Mega Thread Random recruiting hypotheticals 2011

[KnaveyBlue]

Jesse White? Greeeeeat...

Between him and Hendo we'd have the two least imposing big forwards in the game.

Rather stick with Setanta. At least with the Irishman you know you'll get crashed packs, plenty of physical presence and straight kicking.

 

[Kades_Dad]

Would be ecstatic if we managed to get Jesse White. Has struggled for consistency, but when he's firing, he's am amazing player.

Agreed.

I remember a lot of people mentioning Quentin Lynch's name last year, and a lot more people saying he would be terrible in Navy Blue. I wonder if those people have changed their minds now (not that WC would trade him).

 

[Salaryman]

If we can find a useful Duigan, Curnow and Laidler from the lower leagues, why not a useful KPP? I know they are harder

I think you answered your own question......clubs don't let talented KPP's go....there are a few names floating around the state leagues but I haven't seen enough VFL to comment on whether blokes like Thoolen and Tighe have improved. From what I've seen the WAFL and SANFL aren't brimming with options this year either.

 

[NAUGHT5]

I would be happy with Jesse White as a recruit.
We're not going to get Cloke, Dawes, Hawkins etc.
Butcher and Reid are 2 interstate young guns that i'd love on our list but until there is a reliable source saying they want to return to Melbourne then there is no point even talking about it.

White is only 23 and has played some really good games.
If the worst happens and we lost Hampson, he'd also provide ruck cover.

He'd be relatively cheap would he not? (Sydney fans?).

I'd get him to the club and tell him he has to be a junkyard dog type full forward who takes no shit and will wear the navy blue as if he's going to war.
If he doesn't, he can wear the red like he's going to be delisted.

IMO we need to take a risk on a mature genuine KP sized player.
We don't need to develop Mitchell, Casboult and Henderson into Cloke, Franklin and Riewoldt in order to win a flag.
The obsession with building the perfect team is never ending and with 18 teams and such a wide spread of talent, is impossible.

Numerous premiership sides have included average players who just contributed. Look no further than Leigh Brown.

 

[Salaryman]

Depth is a dual edged sword.

Yet you want a CHB/Ruckman?? Which in and of itself is an interesting request and seems to imply Trengove.

 

[HARKER]

Yet you want a CHB/Ruckman?? Which in and of itself is an interesting request and seems to imply Trengove.

I had mentioned somewhere in the previous stand alone thread that I have warmed to the idea of Trengove.
Made a point of watching the Port game on the weekend and even though he didn't do much, I could see him being a good fit for us.
What are your thoughts on him and how could we get him?

Just hope for Hampson to be our Jesse White/Kurt Tippett. Still hoping.

 

[Salaryman]

Have cooled for what it would cost us.....keep the list together and look for another instrument to skin the cat?

 

[HARKER]

Have cooled for what it would cost us.....keep the list together and look for another instrument to skin the cat?

When you start looking at the available currency we have in possible trades, we find ourselves quite limited.
Once we take away the untouchables and the soldiers, we haven't really got much left.

Hampson's name will be continued to be raised as currency, then we can throw in Bower and Lucas and it falls off dramatically after that.
We won't trade our first round selection and hopefully no. 2 will be set aside for Buckley.

 

[Salaryman]

If you look where our depth lies, it is probably in the third tall/hybrid defender category. Might be worth trying to extract a young promising GCS player while the iron is hot.

 

[Jeremias]

I honestly cannot fathom why some are so strong in their support of Jesse White.

He's nigh on useless.

For a bloke his size he doesn't impose himself nearly enough on a contest. Hardly gets his hands on the ball. People go nuts at Hampson & Warnock for not taking enough marks for someone of their stature - just wait till we have Jesse White taking even less.

Not only does he not do enough with the ball, he also doesn't do enough without it. In this day and age you can't afford to have a player that doesn't apply pressure in the forward 50. White hardly offers anything in terms of pressure and his direct opponent would be able to waltz out of the backline nearly unopposed.

I'd much rather persist with Levi/Mitchell and Hampson/Kreuzer as our tall forwards than go after Jesse White.

The only redeeming feature of White is his size, which is what I suspect some on this board are basing their opinions regarding him on. However he's the classic case of someone that is built like Tarzan but plays like Jane. Just doesn't have the required hunger or the desperation for the contest and the ball.

Oh, and the fact that he kicked 4 or so in a game once against us.

As I said, if we so much as enquire about him I'll be disgusted.

