Agree. Would be great if Tucker could become a hybrid combination of the two. I think all three have tools to become A grade but whether they will we'll have to wait and see.
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Yeah but one of those is worth more than all the others put together
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I rate Blakely's field kicking above Wellers as we stand. Weller plays at great pace which always makes control a bit more difficult, but Blakely is quick too (maybe not leg speed blistering fast, but he bursts very quickly and acts quickly too) and his field kicking this season has been generally very good. Weller probably needs to learn to slow that split second before kicking and get some control into his boot because he was burning quite a few as the season unfolded.
On top of that, Blakley has all the attributes to become a genuine midfielder because of his body size and poise - he would have more versatility in general.
I rate Blakely's decision making >>> Weller's. I think Weller is a better kick just picks the wrong options as you say. In time I think Weller will hit targets. His kicking action is sublime.
Still think Connor will always be the better player. Hope I am wrong though.
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Yeah, the thing that gives me hope with Weller is that his kicking action is fundamentally good and when it comes off it's fantastic. It's why I'm confident he won't turn into DPearce who has always had a bit of a naturally loopy delivery system (in more ways than one maybe
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Blakely: a star should be our best mid in years to come.
Darcy: also a great competitor just what is needed leading the ruck when Sandi eventually retires no hurry there.
Logue: will be great player in 2 or 3 yrs time seems to have all the tools required good recruiting.
McCarthy: hope he shows more next year appears more of a 3rd forward type funnily enough does look like he would have been ideal for GWS
Cox: great overhead his kicking is a worry it generally doesnt improve that much but good player
Ryan: intercept half back looking to take over from Spurr and Johnson not an upgrade similar.
Weller: not sure where he is at? will be a good/handy player for someone but I would trade him
Langdon: not sure again needs to step up next year do we have similar types?
Tucker: should be a good player in years to come versatile.
Darcy: also a great competitor just what is needed leading the ruck when Sandi eventually retires no hurry there.
Logue: will be great player in 2 or 3 yrs time seems to have all the tools required good recruiting.
McCarthy: hope he shows more next year appears more of a 3rd forward type funnily enough does look like he would have been ideal for GWS
Cox: great overhead his kicking is a worry it generally doesnt improve that much but good player
Ryan: intercept half back looking to take over from Spurr and Johnson not an upgrade similar.
Weller: not sure where he is at? will be a good/handy player for someone but I would trade him
Langdon: not sure again needs to step up next year do we have similar types?
Tucker: should be a good player in years to come versatile.
On Ryan, imo he is a significant upgrade on Spurr and relative to Johnson he could be just as good if not better. I haven't really seen him have any brain farts which Johnson has always been slightly prone to. Early days though.
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Johnson has the most delightful shimmy. The number of times he's wrong footed someone and strolled around them under extreme pressure. I've always rated that - unflappable
Don't see Ryan as anything like MJ. More like a hybrid of Spurr and Duffield imo. Really hope we do end up with Wilson.
Wilson + Ryan > Spurr + Duffield (and that's no disrespect to the old guys who were great players for us)
Wilson + Ryan > Spurr + Duffield (and that's no disrespect to the old guys who were great players for us)
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In the Richmond game (last game at Subi), Ryan hit a Tigers player lace out on the chest. All players that actually try to do something positive on a field will make mistakes at times. His follow-up immediately after was fantastic as he switched to defensive mode, chased hard tackled and evened up the next contest to minimise the damage - he certainly has a fierceness for the contest that MJ doesn't have.
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The great young guys poll result
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1 Blakley - 20 - clear cut winner all 1's and 2's recency bias at play perhaps
2 Darcy - 50 - consistently between 2's and 4's with a couple of 1's and 2's
3 Ryan - 75 - close between him and Weller only the one hater ( 9 ) got him over the line
4 Weller - 77 - lots of mid range with a couple of lovers ( 1 )
5 McCarthy - 82 - still quite a bit of optimism despite a average first year mostly 4's and 5's
6 Cox - 88 -great hands / poor feet was mentioned a bit , big fluctuations with 3 2's but also 2 9's
7 Louge - 94 - a bit of conjecture over this lad will he be a future gun a 1 a 2 and a 3 or will he join our long list of first round duds 3 9's
8 Tucker - 107 - consistent lower end besides a 1 outlier , mostly advised to extract the digit and get out of cruise mode
9 Langdon - 130 - the people have spoken .........you suck
I would suggest trying to get a price for him now to be inducted into the hall of fame , not saying that we're all idiots but you know .....we probably are
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Out of 16 posters who left a useable list
Lowest number is best
1 Blakley - 20 - clear cut winner all 1's and 2's recency bias at play perhaps
2 Darcy - 50 - consistently between 2's and 4's with a couple of 1's and 2's
3 Ryan - 75 - close between him and Weller only the one hater ( 9 ) got him over the line
4 Weller - 77 - lots of mid range with a couple of lovers ( 1 )
5 McCarthy - 82 - still quite a bit of optimism despite a average first year mostly 4's and 5's
6 Cox - 88 -great hands / poor feet was mentioned a bit , big fluctuations with 3 2's but also 2 9's
7 Louge - 94 - a bit of conjecture over this lad will he be a future gun a 1 a 2 and a 3 or will he join our long list of first round duds 3 9's
8 Tucker - 107 - consistent lower end besides a 1 outlier , mostly advised to extract the digit and get out of cruise mode
9 Langdon - 130 - the people have spoken .........you suck
I would suggest trying to get a price for him now to be inducted into the hall of fame , not saying that we're all idiots but you know .....we probably are
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Be great to freeze frame this and revisit it in 5 years.
