Rate the best performing clubs of the AFL era (1990-). Looking beyond number of premierships and at overall performance

[Do the Dew]

You need a points ranking system that allocated points for major kpi's

Premiers - 100 points
Grand finals - 50 points
Minor premiers - 30 points
Top four finishes post finals - 20 points
Bottom eight four finished post finals - 10 points
Membership ranking - 18 points 1st 1 point last
Financial performance - 18 points 1st 1 point last

Tally that up and you get your answer.

That’s all completely arbitrary though. I agree you need a points system that accounts for different methods of success, but it’s impossible to come up with such a system off the cuff like you’ve done


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[Obeanie1]

That’s all completely arbitrary though. I agree you need a points system that accounts for different methods of success, but it’s impossible to come up with such a system off the cuff like you’ve done


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Um if its impossible how did I just do it?

The OP has defined this measure as looking beyond the number of premierships. Therefore you need to rank and meassure more than just premiership which is the reason I listed six major kpi's plus premierships. What I considered a higher kpi was weighted with higher points. That aspect can be debated and adjusted here and there depending on valid arguements but the basis of ranking success is in reality multiple kpi's.

The beauty of if it uses the same points system and same multiple kpi 's against every club.

Maybe other kpi's are added,, the more you add the more robust the measurement.

Maybe add negative kpi's. Number of head coaches turned over? Not making finals. AFL penalties imposed.

How would you do it?

 

[Do the Dew]

Um if its impossible how did I just do it?

The OP has defined this measure as looking beyond the number of premierships. Therefore you need to rank and meassure more than just premiership which is the reason I listed six major kpi's plus premierships. What I considered a higher kpi was weighted with higher points. That aspect can be debated and adjusted here and there depending on valid arguements but the basis of ranking success is in reality multiple kpi's.

The beauty of if it uses the same points system and same multiple kpi 's against every club.

Maybe other kpi's are added,, the more you add the more robust the measurement.

Maybe add negative kpi's. Number of head coaches turned over? Not making finals. AFL penalties imposed.

How would you do it?

I mean it’s impossible to pick a bunch of values and equate them to KPIs in an accurate manner, unless you did some serious analysis, which you haven’t. For example, how/why do you weigh premierships vs memberships vs finals etc. can’t be done by just pulling arbitrary numbers from nowhere.

How would I do it? I wouldn’t, cause it can’t be done unless you have the statistical know-how.

I’d avoid a points system and say that Hawthorn has been the most successful team.


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[PonsfordMagpie]

UPDATE

RANKINGS (1990-2022)

PREMIERSHIPS

1. Hawthorn = 5
2. Geelong = 4
3. West Coast = 4
4. Brisbane Lions = 3
5. Richmond = 3
6. Sydney = 2
7. Collingwood = 2
8. Essendon = 2
9. Adelaide = 2
10. North Melbourne = 2
11. Carlton = 1
12. Port Adelaide = 1
13. Western Bulldogs = 1
14. Melbourne = 1
15. St Kilda = 0
16. Fremantle = 0
17. GWS = 0
18. Gold Coast = 0

GRAND FINAL APPEARANCES (W-L)

1. Geelong = 9 (4-5)
2. West Coast = 7 (4-3)
3. Sydney = 7 (2-5)
4. Hawthorn = 6 (5-1)
5. Collingwood = 6 (2-4)
6. Brisbane Lions = 4 (3-1)
7. Essendon = 4 (2-2)
8. Richmond = 3 (3-0)
9. Adelaide = 3 (2-1)
10. North Melbourne = 3 (2-1)
11. Carlton = 3 (1-2)
12. St Kilda = 3 (0-3)
13. Port Adelaide = 2 (1-1)
14. Western Bulldogs = 2 (1-1)
15. Melbourne = 2 (1-1)
16. Fremantle = 1 (0-1)
17. GWS = 1 (0-1)
18. Gold Coast = 0 (0-0)

FINALS APPEARANCES

1. Geelong = 24 (4-5-6-2-3-0-3-1)
2. West Coast = 24 (4-3-1-2-3-5-3-3)
3. Sydney = 22 (2-5-0-2-6-1-5-1)
4. Hawthorn = 18 (5-1-1-1-3-4-2-1)
5. Essendon = 18 (2-2-1-1-2-3-1-6)
6. Collingwood = 17 (2-4-1-4-1-2-1-2)
7. Western Bulldogs = 17 (1-1-5-1-1-2-2-4)
8. North Melbourne = 16 (2-1-2-5-1-0-2-3)
9. Adelaide = 15 (2-1-4-1-2-2-1-2) - 32 SEASONS
10. Brisbane Lions = 12 (3-1-0-3-3-1-0-1) - 26 SEASONS
11. Port Adelaide = 12 (1-1-5-0-2-1-2-0) - 26 SEASONS
12. GWS = 5 (0-1-0-2-0-2-0-0) - 11 SEASONS
13. Melbourne = 12 (1-1-0-5-2-1-1-1)
14. St Kilda = 12 (0-3-1-3-2-1-1-1)
15. Carlton = 11 (1-2-1-0-2-3-1-1)
16. Richmond = 10 (3-0-3-0-0-0-3-1)
17. Fremantle = 8 (0-1-1-1-0-4-1-0) - 28 SEASONS
18. Gold Coast = 0 (0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0) - 12 SEASONS

