Random trade proposal thread

[eathb]

Nuggets/T'Wolves... well i'll hope for anyway:

Nuggets get: Mike Miller + Kevin Ollie
T'Wolves get: Linas Kleiza, Renaldo Balkman, Steven Hunter, 2nd rounder (from OKC)

Why for Denver?
- Mike Miller + Melo + Billups + JR... damn that's a lot of nice offensive threats that go all the way to the 3 range.
- Kevin Ollie is probably useless... but gives us a 3rd PG which we don't have.

C - Nene
PF - KMart
SF - Melo
SG - Miller
PG - Billups / Carter / Ollie

Why for Minnesota?
- They get 2 decent young players in Kleiza and Balkman who SHOULD make their rotation.
- They get the option of cutting Weems cheaply (his contract is only 400k or something)
- They get an early 2nd rounder to compensate on taking Steven Hunter.

C - Al Jefferson
PF - Craig Smith / Renaldo Balkman
SF - Ryan Gomes / Linas Kleiza
SG - Randy Foye / McCants / Carney / Weems
PG - Telfair

 

[Vegas.]

You said Kevin Love in the inital trade... You mean Kevin Ollie right?

 

[eathb]

oh yeah Kevin Ollie that's right... damn typo

 

[Messenger]

Nuggets/T'Wolves... well i'll hope for anyway:

Nuggets get: Mike Miller + Kevin Ollie
T'Wolves get: Linas Kleiza, Renaldo Balkman, Steven Hunter, 2nd rounder (from OKC)

Why for Denver?
- Mike Miller + Melo + Billups + JR... damn that's a lot of nice offensive threats that go all the way to the 3 range.
- Kevin Ollie is probably useless... but gives us a 3rd PG which we don't have.

C - Nene
PF - KMart
SF - Melo
SG - Miller
PG - Billups / Carter / Ollie

Why for Minnesota?
- They get 2 decent young players in Kleiza and Balkman who SHOULD make their rotation.
- They get the option of cutting Weems cheaply (his contract is only 400k or something)
- They get an early 2nd rounder to compensate on taking Steven Hunter.

C - Al Jefferson
PF - Craig Smith / Renaldo Balkman
SF - Ryan Gomes / Linas Kleiza
SG - Randy Foye / McCants / Carney / Weems
PG - Telfair

It's a so-so deal. Happy to deal Miller, but given what he is worth next season (as a starter with a $9mil expiring), this is a little light on.

Ollie > Carter. I shit you not.

Kleiza I don't mind and is an upgrade on Ryan Gomes at the 3. But is he a starter? Wolves have cap room a-plenty - could we get a better player on the free agent list in either 09 or '10?

Balkman? Gets in line behind Love and Smith in the undersize PF depth chart.

We certainly don't need another SG, so Weems gets the push.

Now I know the Nugs would never do this deal, but I'd like to see:

Miller and Boston's 2009 first rounder for Nene

Al at the PF with Nene at C. Mmmmm.........

 

[mdc]

I might be alone on this, but I definitely think Kleiza is a starter on the right team, and I think he's a flat out better player than Miller at this point.

He reminds me a lot of Nocioni when he first came over to the Bulls, before injuries stripped him of most of his athleticism.

Unlike Miller, Kleiza doesn't need a lot of touches to score (and he scores better than Miller ever has), he's genuinely tough, and his rebound rate is very solid for a SF.

Basically, if I were the NBA trade ombudsman, I'd say a fair deal would be something like Mike Miller + Boston's 1st for Kleiza + contracts.

Not only that, I couldn't possibly think of a worse fit for Denver than Mike Miller. You know, because they're really short of scorers who can't/won't play defense.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Unlike Miller, Kleiza doesn't need a lot of touches to score (and he scores better than Miller ever has),

By what measurement?

 

[mdc]

By what measurement?

Scores at 16.7 per 36 minutes, Mike Miller is 15.7 per 36 minutes for his career (his best season is actually 17.0, so I was a bit off). But Kleiza doesn't get as many touches as Mikey Mike either.

While we're here....David West + Antonio Daniels (expires 2010) + 1st for Amare Stoudemire. Who turns that down?

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Scores at 16.7 per 36 minutes, Mike Miller is 15.7 per 36 minutes for his career (his best season is actually 17.0, so I was a bit off). But Kleiza doesn't get as many touches as Mikey Mike either.

While we're here....David West + Antonio Daniels (expires 2010) + 1st for Amare Stoudemire. Who turns that down?

Amare with CP3? Jesus, that is terrifying. With Chandler Amare's defensive suckiness isn't exposed much either.

