, why it's more racist to caricaturise a black woman throwing a tantrum than a white man in politics or "corporates".

It's not, one is just more socially accepted because stigma. At its core racism is racism if it's the point of highlight to infer inferiority or volatility based on the race of the person. It's only "more" or "less" because you're using excuses to validate certain levels of racism as acceptable as it's what society deems is acceptable.

We used to have local police stations and police walked the beat.

Now in my neighbourhood the police station has closed as they have in several adjoining suburbs along with the fire station and the population would have at least doubled in that time.

Time was we only had 2 cops in town for the shift change, and detectives had to be shipped in from 2 suburbs away despite the population trebling. We were lucky in our position since a block over the local fire dept for response times, but yeah, good luck seeing anyone in uniform despite things having gotten better, it's also why we still used the Neighbourhood watch when others had dropped it, since it's all you had to suppliment.

 

[Yawkey way]

I'm not above things to say that some bloke attempting to gain entry through my window received the blunt end of an axe to the face before he scurried off over the fence after some obscenities, because you know, you kinda don't expect it in suburbia.

Way I see it, if it's a choice situation, what happens after happens after, in the there and then, a choice was made to negatively impact a person, if that person is yourself then screw the other guy until they stop.

Also just rehash;



It's not, one is just more socially accepted because stigma. At its core racism is racism if it's the point of highlight to infer inferiority or volatility based on the race of the person. It's only "more" or "less" because you're using excuses to validate certain levels of racism as acceptable as it's what society deems is acceptable.



Time was we only had 2 cops in town for the shift change, and detectives had to be shipped in from 2 suburbs away despite the population trebling. We were lucky in our position since a block over the local fire dept for response times, but yeah, good luck seeing anyone in uniform despite things having gotten better, it's also why we still used the Neighbourhood watch when others had dropped it, since it's all you had to suppliment.

Couldn’t agree more, you defend yourself and worry about the wash up latter.

 

[Drake Huggins]

Couldn’t agree more, you defend yourself and worry about the wash up latter.

" 'Tis better to explain to twelve than to be carried by six." Old police proverb.

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

He shouldn't play just because it could be a "fairytale ending" he should play because of the rules of the game.
Which say that you can make contact with your shoulder as long as you have attempted to wrap and arm around to tackle or placed a hand on your opponent to grab or push
#FREEBILLYSLATER

 

[Persevering Saint]

Okay, guys. I just received word from that my examiners have passed my PhD with very minor revisions. It only took 6 weeks, which is apparently mega-quick (I was expecting to wait until November).

So, it looks like I'm Doctor Percy now.

I just wanted to thank the many of you who have kinda walked the PhD journey with me over the years, in this thread and elsewhere. I've really appreciated your support, friendship and encouragement along the way.

 

[Pardon me]

Okay, guys. I just received word from that my examiners have passed my PhD with very minor revisions. It only took 6 weeks, which is apparently mega-quick (I was expecting to wait until November).

So, it looks like I'm Doctor Percy now.

I just wanted to thank the many of you who have kinda walked the PhD journey with me over the years, in this thread and elsewhere. I've really appreciated your support, friendship and encouragement along the way.

Fantastic news Perse!! excuse me, DOCTOR Perse!
Seriously mate, bloody well done on a massive slog.

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

Okay, guys. I just received word from that my examiners have passed my PhD with very minor revisions. It only took 6 weeks, which is apparently mega-quick (I was expecting to wait until November).

So, it looks like I'm Doctor Percy now.

I just wanted to thank the many of you who have kinda walked the PhD journey with me over the years, in this thread and elsewhere. I've really appreciated your support, friendship and encouragement along the way.

A Dr??
I've got a rash on my penis can you look at it for me?
Doesn't matter if your just a podiatrist co's its a foot long

 

[Persevering Saint]

A Dr??
I've got a rash on my penis can you look at it for me?
Doesn't matter if your just a podiatrist co's its a foot long

Not THAT kind of doctor!

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

Not THAT kind of doctor!

Oh.
So your more like Dr.Pepper?
That's ok you can still look at it

 

[Drake Huggins]

Now, Dr. Pers, when someone says, "Where shall I put my clothes, doctor?" You can reply, "Over there, on top of mine!" I'll show myself out.