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Joffaboy

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About 7000 don't renew at every club if not more. We had one of the least drop offs last season. Yes its unfair that you have to pay more but unfortunately there is a price for having a home game at another venue. Same with every club who has a game at their none reserved seat venue. And yes we have been mediocre for 50 years. We all know that. The options are simple. Support us or don't. And I doubt its illegal anyway. Isnt that just a sick bird?
If I have paid for a good or service the vendor cannot change the conditions of that sale.

The club have changed the conditions after the sale.

If I cannot walk up to the gate and walk through to a reserved seat they have changed the conditions.

They will need to how why they have broken the conditions of the contract of sale.

I will speak to the club on Monday and if they can't honour the contract will ask for that game to be refunded for both memberships.

The club needs to treat their supporters with a bit of respect. This change of venue was not announced at membership time.

It is wrong and the club needs to wear it.
 

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If I have paid for a good or service the vendor cannot change the conditions of that sale.

The club have changed the conditions after the sale.

If I cannot walk up to the gate and walk through to a reserved seat they have changed the conditions.

They will need to how why they have broken the conditions of the contract of sale.

I will speak to the club on Monday and if they can't honour the contract will ask for that game to be refunded for both memberships.

The club needs to treat their supporters with a bit of respect. This change of venue was not announced at membership time.

It is wrong and the club needs to wear it.

Good luck with that. Not a hope. I agree it isn't about the money. Its about you falling a pretty high horse. JB sometimes you have to wear something you don't like for the betterment of our club.
 

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Anyway why are we celebrating 50 years of medicrity
I agree with a hell of a lot of what you usually say Joffa.
And i find most of your posts are interesting.
But cmon mate, its not a celebration of 50 yrs of mediocrity.
Its 50 yrs since we won our flag. Its a celebration to remember that specific day. Were not celebrating the 49 yrs that came after it.
 

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So they haven't coerced or violated any rights or laws you may think you're entitled to.

You're wasting your time Joffa if you think you'll get anywhere with this.
 

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And if you come back with 'well they changed the venue' then tough titties, the T's & C's above don't mention how many home games at Etihad Stadium you're entitled to. It just says home games, which can be any number.
 

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Good luck with that. Not a hope. I agree it isn't about the money. Its about you falling a pretty high horse. JB sometimes you have to wear something you don't like for the betterment of our club.
Thanks for your inciteful and well researched advice. I notice you have learnt nothing from your banning at SS and still play the man.

Some things never change I suppose
 

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Extreme arguments and wording aside i agree with joff. This booking fee is a load of bullshit

They should have built it into the membership price or been more transparent about it

If its the AFL then the saints should have released a statement

People are blindly defending the club over shit actions again
 

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Thanks for your inciteful and well researched advice. I notice you have learnt nothing from your banning at SS and still play the man.

Some things never change I suppose

Interesting JB. I was one of the quieter ones but then you come up with that chestnut. Are you going to bring that up every time I think your position is wrong? Ive learnt plenty over my time and the first thing I learnt is life isn't fair so I suggest there are two options. Either pay the money or don't and just attend like others. After that there are also 2 options. Keep your membership or don't.
 

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I didn't say they should give a shit, I said why knock another policy if you don't have one.
Because it is, or close enough to rubbish since it is never to rarely enforced and the only reason it exists is so the governing body can simply save face rather than address the issue, similar to the policy re women when we had people like Lovett getting on the booze and threatening to kill his missus between punches. Why effectively have the policy or shout down those who do not have such a policy when in the end it matters little if you have it or not since no one in the industry gives a shit unless it's public & continuous?

Do you want to hazard a guess at how many times the AFL were aware that Cousins, Kerr and co were on the take, how many instances cross their desks that were simply ignored or filed away for "later"? As stated, the AFL might not even have a policy so it's completely understandable for people to simply disregard it.

This is different to PED's, we're talking purely recreational here since PED's have actual global guidelines and ramifications attached.
 

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Because it is, or close enough to rubbish since it is never to rarely enforced and the only reason it exists is so the governing body can simply save face rather than address the issue, similar to the policy re women when we had people like Lovett getting on the booze and threatening to kill his missus between punches. Why effectively have the policy or shout down those who do not have such a policy when in the end it matters little if you have it or not since no one in the industry gives a shit unless it's public & continuous?

Do you want to hazard a guess at how many times the AFL were aware that Cousins, Kerr and co were on the take, how many instances cross their desks that were simply ignored or filed away for "later"? As stated, the AFL might not even have a policy so it's completely understandable for people to simply disregard it.