 

[Messenger]

I might be alone on this, but I definitely think Kleiza is a starter on the right team, and I think he's a flat out better player than Miller at this point.

Stats say yes.

Unlike Miller, Kleiza doesn't need a lot of touches to score (and he scores better than Miller ever has), he's genuinely tough, and his rebound rate is very solid for a SF.

There is a substantial difference in their time in the league, and you could argue Kleiza is yet to peak, but Miller has 6ppg over him right now. edit: Just read your previous post re per 36 min. point taken.

Basically, if I were the NBA trade ombudsman, I'd say a fair deal would be something like Mike Miller + Boston's 1st for Kleiza + contracts.

Miller will have better value as an expiring in 2010. Boston's first may not be a great player (and a guaranteed deal to boot), but I don't imagine Minnesota would take on much in the way of contracts for Linus Kleiza.

Not only that, I couldn't possibly think of a worse fit for Denver than Mike Miller. You know, because they're really short of scorers who can't/won't play defense.

Very True. And he's not doing the scoring bit either.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Scores at 16.7 per 36 minutes, Mike Miller is 15.7 per 36 minutes for his career (his best season is actually 17.0, so I was a bit off). But Kleiza doesn't get as many touches as Mikey Mike either.

That doesnt account for pace.

And Miller is a superior passer, rebounder and ball handler.

While we're here....David West + Antonio Daniels (expires 2010) + 1st for Amare Stoudemire. Who turns that down?

I watched West in the pick and roll more closely since a NOH fan here told me he isnt great in it, and that poster was correct, his timing isnt quite right. Not sure that works with Nash. Of course NOH all over it.

I think LMA running pick and pops with Nash is a better fit

 

[mdc]

That doesnt account for pace.

Usually this would be a good point...but I just looked it up, and Memphis 07 played at 93.6, Memphis 08 played at 95.3 (those being Miller's best) and Denver 09 plays at 94.6. So pace is a non-factor in this case.

And Miller is a superior passer, rebounder and ball handler.

Passing and ball-handling I'll happily give you. Rebounding, numbers suggest Miller's every-so-slightly ahead on the d-boards, and Kleiza kills him on the o-boards.

I watched West in the pick and roll more closely since a NOH fan here told me he isnt great in it, and that poster was correct, his timing isnt quite right. Not sure that works with Nash. Of course NOH all over it.

It's not that his timing is off, he just doesn't know how to set a fking screen.

I think LMA running pick and pops with Nash is a better fit

Lamarcus is no better at setting screens. They're basically the same player, only Lamarcus is a much better runner, and West is much better in iso situations.

The benefit for Portland is also not nearly as great as it would be for NO.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

If NOH land Amare he'll average 40ppg over a season.

He won't have to play defense (moot point, because even if he did have to, he wouldn't)

They have no backup at PF.

CP3. 'Nuff said.

If CP3 was able to get West averaging 25... sheeeeeeit.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I remember someone on here telling me that he was better than Garnett, and will be a franchise player for years to come.

This was when I raised the point that Phoenix would have been better taking that Amare for Garnett deal instead of axeing Marion for Shaq.

In hindsight, I'd say I was on the money.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

This was when I raised the point that Phoenix would have been better taking that Amare for Garnett deal instead of axeing Marion for Shaq.

I wonder what happened behind the scenes of that mad scramble for KG.

There were rumours of a deal (KG >>Phx, Amare >> Hawks, someone going to Minny), not sure who offered it, who turned it down. But if it was the Suns, daaaaame.

In hindsight, I'd say I was on the money.

I'd say you were on a lot of things.

 

[eathb]

I just realised that Mike Miller trade I suggested would never happen because it puts the Nuggets back over the lux. tax.

Another trade:
Nuggets trade Linas Kleiza + Steven Hunter for John Salmons.

Well apparently the Kings offered Artest for Kleiza last year and the deal was meant to got through but the Nuggets backed out when they couldn't get a word from Artest's camp if he was going to opt out or not. Seeing as though they would give up Artest for Kleiza, then they wouldn't mind giving up Salmons for him.

C - Nene
PF - KMart
SF - Melo
SG - Salmons
PG - Billups

C - Miller
PF - Hawes
SF - Kleiza
SG - KMart2
PG - Udrih

 

[Darealrath]

Pacers trade:

Dunleavy (9m this year + 2 more)
Rasho (8.4m expiring)
Daniels (6.8m expiring)

Houston trade:

McGrady (20m this + 1 more)
Landry (3m this year + 1 more)

Reasons for Pacers:

Bring in McGrady - big gamble on his fitness but he'd get a lot of people to take notice in Indiana (where the Colts have taken over as the no.1 team) and really help ticket sales which is a big issue for a team losing a lot of money recently.

