Random Random Thoughts Rebooted

[The King!]

If you don't mind me giving my two bobs worth.
When we look at murderers and bad people in general we tend to think people can't/don't want to change but how many people do you know that say they want to change themselves? Just small things, e.g. be less worried about work and more worried about family. Is that people changing or being their true selves?
Is there a difference between a murderer saying "I want to change" and a career minded person saying "I want to change"?
Anthropologists will tell you that you are a product of your environment so does that mean in order to change you have to change your environment?
I am of the view that people don't change, however, you can change their environment.

Well depends on the change we are talking about

It may involve changing your environment but in some cases that may be putting a plant on your desk versus moving to another country

If people cannot change then why bother treating mental illness for instance?



But i see where you are coming from in terms of the environment shaping behaviour but then is a choice to engage in that environmental change a change in itself?

 

[Dangas]

 

[GotTheGoodes]

In a sense (just my view) that as a collective people do not want to change/feel they cannot (in many cases legitimately so) so never do.

Hence generations of a family in the same area, in the same troubles perhaps

What do you think?

Perhaps that is what ends up happening but I don't think it has to be. I think each individual is only limited by their willingness to be limited.

 

[The King!]

Perhaps that is what ends up happening but I don't think it has to be. I think each individual is only limited by their willingness to be limited.

I agree, but collective change will be driven by the individual will, forming into a collective

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[Number37]

Well depends on the change we are talking about

It may involve changing your environment but in some cases that may be putting a plant on your desk versus moving to another country

If people cannot change then why bother treating mental illness for instance?



But i see where you are coming from in terms of the environment shaping behaviour but then is a choice to engage in that environmental change a change in itself?

Not sure about the mental illness thing. A bit like saying someone with a broken leg behaves differently. That is a little different.
I believe people are good, but put them in the wrong environment they make poor choices.
What do you know about Theory X and Theory Y?

 

[RW]

This bar has changed

I feel like I can retire now that you are all talking happily in the bar without me having to move you here

 

[The King!]

Not sure about the mental illness thing. A bit like saying someone with a broken leg behaves differently. That is a little different.
I believe people are good, but put them in the wrong environment they make poor choices.
What do you know about Theory X and Theory Y?

Assumptions of the worker ?

 

[Number37]

Assumptions of the worker ?

Kind of.
Companies claim Theory Y in reality Theory X predominates. (As research would suggest, I don't have that research at hand so J Moore might not believe me).

 

[Number37]

I feel like I can retire now that you are all talking happily in the bar without me having to move you here

There is only so many times one can write or read that player A is good, or player B is bad.

 

[Punts]

Anyone get sick and tired of inlaws always poping over

Swear my misses mum has been here all week

Drives me insane

 

[The King!]

Anyone get sick and tired of inlaws always poping over

Swear my misses mum has been here all week

Drives me insane

You gotta send the kid over there more thats the secret

 

[The King!]

Kind of.
Companies claim Theory Y in reality Theory X predominates. (As research would suggest, I don't have that research at hand so J Moore might not believe me).

Ill have a read

Sounds interesting

 

[vonn]

Well depends on the change we are talking about

It may involve changing your environment but in some cases that may be putting a plant on your desk versus moving to another country

If people cannot change then why bother treating mental illness for instance?



But i see where you are coming from in terms of the environment shaping behaviour but then is a choice to engage in that environmental change a change in itself?

I recently had a really interesting course which covered spatial inequalities and poverty traps which then spiral things like depression, crime, etc. etc. I haven't really ever read that kind of literature before but it really opened my eyes to how society can be structured against you from the day you are born. A lot of the times it's not just about making a decision to change, but about whether you can, and what kind of discrimination you'd face. A lot of people (myself included) think that everything is within our control and if we don't like something we can change that, but society - literally everything from education, opportunity, law, superannuation, etc. etc. can be weighted against some people, and it's really hard to change things when what needs to change is society itself. It's really interesting stuff actually, and I'm keen to learn more about it because a thirteen week course is barely scratching the surface... but this was a really good journal that has stuck with me:
Stilwell and Jordan (2007), 'Who gets What? Analysing Economic Inequality in Australia.'

 

[bedford]

All I want is my son to be back normal, even ,more than another flag.

 

[The King!]

HAHAHAHAHA

Cmon thats not fair

 

[bedford]

Cmon thats not fair

Where's the other expert gone. CSEOTKAC

 

[The King!]