 

[HARKER]

I honestly cannot fathom why some are so strong in their support of Jesse White.

I'd much rather persist with Levi/Mitchell and Hampson/Kreuzer as our tall forwards than go after Jesse White.

As I said, if we so much as enquire about him I'll be disgusted.

I just threw that in re. Hampson as a throw away line.
White and Tippett, like Hampson. throw in the good game that we all get hooked on and expect to see week in week out.

For what it's worth Hampson is also younger than Tippett and White.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I'm looking for some clarification.
I was under the impression, if we are going to take Dylan Buckley, father/son, we have to give up our closest draft pick???
Does that mean if we trade off our 1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on to top up on readymade players, we would then inturn only have to give up like a 6th rounder for him?

Let's face it, this draft is not the best, and if we are only a readymade player or 2 off, why not get them with our picks?
Dylan is the guy that we want from this draft and hopefully he turns into the player we hope he will. But if its all about giving our closest pick up for a father/son selection, why not take a gamble? Other clubs might rate him a first round smokey and then there goes that pick.

As i said, i need clarity on this subject, but why not trade bower, army, hampson off, get some better picks and then try and secure a Mitch Clark(probs gone already, although I haven't heard anything concrete), Butcher and Delideo???

 

[krayfesh]

The bidding for F/S selections happens before trade week to prevent those kinds of shenanigans.

 

[Salaryman]

GET HARTIGAN!.

...*efa*

 

[HereComesJuddy]

The bidding for F/S selections happens before trade week to prevent those kinds of shenanigans.

Well, if he is a 2nd selection, let's go hard at offloading the likes of army, joseph, mclean, bower and maybe more and give up our first(lets face it, it will be around 20 which is a hit and miss) and try and get a quality player like Mitch Clark, Deledio, Butcher, Trengove, Taylor Walker??? Someone that will help us out. I know a few of those names people will shun at, but aren't we close to a premiership? A top up of trades rather than a couple of maybes from the draft. Plus the player must be able to play 100+ games. Why not?

 

[zeeCFC]

Jesse White is so overrated...Would rather promote Levi.

Give me midfield depth! Collins, Lucas, Brock, Cachia, Joseph, Armfield* are the only ones who I can see as replacements who would purely play midfield. Of those names I'm only really hopeful that Collins will be a great player for us, Lucas a very close second.

Let's get some of those Gold Coast Suns!

 

[mac25]

When you start looking at the available currency we have in possible trades, we find ourselves quite limited.
Once we take away the untouchables and the soldiers, we haven't really got much left.

Hampson's name will be continued to be raised as currency, then we can throw in Bower and Lucas and it falls off dramatically after that.
We won't trade our first round selection and hopefully no. 2 will be set aside for Buckley.

The Magpies have picked up Tarrant/Jolly/Ball over the last few years without giving away too much at all, we are getting to the point with our list development were we need to ask what exactly do we need to take us all the way, our first task is to identify what specific needs our list requires and the two priorities should be a key forward and a another mid-fielder to support Judd.

We need to target players out of contract and or players that may have some real upside in the right environment, in terms of what we may need to give up probably some of the names you have mentioned which would be dependant upon the player identified, we did trade pick 11 for Mclean which was not a success but you would not rule out a pick 20+ our 1st pick for the right player

 

[HARKER]

The Magpies have picked up Tarrant/Jolly/Ball over the last few years without giving away too much at all, we are getting to the point with our list development were we need to ask what exactly do we need to take all the way, our first task is to identify what specific needs our list requires and the two priorities should be a key forward and a another mid-fielder to support Judd.

We need to target players out of contract and or players that may have some real upside in the right environment, in terms of what we may need to give up probably some of the names you have mentioned which would be dependant upon the player identified, we did trade pick 11 for Mclean which was not a success but you would not rule out a pick 20+ our 1st pick for the right player

Tarrant: 2nd. + 3rd rounder (something like that)
Ball: Pick 30 + a truckload of $$$
Jolly: Pick 14

We just won't have the picks nor possibly the money.
Would need to trim some serious fat to be in a strong position to attain A-Grade talent.

 

[rp84]

Tarrant: 2nd. + 3rd rounder (something like that)
Ball: Pick 30 + a truckload of $$$
Jolly: Pick 14

We just won't have the picks nor possibly the money.
Would need to trim some serious fat to be in a strong position to attain A-Grade talent.

We could definitely deal with losing a couple years of picks to pick up 25+ yo good players. We need to win the flag within the next five years, I feel.