This is different to PED's, we're talking purely recreational here since PED's have actual global guidelines and ramifications attached.

So you are saying we shouldn't have a policy about violence to women because someone breaks the policy. In that case why even have laws because someone will break them. I think people do give a shit but that maybe only me looking for the best in others. I have no idea how many times those players took drugs and neither do you. All I know is its better to at least make them think they maybe caught than not caring at all. No one cares about Athletes taking drugs and that is fine but don't knock others who at least have a policy that suggests they care a little. And I know its not PEDS. That's why I said it.
 

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What has this got anything to do with Carlisle.

Mods this is getting out of hand, many threads seems to be getting taken off topic lately.

First Freeman topic now the Carlisle topic.

Can we please have posters made aware that this is destroying threads?
 

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Isnt that the issue. Joffa paid for a reserved seat membership and is now being hit up for a booking fee?
Joffa hasn't read the terms and conditions of the contract he accepted or hasn't understood them clearly enough. Joffa paid for a reserved seat membership that entitled him to home games at Etihad Stadium. It didn't clarify how many games, it just said home games. Not home games at the MCG, home games (any figure) at Etihad.
 

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Joffa hasn't read the terms and conditions of the contract he accepted or hasn't understood them clearly enough. Joffa paid for a reserved seat membership that entitled him to home games at Etihad Stadium. It didn't clarify how many games, it just said home games. Not home games at the MCG, home games (any figure) at Etihad.
I'm confused. What are you arguing? Are you saying the terms and conditions on the reserved seat membership only specified games at etihad and therefore because its at the MCG it specified a booking fee is applicable?
 

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I'm confused. What are you arguing? Are you saying the terms and conditions on the reserved seat membership only specified games at etihad and therefore because its at the MCG it specified a booking fee is applicable?
Yeah exactly. And if the game was initially scheduled at Etihad but moved to the MCG it's still within the terms of the reserved seat contract because the contract does not state how many home games at Etihad the membership gives you.
 

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Yeah exactly. And if the game was initially scheduled at Etihad but moved to the MCG it's still within the terms of the reserved seat contract because the contract does not state how many home games at Etihad the membership gives you.
Does the terms and conditions state a booking fee is applicable if the game is outside of etihad?
 

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Does the terms and conditions state a booking fee is applicable if the game is outside of etihad?
The reason there is a booking fee is if there is a stadium capacity issue that has been identified. Not all games that we play outside of Etihad will hold the same applicable booking fee as the Round 3 game vs Collingwood (for example Round 20 vs Carlton at the MCG). It's purely based off of the AFL and the ticketing agency deeming that this particular game will draw a larger crowd than the capacity that ES holds (55,000).

To get back to your question however, the terms and conditions simply state that the reserved seat membership entitles you to a reserved seat at St.Kilda home games at Etihad Stadium. Not 11 home games in Victoria, not 10 home games at Etihad and 1 at the MCG. Home games at Etihad Stadium.
 

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The reason there is a booking fee is if there is a stadium capacity issue that has been identified. Not all games that we play outside of Etihad will hold the same applicable booking fee as the Round 3 game vs Collingwood (for example Round 20 vs Carlton at the MCG). It's purely based off of the AFL and the ticketing agency deeming that this particular game will draw a larger crowd than the capacity that ES holds (55,000).

To get back to your question however, the terms and conditions simply state that the reserved seat membership entitles you to a reserved seat at St.Kilda home games at Etihad Stadium. Not 11 home games in Victoria, not 10 home games at Etihad and 1 at the MCG. Home games at Etihad Stadium.
See i interpreted that differently to you. To me that means all st kilda home games are at ethihad. Which given many people are rolled over from the year before, before the fixture is released they could be forgiven for interpreting it that way.

The other issue here is that previously they did not have to pay for a booking fee if they were a reserved seat holder? Right?

The other issue is that in the FAQ, terms of condition and the shit membership website (which is extremely hard to find info) it carefully points out what extra costs you may have to incurr and what the membership gives.

Absolutely no where did it mention there would be a home game at the MCG that would require reserved seat holders to fork out a booking fee

If this is the way the club sees themselves doing business moving forward, what other undocumented costs could supporters be hit with?

Here's a question, when games in the past have been moved from etihad to the MCG or vice versa have people been hit with another booking fee? From memory i dont think they have been.
 
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