Random Random Thoughts Rebooted

[CD__]

I wont pretend to be a drug expert at all. Im just sick of people ruining others lives with their behaviour and also people profiting from the misery of people and their families

Yeh I agree 100%...I'm no expert either but I've seen both sides and think it's important to make the distinction.

 

[The King!]

Yeh I agree 100%...I'm no expert either but I've seen both sides and think it's important to make the distinction.

Appreciate that 100% mate. Good point.

 

[bedford]

Ice is genuinely horrific and is destroying countless lives every day, but there is a massive difference between that and the types of drugs that would have been at the event Bedford was referring to. The majority of the people there who were indulging in party drugs so to speak would never touch ice, completely different crowds.

Bullshit they don't mate and that's not a crack at you.

 

[CD__]

Bullshit they don't mate and that's not a crack at you.

I know it's not mate but I think I'd have a better idea than you on this topic given most of them are around my age and I had quite a few friends there. Ice isn't a party drug in any way, shape or form...it's for deadbeat junkies.

 

[The King!]

We all have different experiences, think we can agree too much damage is being done!

 

[bedford]

I know it's not mate but I think I'd have a better idea than you on this topic given most of them are around my age and I had quite a few friends there. Ice isn't a party drug in any way, shape or form...it's for deadbeat junkies.

Mate I do know, there are a few on here that might acknowledge what ive been through

 

[Punts]

It's a social drug that's why it got so many

The days of young guys heading down the pub for a beer are gone

It's let's sit at a mates a get the crack pipe

Far from a party drug

 

[bedford]

We need to get tough, not being nice. Hang the dealers.

 

[Punts]

It can't be policed though and never will be able too

The amount that's getting made and coming in would be major major amounts

Only way anyone can stop if addicted is to do it themselves and get far and away from that crowd but they always seem to make there way back

It's a shocking drug

 

[Number37]

I know it's not mate but I think I'd have a better idea than you on this topic given most of them are around my age and I had quite a few friends there. Ice isn't a party drug in any way, shape or form...it's for deadbeat junkies.

Research shows that anyone that is willing to try 'party' drugs eventually ends up trying other drugs.
The problem with trying ice is that it is highly addictive.
The availability of ice is absolutely scary.
Together it is a recipe for disaster and a good reason why we should never dismiss drugs as just 'party drugs'.

 

[bedford]

Research shows that anyone that is willing to try 'party' drugs eventually ends up trying other drugs.
The problem with trying ice is that it is highly addictive.
The availability of ice is absolutely scary.
Together it is a recipe for disaster and a good reason why we should never dismiss drugs as just 'party drugs'.

How true mate, there are no good drugs, except the ones that can save a life

 

[Number37]

RIP Dan Vickerman.

 

[bedford]

RIP Dan Vickerman.

Who is he

 

[J_Moore]

Research shows that anyone that is willing to try 'party' drugs eventually ends up trying other drugs.

lol source plz (research does not show that)

 

[bedford]

lol source plz (research does not show that)

It does lead, believe me.

 

[Number37]

lol source plz (research does not show that)

Fuller, C.M., Vlahov, D., Ompad, D.C., Shah, N., Arria, A., Strathdee, S.A. High-risk behaviors associated with transition from illicit non-injection to injection drug use among adolescent and young adult drug users: A case–control study. Drug and Alcohol Dependence. 2002;66:189–198.

Grau, L.E., Dasgupta, N., Harvey, A.P., Irwin, K., Givens, A., Kinzly, M.L. et al, Illicit use of opioids: Is OxyContin a “gateway drug”?. American Journal on Addictions. 2007;16:166–173.

Parker, H. Illegal leisure: The normalisation of adolescent recreational drug use. John Aldridge and Fiona Measham Routledge, London; 1998.

Roy, E., Haley, N., Leclerc, P., Cedras, L., Blais, L., Boivin, J.F. Drug injection among street youths in Montreal: Predictors of initiation. Journal of Urban Health. 2003;80:92–105.