Any pick out of the top 20 is usually speculative anyway. After 40, speculative at best. To pick up a few guys with 100+ games of experiece, would be worth a lot to the team.

There must be a few blokes around the leaugue that would chase a premiership.

 

[HARKER]

We could definitely deal with losing a couple years of picks to pick up 25+ yo good players. We need to win the flag within the next five years, I feel.

Any pick out of the top 20 is usually speculative anyway. After 40, speculative at best. To pick up a few guys with 100+ games of experiece, would be worth a lot to the team.

There must be a few blokes around the leaugue that would chase a premiership.

Our first pick will be in the early 20s. and we may just have to use that on Buckley.
If not, we may be happy to use it during the trade period but that will be at the risk of losing Buckley.

I think we have some tradable commodities, but who ever knows how that may pan out.

There are some here with far better knowledge than I, so would love to hear from them as to what possibilities they see.

 

[mac25]

Tarrant: 2nd. + 3rd rounder (something like that)
Ball: Pick 30 + a truckload of $$$
Jolly: Pick 14

We just won't have the picks nor possibly the money.
Would need to trim some serious fat to be in a strong position to attain A-Grade talent.

The Magpies recruitment strategy is well justified even more so if they can win two in a row, we should have some scope in our cap, we have one superstar Judd and Murphy who has resigned for significant $, we have a backended Judd contract, both Gibbs & Kruezer are still not in the big $ category, l would be surprised if there is not some scope to attract at least a reasonably good player to enhance our list.

It would be interesting to know what sort of dollars we are paying Mclean and how that was structured whether it was front end loaded or not.

 

[Stamos]

You also have to remember that those 3 Pies recruits all came under special circumstances. Jolley and Tarrant were both returning to Melbourne for family reasons, and Ball was not getting the love from his coach, and was adamant about getting to Collingwood. His overall contract was perhaps even under market value, but the Pies were able to frame it so that he was unaffordable to any other clubs.

The Ball deal in particular would not be possible in last years or this years trading/draft periods.

 

[HARKER]

The Magpies recruitment strategy is well justified even more so if they can win two in a row, we should have some scope in our cap, we have one superstar Judd and Murphy who has resigned for significant $, we have a backended Judd contract, both Gibbs & Kruezer are still not in the big $ category, l would be surprised if there is not some scope to attract at least a reasonably good player to enhance our list.

That's not right is it?

Judd's deal was front loaded mening we free up some dollars as it goes along.
No Fev now also must be a huge help.

I know we've re-signed some on bigger dollars but we may still have some lazy dollars available.

 

[mac25]

That's not right is it?

Judd's deal was front loaded mening we free up some dollars as it goes along.
No Fev now also must be a huge help.

I know we've re-signed some on bigger dollars but we may still have some lazy dollars available.

Sorry that was my error meant to say Judd's deal was supposedly front-end loaded which we should make a difference.

 

[juddsentant517]

I honestly cannot fathom why some are so strong in their support of Jesse White.

He's nigh on useless.

For a bloke his size he doesn't impose himself nearly enough on a contest. Hardly gets his hands on the ball. People go nuts at Hampson & Warnock for not taking enough marks for someone of their stature - just wait till we have Jesse White taking even less.

Not only does he not do enough with the ball, he also doesn't do enough without it. In this day and age you can't afford to have a player that doesn't apply pressure in the forward 50. White hardly offers anything in terms of pressure and his direct opponent would be able to waltz out of the backline nearly unopposed.

I'd much rather persist with Levi/Mitchell and Hampson/Kreuzer as our tall forwards than go after Jesse White.

The only redeeming feature of White is his size, which is what I suspect some on this board are basing their opinions regarding him on. However he's the classic case of someone that is built like Tarzan but plays like Jane. Just doesn't have the required hunger or the desperation for the contest and the ball.

Oh, and the fact that he kicked 4 or so in a game once against us.

As I said, if we so much as enquire about him I'll be disgusted.

That is a confidence thing, as demonstrated by Henderson. When playing well, he is marking everything, crashing packs and kicking goals. However, when down on confidence, he can't get near it.

Even With JK, we are still sorely lacking a FF. The closest thing we have is Setanta, and some depth in that position would be great.

Just to exemplify my point

Collingwood: Dawes, Keefe
Geelong: Podsiadly, Vardy, Hawkins
Hawthorn: Franklin, Roughead, Lisle
West Coast: Darling, Lynch