Analysis 'Random Statistics that don't warrant a thread' Thread?

[Gralin]

Friday week's Qualifying Final will be our first final without either Jarryd Roughead or Lance Franklin since...the Goldspink preliminary final of 2001!

 

[Hawk Hawkins]

100% of the times we beat Geelong in a final I am happy.

 

[IdiotBox]

Dewnior noted on the Hawks vs Geelong QF preview thread that we'd achieved the relatively rare feat of making the Ladder top 4 for 6 consecutive years and asked what other clubs have recently done this. I've taken the indulgence and repeated my time-consuming researched reply here in this 'random stats' thread... so I apologise if what you are about to read looks familiar...

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Someone correctly answered with "Hawthorn"!

I had a quick squizz at afltables. http://afltables.com/afl/seas/ladders/ladderstbt.html

The most recent superior effort in this regard is, of course, Hawthorn with 8 consecutive years from 1982-1989.

however, we were almost usurped by Carlton who had two lots of 5 years between 1978 and 1988 interrupted only by a 5th position in 1983. So, they would have had 11!

North also clocked up 7 in a row in the 70's.

Cats achieved 8 between 1962-1970 and also 7 between 1950-1956.

Melbourne ruled the world between 1954-1964 (11 in a row).

There were a few other impressive efforts by some of the foundation clubs back in the steam age (1900 - 1935) but given how few teams were around then I really don't give similar runs as much weight as the 'modern' era.

Interestingly, Gold Coast have never finished higher than 12th!

 

[Dewnior]

In the modern era where a top 4 finish nets you a double chance, we are the only club ever to have achieved this feat 6 consecutive times

 

[grumbleguts]

Thought this would be as good a place as any for this
Congrats seysearles on winning $300 in the bigfooty tipping comp.

 

[seysearles]

Thought this would be as good a place as any for this
Congrats seysearles on winning $300 in the bigfooty tipping comp.

Cheers gg. Was a pretty epic battle all season. Fell short by one tip in the end.

 

[stemline]

Our indigenous players have played 999 games for the club. Either Cyril or Silk this week will take us to 1000.

1	182		Franklin, Lance			
2	179		Rioli, Cyril			
3	177		Bateman, Chance			
4	163		Burgoyne, Shaun			
5	111		Williams, Mark			
6	95		Hill, Bradley			
7	20		Stokes, Cameron			
8	18		Miller, Harry			
9	17		Peterson, Carl			
10	13		Collard, Cyril			
11	10		Anderson, Jed			
12	6		Hooper, Rhan			
13	5		Cummings, Percy			
14	2		Lovell, Kieran			
15	1		Wanganeen, Derick			
						
Tot	999

 

[The Lemon]

Our indigenous players have played 999 games for the club. Either Cyril or Silk this week will take us to 1000.

1    182        Franklin, Lance           
2    179        Rioli, Cyril           
3    177        Bateman, Chance           
4    163        Burgoyne, Shaun           
5    111        Williams, Mark           
6    95        Hill, Bradley           
7    20        Stokes, Cameron           
8    18        Miller, Harry           
9    17        Peterson, Carl           
10    13        Collard, Cyril           
11    10        Anderson, Jed           
12    6        Hooper, Rhan           
13    5        Cummings, Percy           
14    2        Lovell, Kieran           
15    1        Wanganeen, Derick           
                       
Tot    999

Geez Hooper and Peterson were exciting on their day

 

[tommyk72]

Our indigenous players have played 999 games for the club. Either Cyril or Silk this week will take us to 1000.

1    182        Franklin, Lance           
2    179        Rioli, Cyril           
3    177        Bateman, Chance           
4    163        Burgoyne, Shaun           
5    111        Williams, Mark           
6    95        Hill, Bradley           
7    20        Stokes, Cameron           
8    18        Miller, Harry           
9    17        Peterson, Carl           
10    13        Collard, Cyril           
11    10        Anderson, Jed           
12    6        Hooper, Rhan           
13    5        Cummings, Percy           
14    2        Lovell, Kieran           
15    1        Wanganeen, Derick           
                       
Tot    999

I think this post is in the wrong thread. Ithink it nearly deserves one of its own. I'd be interested to know the figures from other clubs. Well done on pulling it together.

 

[grumbleguts]

Here is a graph of the net margin over all matches. (Oyr lowest point was -14,900 points after a round 8 loss by 1 point to Richmond in 1968. Our highest point has been +1395 points after a 39 point win to North Melbourne in round 21 2016.

 

[OzJohnnie]

Here is a graph of the net margin over all matches. (Oyr lowest point was -14,900 points after a round 8 loss by 1 point to Richmond in 1968. Our highest point has been +1395 points after a 39 point win to North Melbourne in round 21 2016.

Wow. The 70's and 80's dug out of a big hole.

 

[stemline]

If you add up all our HFC games, Reserves games + Box Hill games, 3rds/U19s + Box Hill Dev games, then this morning the Dev Squad played our 5000th game!

 

[grumbleguts]

I was pondering on why our goals for/against ledger reached the positive a season before the total score analogue, and wondered if it was our accuracy over the 92 years snice we were formed that did it. Turns out to be something else.