Sherman, S.G., Fuller, C.M., Shah, N., Ompad, D.V., Vlahov, D., Strathdee, S.A. Correlates of initiation of injection drug use among young drug users in Baltimore, Maryland: The need for early intervention. Journal of Psychoactive Drugs. 2005;37:437–443.

 

[Number37]

Who is he

Former Wallaby.
37 years old. Wife & 2 kids.
Suicide.

 

[Number37]

lol source plz (research does not show that)

Of course there are many factors that can lead to drug addiction.
Note that my original statement was that it leads to 'trying other drugs' not necessarily drug addiction.

I am pretty sure that trying drugs is a major factor that leads to drug addiction.

http://theconversation.com/the-most-damaging-gateway-to-hard-drugs-drugs-policy-itself-55410

 

[bedford]

Former Wallaby.
37 years old. Wife & 2 kids.
Suicide.

Sorry never heard of him, that's sad.

 

[J_Moore]

Fuller, C.M., Vlahov, D., Ompad, D.C., Shah, N., Arria, A., Strathdee, S.A. High-risk behaviors associated with transition from illicit non-injection to injection drug use among adolescent and young adult drug users: A case–control study. Drug and Alcohol Dependence. 2002;66:189–198.

Grau, L.E., Dasgupta, N., Harvey, A.P., Irwin, K., Givens, A., Kinzly, M.L. et al, Illicit use of opioids: Is OxyContin a “gateway drug”?. American Journal on Addictions. 2007;16:166–173.

Parker, H. Illegal leisure: The normalisation of adolescent recreational drug use. John Aldridge and Fiona Measham Routledge, London; 1998.

Roy, E., Haley, N., Leclerc, P., Cedras, L., Blais, L., Boivin, J.F. Drug injection among street youths in Montreal: Predictors of initiation. Journal of Urban Health. 2003;80:92–105.

Sherman, S.G., Fuller, C.M., Shah, N., Ompad, D.V., Vlahov, D., Strathdee, S.A. Correlates of initiation of injection drug use among young drug users in Baltimore, Maryland: The need for early intervention. Journal of Psychoactive Drugs. 2005;37:437–443.

Of course there are many factors that can lead to drug addiction.
Note that my original statement was that it leads to 'trying other drugs' not necessarily drug addiction.

I am pretty sure that trying drugs is a major factor that leads to drug addiction.

http://theconversation.com/the-most-damaging-gateway-to-hard-drugs-drugs-policy-itself-55410

Your original statement was that all people who are willing to try 'party drugs' eventually move on to harder drugs. That is patently false, and not what any of those sources show.

The Conversation article you just linked to explicitly says "...the gateway theory starts to look flimsy when you consider the fact that not everyone who uses cannabis goes on to use heroin."

Almost hard drug users would have used party drugs first, and legal drugs before that. But you can't extrapolate from that "taking pingers means you will eventually inject smack", or "all people who drink alcohol will eventually use ice".

 

[CD__]

Research shows that anyone that is willing to try 'party' drugs eventually ends up trying other drugs.
The problem with trying ice is that it is highly addictive.
The availability of ice is absolutely scary.
Together it is a recipe for disaster and a good reason why we should never dismiss drugs as just 'party drugs'.

Alcohol causes immeasurably more societal problems than recreational drugs though yet there is nobody advocating it being made illegal?

 

[bedford]

Alcohol causes immeasurably more societal problems than recreational drugs though yet there is nobody advocating it being made illegal?

Ice is the killer, that's it.

 

[CD__]

Ice is the killer, that's it.

Yeh I should have been more specific, wasn't including ice in that ^^

 

[McEvoy]

There is no defending illicit drugs.

Call some of them pingers or party drugs to make yourselves feel better about them if you like, but they're still illicit drugs.... and they can kill you.

Alcohol and tobacco belong in a different conversation IMO.

 

[J_Moore]

There is no defending illicit drugs.

Call some of them pingers or party drugs to make yourselves feel better about them if you like, but they're still illicit drugs.... and they can kill you.

Alcohol and tobacco belong in a different conversation IMO.

Why?