Rank the Players for 2003

[marvin]

1. McLeod
2. Stevens
3. Goodwin
4. Ricciuto
5. Carey
6. Hart
7. Biglands
8. Edwards
9. Clarke
10. Stenglein
11. Bickley
12. Welsh
13. Smart
14. Bode
15. McGregor
16. Burton
17. Bassett
18. Johnxxxx
19. Ladhams
20. Massie
21. Doughty
22. Torney
23. Crowell
24. Gallagher
25. Rutten
26. Mattner
27. Burns
28. Perrie
29. Hentschel
30. Reilly
31. Smith
32. Schuback
33. Bock
34. Nelson
35. Schell
236. Marsh

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Average Ranking

Well I have tallied up everyone's ranking & the results are as follows:

Rank, Player, Ave Score
1 McLeod 1.1
2 Ricciuto 2.1
3 Stevens 3.9
4 Goodwin 4.1
5 Carey 5.0
6 Hart 5.4
7 Edwards 8.0
8 Biglands 8.1
9 Stenglein 9.3
10 Bickley 11.0
11 Smart 11.6
12 Clarke 12.3
13 Welsh 12.4
14 Bode 13.9
15 Bassett 15.9
16 Ladhams 16.9
17 Burton 17.4
18 Johnstiffy 17.5
19 McGregor 17.9
20 Burns 20.4
21 Torney 21.0
22 Doughty 21.1
23 Massie 22.1
24 Rutten 22.8
25 Crowell 24.6
26 Gallagher 24.8
27 Mattner 25.1
28 Hentschel 28.1
29 Reilly 29.6
=30 Schuback 30.9
=30 Smith 30.9
32 Perrie 31.1
33 Bock 32.3
34 Marsh 33.5
35 Nelson 33.6
36 Schell 34.4

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by marvin


34. Nelson
35. Schell
236. Marsh

236 for Marsh?? A typo, freudian slip or just an opinion??

 

[Jerome]

I'll hold off on doing this until after the draft. I don't expect us to pick up an absolute gun with the low picks we have, but we I'm sure the AFC will surprise us next week.

Jerome

 

[Spogs]

24 Rutten 22.8
25 Crowell 24.6
26 Gallagher 24.8
27 Mattner 25.1

If this ranking is the same at the end of the year we are in real trouble. I didn't put a side in and if I did it would probably be the same as everyone else but with our late draft picks this year, we really need two of these four to stand up.

Hopefully we'll have some late draft picks next year as well which really makes the development of our youngsters critical.

 

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

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Originally posted by DaveW


Yes and yet:

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Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
5 Mark Stevens

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wasn't ranked number one by his number one fan.
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K, what's wrong as most of us had Stevo ranked higher.


lol, you guys know Stevo is my #1 guy! I was ranking him in my list of importance. I ranked him 5th, but really in my opinion he is equal 3rd with Simon Goodwin & Ben Hart. Those three are very important to our game plan and it is hard to choose between them. By ranking him 5th I still think he is in our top group of players! Also if I said Stevo was #1 you'd all call me biased!!! (which of course I am!)

Now if I were to rank them in my favourites, then the list would be very different! Heres a little look


This is my list of favourite players!


1 Mark Stevens -
2 Simon Goodwin
3 Mark Bickley
4 Andy McLeod
5 Tyson Stenglein
6 Wayne Carey
7 Scott Welsh
8 Ben Hart
9 Graham John****
10 Mark Riccuito
11 Matty Bode
12 Rhett Biglands
13 Nathan Bassett
14 Ken McGregor
15 Tyson Edwards
16 Brett Burton
17 Andrew Crowell
18 Michael Doughty
19 Kris Massie
20 Chris Ladhams
21 Jason Torney
22 Ronnie Burns
23 Nigel Smart
24 James Gallagher
25 Matt Clarke
26 Marty Mattner
27 Nathan Bock
28 Trent Hentschel
29 Brent Reilly
30 Ben Rutten
31 Jacob Schuback
32 Matthew Smith
33 Ben Nelson
34 Dan Schell
35 Ian Perrie
36 Ben Marsh

see, my favourite list is a bit different!

k
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lol, see it is a bit different!

k
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[DaveW]

Re: Average Ranking

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Well I have tallied up everyone's ranking & the results are as follows:

Rank, Player, Ave Score
=22 Doughty 21.1
=22 Massie 22.1

That can't be right - which is the typo, the rank or the average score?

If their rank really is equal, that makes it a bit hard to choose our best 22 doesn't it?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Re: Average Ranking

Originally posted by DaveW

That can't be right - which is the typo, the rank or the average score?

If their rank really is equal, that makes it a bit hard to choose our best 22 doesn't it?

Dave, the rank was wrong - will fix. Can't be right all the time - only 99% of the time...