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Is APearce being left out of the rating because of zero games in 2017 or his age?
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It’s actually really hard, but I’m going to have a go.
I’m rating them on their comparison against other similar players in the league vs actual better player.
1 Darcy: Will be multiple AA if his body holds up.
2 Blakely: Possible AA – will be a solid AFL midfielder
3 Ryan: seems solid – probably not AA, but not far off.
4 Weller: heaps of potential, may improve a bit and be solid B22
5 Cam Mc: I think we’ll see an improvement from him this year. He’s a definite footballer (rather than an athlete) and will be better after another pre-season in our system.
6 Louge: Hard to rank – may end up being the best of the lot. Tries really hard, but often overcommits – watch how often he gets sidestepped. Once he learns to temper his enthusiasm, Louge could be anything.
7 Cox: Great mitts – can’t kick. Like Zac Dawson, but actually marks. Time will tell.
8 Langdon: I think Ed has been hot and cold. I liked glimpses, but the jury is still out.
9 Tucker: Similar to Eddy – there’s been a bit to like, but nothing standing out.
I’m rating them on their comparison against other similar players in the league vs actual better player.
1 Darcy: Will be multiple AA if his body holds up.
2 Blakely: Possible AA – will be a solid AFL midfielder
3 Ryan: seems solid – probably not AA, but not far off.
4 Weller: heaps of potential, may improve a bit and be solid B22
5 Cam Mc: I think we’ll see an improvement from him this year. He’s a definite footballer (rather than an athlete) and will be better after another pre-season in our system.
6 Louge: Hard to rank – may end up being the best of the lot. Tries really hard, but often overcommits – watch how often he gets sidestepped. Once he learns to temper his enthusiasm, Louge could be anything.
7 Cox: Great mitts – can’t kick. Like Zac Dawson, but actually marks. Time will tell.
8 Langdon: I think Ed has been hot and cold. I liked glimpses, but the jury is still out.
9 Tucker: Similar to Eddy – there’s been a bit to like, but nothing standing out.
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Geez tough one, I like using a potential out of five ranking with five being your potential Dangerfield/Dusty/Buddy/Pav, four is your Important players for the team like your Mundy/Cotchin/Sandilands, three is you regular cog like a Mzungu/C Guthrie/D Mackay, two is your role players who only have one trick but do it well like Z Dawson/J Jenkins/Schofield and a one is a good player for your WAFL team:
Weller - 4.5/5
Darcy - 4/5
Blakely - 4/5
Cox - 3.5/5
Logue - 4/5 (I found this really hard, I like his athleticism and he looks like he is picking up the game fast but he is still so raw!)
Ryan - 4/5
Tucker - 3/5
Balic - 3/5
Langdon - 3/5
McCarthy - 3.5/5
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Alex Pearce been working on the guns. He's not a skinny rake anymore.
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Very surprised that many people would rank Ryan above Logue one is an already seasoned player as Spurr was when he came and wont improve that much just adjust his game as gets experienced. The other Logue could well become one of the best intercept defenders in the AFL along the lines of Mcgovern and Rance in 5 years time along with Pearce the backline looks in good shape.
Its kicking goals that is our problem.
Its kicking goals that is our problem.
I don't see Ryan having reached anything close to his ceiling yet. He improved a lot throughout the year, and we also gave him more responsibility as the year progressed (designated kick-in, then pushing further up the ground) . His kicking is at the top of the pile already but the rest of his game can still improve and I think he's in one of those positions that will benefit a lot from improvement/experience and better gel in those around him (getting Wilson would also be massive for Ryan imo). The rest of the team learning to take full advantage of that weapon of his will also help the cause.
Similarly with Weller and Tucker - I think if we can better structure to get these guys more time and space on the outside they will break lines and tear games apart for us - Langdon's in that category too but more for his run than his kicking. We finally trusted Ryan with kick-ins, I think we now need to similarly trust these young guys rather than relying too much on Brad Hill to break the lines.
That'll be balanced by the amount of time the opposition will put into him and the quality of his opponent as he becomes more of a weapon.
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Bumped , same game as last year rank our young guys there's a list of u/23's who have played a few in the OP
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