Rated-yet-underrated Players

[Pykie]

I think the underbelly of that great Aus team.

Guys like Paul Rieffel, Kasprowicz, Bichel etc had pretty solid records.

Rieffel is probably in the very underrated list considering he still played 35 tests.

Got 100 test wickets @ 26.95 and averaged 26 with the bat.......

 

[Gough]

Goughy too.

 

[PhatBoy]

I think the underbelly of that great Aus team.

Guys like Paul Rieffel, Kasprowicz, Bichel etc had pretty solid records.

Rieffel is probably in the very underrated list considering he still played 35 tests.

Got 100 test wickets @ 26.95 and averaged 26 with the bat.......

Reiffel was a jet. I think he’s a lot better than the other two, who were good performers but just short of top shelf. From memory Pistol did really well in England

 

[Gough]

Reiffel was a jet. I think he’s a lot better than the other two, who were good performers but just short of top shelf. From memory Pistol did really well in England

Perfect example of why you don't have to bowl 140+ all the time.

 

[archibald]

I'll say Daryll Cullinan. Averaged close to 45 in 70 tests, often maligned due to looking dumbfounded against Warne and is seen by many as a joke due to this.

Also Saeed Anwar. Probably Pakistan's bet batsman in the 90's although doesn't get the same exposure as say Inzamam, Yousuf

 

[Gough]

I'll say Daryll Cullinan. Averaged close to 45 in 70 tests, often maligned due to looking dumbfounded against Warne and is seen by many as a joke due to this.

Also Saeed Anwar. Probably Pakistan's bet batsman in the 90's although doesn't get the same exposure as say Inzamam, Yousuf

If we are judging purely on their cricket, Salim Malik was a very attractive batsman to watch.

 

[KBLT]

Colin Croft.

When people think of the great Windies quicks of the past, they think of Marshall, Holding, Ambrose, Garner, Walsh, Roberts.

But almost everyone I talk to forgets about Croft. He was the fourth prong of Clive Lloyd's pace attack, but probably the hardest to pick. That run-up certainly didn't help.

He ended up with 125 wickets at 23.30 from 27 tests. To have a record that good when your teammates are Holding, Garner and Roberts, is very impressive.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Colin Croft.

When people think of the great Windies quicks of the past, they think of Marshall, Holding, Ambrose, Garner, Walsh, Roberts.

But almost everyone I talk to forgets about Croft. He was the fourth prong of Clive Lloyd's pace attack, but probably the hardest to pick. That run-up certainly didn't help.

He ended up with 125 wickets at 23.30 from 27 tests. To have a record that good when your teammates are Holding, Garner and Roberts, is very impressive.

The fact he went to South Africa probably plays a part in Crofts current stature.

 

[Gough]

The fact he went to South Africa probably plays a part in Crofts current stature.

He's been a lucky one when you look at what happened to a lot of those guys.

 

[KBLT]

The fact he went to South Africa probably plays a part in Crofts current stature.

One has to wonder how he would have done if he hadn't gone on those tours.

 

[roscreasl98]

I think the underbelly of that great Aus team.

Guys like Paul Rieffel, Kasprowicz, Bichel etc had pretty solid records.

Rieffel is probably in the very underrated list considering he still played 35 tests.

Got 100 test wickets @ 26.95 and averaged 26 with the bat.......

Paul Sheahan.

 

[Wolfs]

I reckon Thorpe, Reiffel and co were good but not great imo. I put Saeed Anwar as a great though.

Another player I would add in is Mahela Jayawardene. Overshadowed by Sangakkara

 

[PhatBoy]

Geez how good was Saeed Anwar to watch

 

[Damon_3388]

If we are judging purely on their cricket, Salim Malik was a very attractive batsman to watch.

As was Mohammad Azharuddin.

 

[RookiePick]

TBH Kumble's longevity helped him reach some of those heights. I still think he was good but not great, like someone who plays 300 games but never got an All Australian.

10 wickets in an innings in the historic pak v ind test to pull india out of the s**t. Extremely, extremely good bowler. Not sure how you can count longevity as a knock

 

[Bradesmaen]

10 wickets in an innings in the historic pak v ind test to pull india out of the s**t. Extremely, extremely good bowler. Not sure how you can count longevity as a knock

Longevity always helps you creep up a total list.

10 wickets in an innings is great, but they bowled him to death to get it and the other bowlers were deliberately not looking for wickets.

 

[RookiePick]

Longevity always helps you creep up a total list.

10 wickets in an innings is great, but they bowled him to death to get it and the other bowlers were deliberately not looking for wickets.

Revisionist nonsense. India were in the s**t and they were absolutely desperate to not lose that test. National pride was on the line.

Kumble very likely averted nuclear conflict single handedly. Show some respect.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Revisionist nonsense. India were in the s**t and they were absolutely desperate to not lose that test. National pride was on the line.

Kumble very likely averted nuclear conflict single handedly. Show some respect.

It's not revisionist when you watch it live.

You should also get a book about geopolitics and educate yourself on the Kashmir war.

Some of the things you read on here.. honestly.

 

[RookiePick]

India had a 420 run lead behind them...

You are truly a humourless individual.

But anyway. Kumble was a great bowler. Fantastic county record too.

 

[The_Reaper]

Andy Flower.

Should be rated very close to Gilchrist when we talk about great wicketkeeper-batsmen, but is never mentioned.

I think it's the opposite. People forget that he was an average keeper.

 

[2notepockets]

Martin Love - one of many who probably would've had long test careers if 10-15 years younger

 

[Wolfs]

I think it's the opposite. People forget that he was an average keeper.

I think Flower is talked about a lot.

Heath Streak though.

 

[Scotland]

10 wickets in an innings in the historic pak v ind test to pull india out of the s**t. Extremely, extremely good bowler. Not sure how you can count longevity as a knock

Longevity isn't a knock, but it frames relative records. Kumble taking 10 in an innings is a great performance, but it's a bit like Tom Lynch and Mark LeCras being current players to kick 10 in a game. 235 out of 236 innings he doesn't do that. Would you rather 300 games from David Neitz or Drew Petrie or 200 from Brendan Fevola?

Kumble averaged 29.7 striking at 66. Warne 25.4 @ 57 (Murali 22.7 @ 55). They bowled basically the same number of balls in their respective careers yet Warne took nearly 100 more wickets for fewer runs. It's a moot point because Warne also played a hell of a lot tests so has the better overall record but if Dale Steyn never plays again I'm not going to think Kumble was better because he played 50 more tests, I'm going to say Steyn was a jet for being one of only a handful of guys to take 400 wickets in under 100 tests with a low average and absurd strike rate.

 

[FRUMPY]

Reiffel was a jet. I think he’s a lot better than the other two, who were good performers but just short of top shelf. From memory Pistol did really well in England

The few years when he was taking wickets and scoring 50's was him at his best. Perfect 3rd bowler. Probably should have played another 10-15 tests

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[FRUMPY]

Andy Flower.

Should be rated very close to Gilchrist when we talk about great wicketkeeper-batsmen, but is never mentioned.

Yeah was a gun. Always looked at Zimbabwe scores for him. If he failed they were screwed, even when he did well they were bad but what a player. Think he got to no.1 better in the world at one point.

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