 

[DaveW]

Re: Re: Re: Average Ranking

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Dave, the rank was wrong - will fix. Can't be right all the time - only 99% of the time...

In that case the top 22 pretty much gives us the team you put together in: (with Doughty not Mattner)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52165&pagenumber=3

With Johncoc k in the starting line up ahead of Burns. Clarke also made the top 18, but you'd probably still have the 2nd ruckman on the bench (makes sense for McGregor, the 19th player, to start as well).

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Average Ranking

Originally posted by DaveW
In that case the top 22 pretty much gives us the team you put together in: (with Doughty not Mattner)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52165&pagenumber=3

With Johncoc k in the starting line up ahead of Burns. Clarke also made the top 18, but you'd probably still have the 2nd ruckman on the bench (makes sense for McGregor, the 19th player, to start as well).

Interesting that. At least we are consistent!

 

[marvin]

Originally posted by macca23


236 for Marsh?? A typo, freudian slip or just an opinion??

It wasn't a typo or a freudian slip - I was trying to stuff up Kane McG's averaging algorithm!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by marvin
It wasn't a typo or a freudian slip - I was trying to stuff up Kane McG's averaging algorithm!

I had a good laugh at your ranking of Marsh (what would you have ranked D Gallagher?) Nahh, Dave tested me more by only ranking 30 players.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
I had a good laugh at your ranking of Marsh (what would you have ranked D Gallagher?) Nahh, Dave tested me more by only ranking 30 players.

Hehe sorry. But between Bock, Hentschell, Reilly, Rutten, Schuback and Smith I've seen about one kick from them. i.e. Reilly in that game where he was essentially a bench warmer, I didn't see enough of him to form an opinion. What were the rest of you basing your rankings on? Having seen them in the SANFL or their reputations? Or did you just feel that anyone had to be better than Marsh, Nelson, Perrie and Schell?

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by DaveW

Hehe sorry. But between Bock, Hentschell, Reilly, Rutten, Schuback and Smith I've seen about one kick from them. i.e. Reilly in that game where he was essentially a bench warmer, I didn't see enough of him to form an opinion. What were the rest of you basing your rankings on? Having seen them in the SANFL or their reputations? Or did you just feel that anyone had to be better than Marsh, Nelson, Perrie and Schell?

From seeing them at SANFL level Dave, but even if I hadn't I would have gone along with the feeling that anybody had to be better than Marsh, Nelson, Perrie and Schell.

There is a fair bit of talent in this group of 6 players and its odds on that 1 or more will play games at some time during the year, with the most likely IMO being Hentschel and Rutten. I really like the look of both these players. Hentschell had an excellent preliminary final for the Eagles at FF, and Rutten just had a great season all year for Westies. As did Schuback for that matter.

 

[marvin]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
I had a good laugh at your ranking of Marsh (what would you have ranked D Gallagher?) Nahh, Dave tested me more by only ranking 30 players.

I defended Gallagher more than most, for 3 reasons -

1 - I was heard to utter as I left Waverley after Round 2, 1999 "that Gallagher kid will be a hell of a player. His disposal is terrific". I didn't want to admit for a _long_ time that I had egg all over my dial on that call.

2 - His sister works with one of my closest friends, and every time my friend (who has no interest in footy) asked how Gallagher was going, I didn't have the stomach to tell her that he was getting worse by the game.

3 - for all his faults, lack of guts wasn't one of them.

Where I would rank Darren Smith on the other hand is another thread, and possibly a whole new system of mathematics.

 

[Zombie]

I can't believe how highly you guys rate Mark Stevens, I would have him somewhere around the 10 - 12 mark yet you guys have him as high as 2nd.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by DaveW

between Bock, Hentschell, Reilly, Rutten, Schuback and Smith I've seen about one kick from them.

Had the pleasure of talking to Ben Hart for a few minutes today, and I put it to Ben which of these 6 players did he think might really come on this year, and be the surprise packet.

He didn't hesitate in nominating Hentschel, saying that he thinks he has a touch of class about him. He thought that but for breaking his ankle at the start of last year, he would have played for the Crows last year.

He was also complimentary about the progress of young Smith, believing that he will ultimately either make a CHB or a back pocket who minds talls.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Zombie
I can't believe how highly you guys rate Mark Stevens, I would have him somewhere around the 10 - 12 mark yet you guys have him as high as 2nd.

Well that is because you have no idea about the Crows, so I would expect nothing less from you ... but I gather you will tell us that you are right & we are all wrong. Helps to open your other eye when watching games.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by macca23
Had the pleasure of talking to Ben Hart for a few minutes today, and I put it to Ben which of these 6 players did he think might really come on this year, and be the surprise packet.

He didn't hesitate in nominating Hentschel, saying that he thinks he has a touch of class about him. He thought that but for breaking his ankle at the start of last year, he would have played for the Crows last year.