Here's a list in order of the most accurate teams:
Team Percentage accuracy
Port Adelaide 53.02
Fremantle 52.89
Adelaide 52.45
GWS 52.39
West Coast 52.37
Brisbane Lions 52.35
Brisbane Bears 52.25
Gold Coast 51.03
Hawthorn 50.78
North Melbourne 50.41
Bulldogs 49.91
Essendon 49.4
Geelong 49.34
Richmond 49.15
Melbourne 48.92
Carlton 48.69
St Kilda 48.65
Collingwood 48.56
Sydney/Sth Melb 48.55
Fitzroy 47.1
University 42.56

Notice a couple of things of interest: All those teams that joined the league after 1980 are at the top of the list. (When ground had better drainage and training was more intense.) Hawthorn is the most accurate team of those that joined prior to the 1980s expansion.

Then I looked at accuracy of the opponent for each of these teams. How accurate are their opponents when playing against them. This would negate the better conditions somewhat and give us an idea of defensive structures in the long term:

Team Percentage accuracy of opponent
University 43.81
Fitzroy 47.78
Collingwood 48.12
Carlton 48.19
Essendon 48.74
Sydney/Sth Melb 48.74
Geelong 48.77
St Kilda 49.16
Melbourne 49.24
Richmond 49.52
Hawthorn 49.66
Bulldogs 50.18
North Melbourne 50.37
Brisbane Bears 51.93
West Coast 53
Brisbane Lions 53.02
Adelaide 53.24
Port Adelaide 53.27
Gold Coast 53.28
Fremantle 53.35
GWS 54.38

This table is in reverse order, because the less accurate the opponent the better the team is. ie Geelong's defense allows their opponents to be 48.77% accurate while GWS allows them to score goals 54.38% of their scoring shots. As you can see, it appears university reigns here. This indicates it is more likely the modern ground conditions and modern training times rather than team ability that holds sway in terms of overall accuracy. But where the data really becomes interesting is when you provide the ration of these two pieces of data.

ie same ground same same conditions, which team kicks accurately while forbidding their opposition to do so?

Team For/Against accuracy ratio
Hawthorn 1.0226
Essendon 1.0135
Geelong 1.0117
Carlton 1.0104
Collingwood 1.0091
Brisbane Bears 1.0062
North Melbourne 1.0008
Sydney/Sth Melb 0.9961
Port Adelaide 0.9953
Bulldogs 0.9946
Melbourne 0.9935
Richmond 0.9925
Fremantle 0.9914
St Kilda 0.9896
West Coast 0.9881
Brisbane Lions 0.9874
Fitzroy 0.9858
Adelaide 0.9852
University 0.9715
GWS 0.9634
Gold Coast 0.9578

And this it most likely why Hawthorn were ahead on goals kicked vs conceded an entire season before we were ahead on points.

 

[grumbleguts]

Eerily similar between 20006 and 2017. (from last round)

............W L D F A %
2006 5 8 0 1036 1312 79.0
2017 5 8 0 1043 1312 79.5

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

Eerily similar between 20006 and 2017. (from last round)

............W L D F A %
2006 5 8 0 1036 1312 79.0
2017 5 8 0 1043 1312 79.5

20006, lol's in a statistical post

 

[grumbleguts]

20006, lol's in a statistical post

Spilt coffee on my keyboard a couple of years back, it repeats keys all the time(especiallly doubled letters). Got sick and tired of going back over everything I type, and fixing it, now if it is obvious even to an idiot what it means, I leave it as it is.

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

Spilt coffee on my keyboard a couple of years back, it repeats keys all the time(especiallly doubled letters). Got sick and tired of going back over everything I type, and fixing it, now if it is obvious even to an idiot what it means, I leave it as it is.

You should do the same for others. Cheers thumbs up emoji.

 

[grumbleguts]

You should do the same for others. Cheers thumbs up emoji.

That's why I ignore spelling mistakes.

 

[grumbleguts]

The ladder for teams vs the top nine.

The ladder for teams vs the bottom nine.

 

[IdiotBox]

The ladder for teams vs the top nine.

The ladder for teams vs the bottom nine.

Nice work!
Is the top/bottom 9 as they were on a weekly basis, week by week changing over time... or as the top/bottom 9 sits right now after 15 rounds?

 

[grumbleguts]

Nice work!
Is the top/bottom 9 as they were on a weekly basis, week by week changing over time... or as the top/bottom 9 sits right now after 15 rounds?

Top and Boottom nine as they sit right now.

 

[Seagull Supremacy]

Yesterday was Hawthorn's 900th home-and-away win, to go with 950 losses and 10 draws.

 

[IdiotBox]

Not a Hawthorn stat but worthy none-the-less. The West Coast Josh Kennedy looks more than likely to win the Coleman for the 3rd year running.
He has averaged 4 goals a game for his 16 games this year whereas his immediate competition (Daniher, Buddy, Brown) have all played in every game possible. Franklin's inaccuracy (59.54) has cost him big time.

 

[Pessimistic]

Yesterday was Hawthorn's 900th home-and-away win, to go with 950 losses and 10 draws.

At least this season is only marginally negative

 

[stemline]

So Tom Mitchell had his 1000th disposal for Hawthorn. Took him 28 games.

Previous fastest were John Platten and Dean Anderson who took 45 games.