Expiring salary isn't as valuable for the Pacers as they are not a FA destination.

Landry is a decent PF. Have Murphy already but Murphy doesn't score in the paint well.

Houston:

Free up about $14m in salary for the FA market. Dunleavy would be a good replacement for T-Mac.

Pacers line up would be:

Ford/Jack/Deiner
McGrady/Rush
Granger/Graham
Murphy/Landry
Hibbert/Foster

 

[Borgsta]

I actually really like that trade for both teams. You should email the Pacers front office

 

[rickjames]

if you guys want expirings, will you move Redd aswell?

By the way, Mavs fans are 90-10 in favour of a Kidd or Baron/Camby deal. I'd love it.

If the Clips had any fans, Id ask them about it.

This trade makes zero sense, Camby has his contract expiring at the end of season meaning $10m off the cap. He's a great player, but when Kaman comes back they'll have DeAndre Jordan to come from bench next year. As for Davis, why would you trade him? They haven't been healthy this season meaning the likes of Thornton and Gordon have stepped up.

The reality of it all is that Dunleavy should resign as coach..then the team gets better and can use Davis' open court skills

 

[Messenger]

Pacers trade:

Dunleavy (9m this year + 2 more)
Rasho (8.4m expiring)
Daniels (6.8m expiring)

Houston trade:

McGrady (20m this + 1 more)
Landry (3m this year + 1 more)

Reasons for Pacers:

Bring in McGrady - big gamble on his fitness but he'd get a lot of people to take notice in Indiana (where the Colts have taken over as the no.1 team) and really help ticket sales which is a big issue for a team losing a lot of money recently.

Expiring salary isn't as valuable for the Pacers as they are not a FA destination.

Landry is a decent PF. Have Murphy already but Murphy doesn't score in the paint well.

Houston:

Free up about $14m in salary for the FA market. Dunleavy would be a good replacement for T-Mac.

Pacers line up would be:

Ford/Jack/Deiner
McGrady/Rush
Granger/Graham
Murphy/Landry
Hibbert/Foster

That's some nice work.

You have in fact opened up 23m worth of cap for the FA summer of 2010, so even though you may not be a free agent destination (and I know how that feels) you may well shake some talent loose nonetheless.

Do you think you can/want to move Murphy? He may not be that good at the post (and overpaid to boot), but he is a 4 size player with a substantial outside shot.

 

[Darealrath]

Do you think you can/want to move Murphy? He may not be that good at the post (and overpaid to boot), but he is a 4 size player with a substantial outside shot.

Good player but bad contract so I'm sure they're willing to move him but it would be hard to do so if they want to get a good deal. I reckon him and Hibbert could make a good combo if Hibbert keeps developing so I hope we keep him.

 

[eathb]

Linas Kleiza + Steven Hunter for Raja Bell.

would they bite?

 

[Messenger]

Linas Kleiza + Steven Hunter for Raja Bell.

would they bite?

Well they have just taken on Diop's silly contract and Hunter is an expiring next season.

SO the answer is they shouldn't just bite, they should gnaw your arm off to the shoulder.

Why would Denver want Raja Bell pray tell?

And Chad Ford has had a go at some Amare scenarios

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=amaredealscenario-090207

Amare in Cleveland with LBJ anyone?

 

[mdc]

And Chad Ford has had a go at some Amare scenarios

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=amaredealscenario-090207

Amare in Cleveland with LBJ anyone?

Had a good chuckle reading that this morning. Methinks Chadsky is undervaluing Amare by roughly two 1st-rounders in each case. The only semi-logical deal is Marion+Beasley, but Amare's made it clear that he wants to be the no.1 guy on his team, which won't happen in Miami.

 

[Rocco_S]

Marion and Beasley for Chris Bosh?

 

[Messenger]

Had a good chuckle reading that this morning. Methinks Chadsky is undervaluing Amare by roughly two 1st-rounders in each case. The only semi-logical deal is Marion+Beasley, but Amare's made it clear that he wants to be the no.1 guy on his team, which won't happen in Miami.

One first rounder perhaps - if PHX have decided on a blow up (and I'm not convinced), then they are going to get under value. Plus no one is going to pay full whack for a guy they may not have in 18 months.

Just to take up Rocco's cudgels (and sideline the Heat) what about Amare for Bosh straight up. No idea if the money works and at this hour I don't much care.