Where's the other expert gone. CSEOTKAC

I hope your son is ok too

 

[GotTheGoodes]

I recently had a really interesting course which covered spatial inequalities and poverty traps which then spiral things like depression, crime, etc. etc. I haven't really ever read that kind of literature before but it really opened my eyes to how society can be structured against you from the day you are born. A lot of the times it's not just about making a decision to change, but about whether you can, and what kind of discrimination you'd face. A lot of people (myself included) think that everything is within our control and if we don't like something we can change that, but society - literally everything from education, opportunity, law, superannuation, etc. etc. can be weighted against some people, and it's really hard to change things when what needs to change is society itself. It's really interesting stuff actually, and I'm keen to learn more about it because a thirteen week course is barely scratching the surface... but this was a really good journal that has stuck with me:
Stilwell and Jordan (2007), 'Who gets What? Analysing Economic Inequality in Australia.'

Cool, cheers Vonn.

 

[RW]

Two parts

1- can people change- not just clothes but more so performance, ability even intelligence

And if you say yes to that then

2- can a leader/manager drive/manage/help people change or not change

1- Yes, they can change, but only to become the best possible versions of themselves. When we came into the world we were given a certain amount of potential - it's our job to figure out what to do with it. This requires making a correct assessment of one's abilities. As swansfan51 often points out, it's no point expecting Gary Rohan to average 30 possessions a game because he's never done that consistently at any level. But as an impact player he can do his best to make sure that his limited possessions count in terms of creating goalscoring opportunities.

2- Yes, but they have to figure out how to get the best out of that person first, since we are not all created equal.

A related question - is everything within our control?
The answer is no, certainly not. All kinds of things happen every day that we have no control over - like Trump becoming President, the umps screwing us in a grand final, movements in the stock market, or a family member becoming ill. It can be tempting, when bad things happen to us, to respond by saying life isn't fair, but I don't like the concept of fairness since fairness is subjective. What seems fair to one might be unfair to another. We don't know why some things happen, but we can still control how we respond to them.

Getting back to what the king posted yesterday about success - success doesn't mean not having any problems or challenges. The only people who don't have problems are six feet underground! Challenges are often sent to us to help us realise and achieve our potential. Having said that, sometimes we are given challenges in life that appear impossible to overcome, and we don't know why (at least the answer is not in this world). So what do we do then? We might not be able to change things (now), but I've always believed in this Viktor Frankl quote: "Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way."

Can I get my life expert badge now?

 

[bedford]

1- Yes, they can change, but only to become the best possible versions of themselves. When we came into the world we were given a certain amount of potential - it's our job to figure out what to do with it. This requires making a correct assessment of one's abilities. As swansfan51 often points out, it's no point expecting Gary Rohan to average 30 possessions a game because he's never done that consistently at any level. But as an impact player he can do his best to make sure that his limited possessions count in terms of creating goalscoring opportunities.

2- Yes, but they have to figure out how to get the best out of that person first, since we are not all created equal.

A related question - is everything within our control?
The answer is no, certainly not. All kinds of things happen every day that we have no control over - like Trump becoming President, the umps screwing us in a grand final, movements in the stock market, or a family member becoming ill. It can be tempting, when bad things happen to us, to respond by saying life isn't fair, but I don't like the concept of fairness since fairness is subjective. What seems fair to one might be unfair to another. We don't know why some things happen, but we can still control how we respond to them.

Getting back to what the king posted yesterday about success - success doesn't mean not having any problems or challenges. The only people who don't have problems are six feet underground! Challenges are often sent to us to help us realise and achieve our potential. Having said that, sometimes we are given challenges in life that appear impossible to overcome, and we don't know why (at least the answer is not in this world). So what do we do then? We might not be able to change things (now), but I've always believed in this Viktor Frankl quote: "Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way."

Can I get my life expert badge now?

No, sorry, it takes a few years of persistence . However , doesn't take much to be a cricket one.

 

[miggs]

wtf has happened to this place

 

[Klim]

Anyone get sick and tired of inlaws always poping over

Swear my misses mum has been here all week

Drives me insane

 

[RW]

I think we need an expert badge for bedford

 

[Klim]

I think we need an expert badge for bedford

Just give me permission and I'll simplify it down to badge size and send it in.

 

[The King!]

I think we need an expert badge for bedford

And a bedford badge for miggs