He was also complimentary about the progress of young Smith, believing that he will ultimately either make a CHB or a back pocket who minds talls.

Hentschel sounds an exciting prospect, so let's hope he doesn't become injury-prone like a Fitzy or a Lockwood. I thought Port were using Smith as more of a running rather than a key defender? If we are to continue to progress, we need to have a youngster or 2 come through each year.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Zombie
I can't believe how highly you guys rate Mark Stevens, I would have him somewhere around the 10 - 12 mark yet you guys have him as high as 2nd.

Troll.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Well that is because you have no idea about the Crows, so I would expect nothing less from you ... but I gather you will tell us that you are right & we are all wrong. Helps to open your other eye when watching games.

Actually I watch the majority of Crows matches, Stevens doesn't strike me as anything more than a handy player, certainly not a top liner. Of your forwards I would rate Burton probably a bit better than him and Welsh on par with him.

His main problem is that he is probably played out of position a bit as he is not really suited to being a focal target at CHF. Ideally, IMO, he would be better off playing as a 2nd or 3rd marking target in the forward line. His key strengths are his work rate which is exceptional and his marking, although i wouldn't back him on most occassions in a pack situation.

As for my Crows list:

1. M.Ricciutio
2. A.McLeod
3. S.Goodwin
4. B.Hart
5. T.Edwards
6. N.Smart
7. M.Bickley
8. W.Carey
9. T.Stenglein
10. B.Burton

 

[Jerome]

Originally posted by Zombie


Actually I watch the majority of Crows matches, Stevens doesn't strike me as anything more than a handy player, certainly not a top liner. Of your forwards I would rate Burton probably a bit better than him and Welsh on par with him.

Just **** off, you have no idea.

Burton is alright, but he's a showpony. He's not a key forward, better suited to a wing where he can run. If it wasnt for injuries to Fitzy and Hentschel, Burton would not have gotten the key FF spot.

Stevens is that far above Burton its not funny. Turbo may not as athletic, but he is consistant, tough, reliable, hard working and makes better decisions. He's also a premiership player.

Jerome

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Zombie


Actually I watch the majority of Crows matches

with your eyes closed presumably... Troll.

 

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

Originally posted by Zombie


Actually I watch the majority of Crows matches, Stevens doesn't strike me as anything more than a handy player, certainly not a top liner. Of your forwards I would rate Burton probably a bit better than him and Welsh on par with him.

His main problem is that he is probably played out of position a bit as he is not really suited to being a focal target at CHF. Ideally, IMO, he would be better off playing as a 2nd or 3rd marking target in the forward line. His key strengths are his work rate which is exceptional and his marking, although i wouldn't back him on most occassions in a pack situation.

Zombie by name, Zombie by nature! Where have you been Zombie - in a haunted house or something??? Mark Stevens is an absolute legend. If you actually watch him he is one of our hardest working players. He gives a contest every single time and never, ever gives up. He is a reliable mark and kick and has been a focul point for us up forward for a couple of years. He has also won our Best Team Man award twice and has come second and third in our Best & Fairest count - not bad for a "handy player". Come on Zombie - lift your game!


k
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[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Zombie
Actually I watch the majority of Crows matches, Stevens doesn't strike me as anything more than a handy player, certainly not a top liner. Of your forwards I would rate Burton probably a bit better than him and Welsh on par with him.

His main problem is that he is probably played out of position a bit as he is not really suited to being a focal target at CHF. Ideally, IMO, he would be better off playing as a 2nd or 3rd marking target in the forward line. His key strengths are his work rate which is exceptional and his marking, although i wouldn't back him on most occassions in a pack situation.

As for my Crows list:

1. M.Ricciutio
2. A.McLeod
3. S.Goodwin
4. B.Hart
5. T.Edwards
6. N.Smart
7. M.Bickley
8. W.Carey
9. T.Stenglein
10. B.Burton

Digging youself a deeper hole again I see Zombie. This would truely make the top-10 of your most stupid posts - & that is something considering there is heaps of competition with the BS you post!

Point #1 - Have you wondered why every Crows supporter involved in the ranking process voted Stevens between 2nd-5th most important player - clearly a tier 1 player for us - ie. in Port speak, as important as Tredrea! Do you honestly think we would all be wrong in our judgement & you with your tunnel-vision on the Crows would be correct? We all (well nearly all) know the answer to that one as it is bleeding obvious.

Point #2 - The fact you rate Burton ahead of Stevens & Welsh proves you have little idea about the Crows. You may watch the games, but you still have no idea!!! Some say Burton was lucky not to be traded due to his inconsistency - Stevens & Welsh (when not injured) were clearly our best 2 forwards in 2002 (& don't bother quoting goals as that doesn't indicate the best forward).

I was about to say buggar off until you have something intelligent to say, but that would limit your posting here & I do need a good laugh from time to time.