FINALS WINS

1. Geelong = 32 (33 seasons)
2. West Coast = 26 (33 seasons)
3. Sydney = 24 (33 seasons)
4. Brisbane Lions = 18 (26 seasons)
5. Hawthorn = 22 (33 seasons)
6. Collingwood = 22 (33 seasons)
7. GWS = 7 (11 seasons)
8. North Melbourne = 19 (33 seasons)
9. Adelaide = 18 (32 seasons)
10. Port Adelaide = 13 (27 seasons)
11. Essendon = 15 (33 seasons)
12. Melbourne = 15 (33 seasons)
13. Western Bulldogs = 14 (33 seasons)
14. Richmond = 12 (33 seasons)
15. Carlton = 11 (33 seasons)
16. St Kilda = 11 (33 seasons)
17. Fremantle = 7 (28 seasons)
18. Gold Coast = 0 (12 seasons)

OVERALL WINNING %

1. Geelong = 497/781 (63.64%)
2. West Coast = 434/773 (56.14%)
3. Hawthorn = 413/758 (54.49%)
4. Collingwood = 407/762 (53.41%)
5. Port Adelaide = 314/594 (52.86%)
6. Sydney = 402/767 (52.41%)
7. Adelaide = 378/732 (51.64%)
8. Essendon = 386/753 (51.26%)
9. North Melbourne = 381/754 (50.53%)
10. Western Bulldogs = 377/755 (49.93%)
11. Brisbane Lions = 289/597 (48.41%)
12. St Kilda = 352/746 (47.18%)
13. Richmond = 345/741 (46.56%)
14. Fremantle = 282/628 (44.90%)
15. Carlton = 326/744 (43.82%)
16. GWS = 108/250 (43.20%)
17. Melbourne = 321/746 (43.03%)
18. Gold Coast = 69/259 (26.64%)

 

[Cuzz09]

Geez we would been up there even higher if we hadn't had so many dramatic drop off's after each flag.

Still despite recent times we have a decent record.

Hats off to the cats for re grouping each year.



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[Rotayjay]

I refuse to recognise any metric of success other than premierships.

 

[threesixpio]

I refuse to recognise any metric of success other than premierships.

Ditto and not just for the obvious reason

 

[ourgameplandoesntwork]

It would definetly have to be between Hawks and West Coast for 1st , both super impressive teams and clubs

As for the poster who rates the Saints WTF, if you were a saints supporter you would be fuming at Zero Premierships and rate yourself very low because of the lack of ability to finish the job, like I was in 2017

Geelong have West Coast covered in all metrics

 

[ourgameplandoesntwork]

For premierships
1. Hawthorn
2. Geelong
3. West Coast

For consistency
1. Geelong
2. West Coast

 

[Gavin Excell]

Feel so very blessed to be a Geelong supporter

 

[Cuzz09]

Geelong have West Coast covered in all metrics

kms travelled?

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[Hoops]

I refuse to recognise any metric of success other than premierships.

My Premiership ladder since 1897 has West Coast top and Geelong moved up one position due to it's win yesterday

Rank	Club	Premierships	Par Premierships	Score
1​	West Coast	4​	2.22​	1.80​
2​	Hawthorn	13​	7.40​	1.76​
3​	Essendon	16​	10.38​	1.54​
4​	Carlton	16​	10.80​	1.48​
5​	Collingwood	15​	10.80​	1.39​
6​	Richmond	13​	9.42​	1.38​
7​	Melbourne	13​	10.26​	1.27​
8​	Adelaide	2​	1.94​	1.03​
9​	Geelong	10​	10.37​	0.96​
10​	Brisbane/Fitzroy	11​	11.48​	0.96​
11​	Port Adelaide	1​	1.54​	0.65​
12​	North Melbourne	4​	7.40​	0.54​
13​	Sydney	5​	10.55​	0.47​
14​	Western Bulldogs	2​	7.40​	0.27​
15​	St Kilda	1​	10.38​	0.10​
16​	Fremantle	0​	1.67​	0.00​
16​	University	0​	0.70​	0.00​
16​	Gold Coast	0​	0.67​	0.00​
16​	Greater Western Sydney	0​	0.61​	0.00​

 

[Cuzz09]

