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Now:

1. Reid
2. Hurley
3. Watts
4. Henderson

10 years:

1. Hurley
2. Watts
3. Reid
4. Henderson
Pretty much how I see it as well but I must admit that a couple of times later in the season Watts impressed me with how athletic he is and also with his skills. A big lad and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he turns out to be the best of this group and AA quality.

Hurley is a beast of a competitor and also highly skilled, a bit more mongrel in him as well.

Ried is hard to judge as he has been surrounded by an absolute gun side but has shown plenty and is also a very good player.

Henderson is a definate 4th in this group to date and will need to keep improving to leap up these rankings. Looks a better defender than forward to date.
 

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He could win the occasional hit out around the ground when no real tall was around
No need to the smartarse, thats pretty much what I was going for.


The fact you said Watts struggles at ground level makes it shockingly obvious you've seen very little of him. Its by far the best part of his game.
While I havent seen as much of him as a melbourne supporter would have, I doubt the games I missed showed him with even hints of ground level skills like Kouta or Wirrpanda.

Seriously, I wasn't saying Watts is or will be as good as a prime Kouta - he has to prove it on field before anyone can even suggest that. But that's definitely the player that he reminds me of the most. The similarities far outweigh the differences imo. Kouta was always a player without a position, until he started peaking around 98 and submitted quite possibly the most dominant single season I've ever seen in 2000. Like you said, he's a true utility.
While he may have only started peaking in '98, he was still very, very good early on.

That's exactly how I see Watts. He isn't going to strictly be a CHF, nor a CHB (even though he will play time at both positions depending on matchups). He'll spend time in the middle, and on the wing.

He's very much a Pav/Kouta/Goodes type player, but he's a work in progress (notably, none of those three guys set the world on fire their first 3 seasons either). I just think Kouta is the closest because Watts and Kouta both kill it at ground level.
I disagree. Kouta made AA in his third season. Well, the year was 1995... but still, Kouta was a very key factor that year and only 5 Carlton players got the nod that year.
 
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When was this I may have forgotten but I still love him as a defender as seen this year against Riewoldt, Tippet and JPod
Yep, agree with that. In fact I think they would/will all make great defenders.

Anyways, next year:
1.Hurley
2.Reid
3.Watts.
4.Henderson.

10 years.
1.Hurley
2.Watts
3.Reid
4.Henderson.
 

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I may be wrong but I cannot remember when Hurley has been beaten in defence
You've obviously never watched a Collingwood vs. Essendon match then.
J Brown is the only forward who clearly beat Hurley, Totally over powered him, no other forward has beaten him.
Can't wait for Hurley vs Reid match ups. 1 on 1 Hurley is a beast.

And I would have

1. Hurley
2. Watts
3. Reid
4. Hendo

reason I would take Hurley and Then Watts they are playing forward and could rip it up as defenders, so you would always have the option to throw them back. being a forward is much more difficult, as Reid and Hendo both failed as forward and have since been pretty good in defence.
 

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I'm going to make a pretty controversial list for an Essendon Supporter

1. Watts
2. Hurley
3. Reid
4. Hendo

I rate the top 3 well above Hendo (sorry carlton fans).
 

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I may be wrong but I cannot remember when Hurley has been beaten in defence
Brisbane 2010
J.Brown

Can you blame him though? We got destroyed that game the ball was just going into our back line at will. Other than that i cannot really remember a time when Hurley was deceivably beaten throughout the day.
 

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People are mostly giving watts his rating because he was draft pick #1.

Be interesting how we would think of him were he pick 15-20. He would of played a lot less games i think for starters
 

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Be as objective as possible please and leaving club allegiances at the door.

Rate not what your team needs just on the players merits alone.

Rank 1 to 4 who you would want next year.

Then rank 1 to 4 who you would want for the next 10 years, injuries aside.


Jack Watts
Michael Hurley
Lachie Henderson
Ben Reid
Next year...

Reid
Hurley
Henderson
Watts

For the next 10 years...

Hurley
Watts
Reid
Henderson
 

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If we take the original post on face value and remove the outlier, Henderson, who is the legitimate fourth option in this question - Josh Kennedy, James Frawley, Sam Reid, Cale Hooker, Tayte Pears, Ben Stratton, others?

Henderson wouldn't make it into a list of the top 15 young KPP.
 

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If we take the original post on face value and remove the outlier, Henderson, who is the legitimate fourth option in this question - Josh Kennedy, James Frawley, Sam Reid, Cale Hooker, Tayte Pears, Ben Stratton, others?

Henderson wouldn't make it into a list of the top 15 young KPP.
Taking from the same drafts...
Jack Reiwoldt?
Tyrone Vickery?
Alex Rance?

(The latter 2 have had one 'good, but not great' season in 2011, but as young KPP, they've shown enough promise to warrant some consideration).
 

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People are mostly giving watts his rating because he was draft pick #1.

Be interesting how we would think of him were he pick 15-20. He would of played a lot less games i think for starters
If Watts can stay injury free in 2012 he won't be overrated for much longer, he'll be showing people like you how wrong you are.

Like I said in several games late last season he was starting to show how good he is becoming. Watts is over 190cm and was a tad skinny when drafted, he is filling out and is in just his 3rd preseason. Not sure what you expect from an 18 > 19 yr old KP player but this guy can play and is more athletic than Hurley IMO.
 

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Henderson doesn't belong in this comparison. As far as elite young KPP in the game, Sam Reid is closer to that status than Henderson.
 

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If Watts can stay injury free in 2012 he won't be overrated for much longer, he'll be showing people like you how wrong you are.

Like I said in several games late last season he was starting to show how good he is becoming. Watts is over 190cm and was a tad skinny when drafted, he is filling out and is in just his 3rd preseason. Not sure what you expect from an 18 > 19 yr old KP player but this guy can play and is more athletic than Hurley IMO.
Hang on i never said watts was a dud, merely said i suspect people are only assuming watts will become very very good because of his draft pick status, and what would we be thinking of him if he had showed the same onfield but been picked 15-20? interesting point if u think about it. I do expect watts to be a good player, but cant see why so many people are assumin his gonna be a star. Remember quiet a few number 1 draft picks dont live up to the hype
 

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for mine i rate Hurley above the others at the moment...he plays amongst a bunch of spuds with little or no support...Reid is a very good defender with plenty of help around him.

Watts is a potential star and should blossom, although he could also stagnate like Josh Fraser and Kosi.

Henderson is a bit of a handy swingman with potential unknown.

As for the Op it's just another thinly veiled troll.
 
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As much as I'm a fan of Hendo and think he will become a very solid CHB for Carlton over the next few years, the other 3 are going to be stars and are well in front of Hendo for both potential and performance (well except Watts but he'll soon start performing).

Next year: 1. Hurley 2. Reid 3. Henderson 4. Watts
Next 10 years 1. Watts 2. Hurley 3. Reid 4. Henderson
 

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Kouta was always a player without a position, until he started peaking around 98 ...
This isn't quite accurate. Kouta started his career as a wingman and had a couple of very good years in 1995-96 - could very well have taken out the 95' Norm Smith medal. On-ball was always his position, but by 1997 Parkin started to try him as a KPP at CHB and sometimes forward, which just didn't work. It was also around the same time he was staying up half the night caring for his dying father during which he was reportedly "a wreak". By late 99', nearly two years after the death of his father, Kouta started to play on-ball more and never looked back.
 

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Henderson doesn't belong in this comparison. As far as elite young KPP in the game, Sam Reid is closer to that status than Henderson.
Whilst I agree, I'd also say Watts might not belong here either.

For two reasons:

1. he might not even be a KPP, I really see him playing more of a midfield role.

2. James Frawley is way more deserving of being discussed than arguably any of these four players (maybe people consider him too old for the conversation though? Same with Jack Riewoldt I suppose)
 

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As for the Op it's just another thinly veiled troll.

Interesting.

I said on the Carlton board that Henderson wasn't cutting it as a KPF but looked a promising defender who hopefully plays there for a long time and helps us to a flag.

Others then politely corrected me, variously saying, Hendo was at least as good if not better than Hurley, much better than Watts, a potential 2012 AA, the most promising young tall defender in the comp, and an equally as good if not better forward than a backman.

So i thought i'd ask a few AFL supporters opinions here...oops sorry i mean i thought i'd troll here.:rolleyes:
 

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Henderson looks like a useless forward but a very good KPP. His performance in the final series was really impressive much to my surprise.
 

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Whilst I agree, I'd also say Watts might not belong here either.

For two reasons:

1. he might not even be a KPP, I really see him playing more of a midfield role.

2. James Frawley is way more deserving of being discussed than arguably any of these four players (maybe people consider him too old for the conversation though? Same with Jack Riewoldt I suppose)
2006 draft.
8. Ben Reid
12 James Frawley
13 Jack Reiwoldt

The latter 2 seem to have been around longer because they played for weaker teams, so got more game time and had higher profiles, but they're all (roughly) the same age.
 
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