I like it

End thread for 12 months



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[PonsfordMagpie]

UPDATE

RANKINGS (1990-2023)

PREMIERSHIPS

1. Hawthorn = 5
2. Geelong = 4
3. West Coast = 4
4. Collingwood = 3
5. Brisbane Lions = 3
6. Richmond = 3
7. Sydney = 2
8. Essendon = 2
9. Adelaide = 2
10. North Melbourne = 2
11. Carlton = 1
12. Port Adelaide = 1
13. Western Bulldogs = 1
14. Melbourne = 1
15. St Kilda = 0
16. Fremantle = 0
17. GWS = 0
18. Gold Coast = 0

GRAND FINAL APPEARANCES (W-L)

1. Geelong = 9 (4-5)
2. West Coast = 7 (4-3)
3. Collingwood = 7 (3-4)
4. Sydney = 7 (2-5)
5. Hawthorn = 6 (5-1)
6. Brisbane Lions = 5 (3-2)
7. Essendon = 4 (2-2)
8. Richmond = 3 (3-0)
9. Adelaide = 3 (2-1)
10. North Melbourne = 3 (2-1)
11. Carlton = 3 (1-2)
12. St Kilda = 3 (0-3)
13. Port Adelaide = 2 (1-1)
14. Western Bulldogs = 2 (1-1)
15. Melbourne = 2 (1-1)
16. Fremantle = 1 (0-1)
17. GWS = 1 (0-1)
18. Gold Coast = 0 (0-0)

FINALS APPEARANCES

1. Geelong = 24 (4-5-6-2-3-0-3-1)
2. West Coast = 24 (4-3-1-2-3-5-3-3)
3. Sydney = 23 (2-5-0-2-6-1-5-2)
4. Hawthorn = 18 (5-1-1-1-3-4-2-1)
5. Collingwood = 18 (3-4-1-4-1-2-1-2)
6. Essendon = 18 (2-2-1-1-2-3-1-6)
7. Western Bulldogs = 17 (1-1-5-1-1-2-2-4)
8. GWS = 6 (0-1-0-3-0-2-0-0) - 12 SEASONS
9. Brisbane Lions = 13 (3-2-0-3-3-1-0-1) - 27 SEASONS
10. Port Adelaide = 13 (1-1-5-0-3-1-2-0) - 27 SEASONS
11. North Melbourne = 16 (2-1-2-5-1-0-2-3)
12. Adelaide = 15 (2-1-4-1-2-2-1-2) - 33 SEASONS
13. Melbourne = 13 (1-1-0-5-2-2-1-1)
14. St Kilda = 13 (0-3-1-3-2-1-2-1)
15. Carlton = 12 (1-2-2-0-2-3-1-1)
16. Richmond = 10 (3-0-3-0-0-0-3-1)
17. Fremantle = 8 (0-1-1-1-0-4-1-0) - 29 SEASONS
18. Gold Coast = 0 (0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0) - 13 SEASONS

FINALS WINS

1. Geelong = 32 (34 seasons)
2. West Coast = 26 (34 seasons)
3. GWS = 9 (12 seasons)
4. Brisbane Lions = 20 (27 seasons)
5. Collingwood = 25 (34 seasons)
6. Sydney = 24 (34 seasons)
7. Hawthorn = 22 (34 seasons)
8. North Melbourne = 19 (34 seasons)
9. Adelaide = 18 (33 seasons)
10. Port Adelaide = 13 (27 seasons)
11. Essendon = 15 (34 seasons)
12. Melbourne = 15 (34 seasons)
13. Western Bulldogs = 14 (34 seasons)
14. Carlton = 13 (34 seasons)
15. Richmond = 12 (34 seasons)
16. St Kilda = 11 (34 seasons)
17. Fremantle = 7 (29 seasons)
18. Gold Coast = 0 (13 seasons)

OVERALL WINNING %

1. Geelong = 507/804 (63.06%)
2. West Coast = 437/796 (54.90%)
3. Collingwood = 428/788 (54.31%)
4. Hawthorn = 420/781 (53.78%)
5. Port Adelaide = 331/619 (53.47%)
6. Sydney = 414/791 (52.34%)
7. Adelaide = 389/755 (51.52%)
8. Essendon = 397/776 (51.16%)
9. Western Bulldogs = 389/778 (50.00%)
10. Brisbane Lions = 308/623 (49.44%)
11. North Melbourne = 384/777 (49.42%)
12. St Kilda = 365/770 (47.40%)
13. Richmond = 355/764 (46.47%)
14. Fremantle = 292/651 (44.85%)
15. GWS = 123/276 (44.57%)
16. Carlton = 341/770 (44.29%)
17. Melbourne = 337/771 (43.71%)
18. Gold Coast = 78/282 (27.66%)

 

[Roddy]

I’ll just take the flags thanks…