Ratten gone?

[bourbons]

Should be sacked tonight! That was rubbish and he was out coached again.
Beaten by a 2nd year side missing 13 of its best 22.

If Kernahan, MacKay and Swan are any good at their roles he won't be coach tomorrow.

Exactly the thing that should tell you last night wasn't Ratts' fault. FFS, Brynne Edelsten should have been able to coach that side to a win. Mentally weak doesn't even come close to describing it.

Won't make any difference though, think he will be gone. The club won't cop that and as others have said its just easier to blame to coach. Dunno if Malthouse is the answer, hell if I was him I wouldn't touch Carlton with a barge pole. A better run with injuries should see us bounce back next year regardless of who is coaching, but by bounce back I mean 4th - 8th. Teams with that sort of mental resolve will come no where near a flag.

It's funny how easy it is to get rid of coaches, but not players.

Carlton were masterfully coached by Ratten last night. The Blues led in disposals, clearances, contested possessions, inside 50's, tackles and scoring shots! There's not much more a coach could do.

The finger should be pointed at none other than Levi Casboult. 5 Behinds. Zero Goals. This bastard lost Carlton the game by wasting their opportunities. Now he's put Ratten out of a job.

Nice try, Casboult! You haven't got me fooled.

Harsh on a young guy playing his 5th game. Yep his kicking is atrocious but that can be improved, at least he was competing and getting his hands on it. I'd say there were many, many other senior players more deserving of a whack.

 

[David the Cat]

Good honest and accurate summary bourbons....kudos to you.

Its going to be tough for a while down your way.

 

[Heardy_101]

Apparently Carlton have a press conference at 11am.....does anyone know what this is about?

 

[PAFC_1870]

Can you imagine the reception Malthouse would get from the Pie cheer squad when he wandered out in Carlton colours???

Well it's not his fault... he wanted to coach Collingwood...

 

[james Dean]

There's really not much they can say. If Mick had his way he would still be coaching there but Eddie forced him out

 

[IanW]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145741/default.aspx

Give me Fuel, Give me Fire, Give me that of what I desire. Ooooo!!

Thats a job application alright.

 

[BlueDW]

It was interesting listening to Brereton's comments during the game, he thought the conditions would definitely affect Carlton. With so much at stake i always thought the Blues would come back, but they were spent by 3QTR time, there was no gas in the tank at the end. The fact that the Suns had a few out too makes it even more puzzling that the Blues could lose all form inside a week. What does that say about Essendon? The Bombers might end up short priced favourites for the spoon next year.

Not sure what you mean by this comment, it was bloody freezing at the game, so much so that I went looking for a beanie to buy at one stage!!! Conditions were very Melbourne like (temp wise), although it did appear very slippery.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Exactly the thing that should tell you last night wasn't Ratts' fault. FFS, Brynne Edelsten should have been able to coach that side to a win. Mentally weak doesn't even come close to describing it.

Well, if the group is mentally weak, whose fault is it? It's the senior coach's responsibility to build lists of players who can carry out his game plans, and if players can't do it, why have they been retained?

And if the current group don't have what it takes, then why do people feel Malthouse is the man to walk in and take them top?

 

[UpTheGuts]

How long will Malthouse get? 2 year deal? 5?

 

[Valve Bounce]

Blues embrace flag favouritism:


www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-18/blues-embracing-favourites-tag/3958738?section=sport

Delicious
Not Ratten's fault. Players should be in the crosshairs

Yeah!!! I agree. I simply cannot understand how Ratten could be directly blamed for the players playing poorly. I'd put the team to do community work like picking up dog poo from the Carlton streets.

 

[royals1922]

Some stats:

Carlton team on the weekend:

Number 1 picks
Gibbs, kreuzer and murphy

Number 2 picks
walker

Number 3 picks
Judd

Number 5 picks
mcLean

Number 6 picks
yarran


Gold Coast on the weekend

number 2 picks
Bennell

number 7 pics
caddy

number 11 picks
lynch

 

[Necromancer Beth]

Some stats:

Carlton team on the weekend:

Number 1 picks
Gibbs, kreuzer and murphy

Number 2 picks
walker

Number 3 picks
Judd

Number 5 picks
mcLean

Number 6 picks
yarran


Gold Coast on the weekend

number 2 picks
Bennell

number 7 pics
caddy

number 11 picks
lynch

My god they have got recruiting horribly wrong. Gibbs, Kreuzer, Walker & Yarran aren't worthy of the number they were picked up at. Could be a different story if they recruited differently.

 

[Tiger_man322]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145785/default.aspx

Signs are there. Would be stupid not to believe that Ratten is gone after this.

 

[GoCROWS!]

God MM is a tool.

Could one person have any more tickets on themselves.

 

[Colonial]

It's funny how easy it is to get rid of coaches, but not players.

Tell that to Wallabies fans in rugby and Tigers fans in League..... Though it does seem that there are some clubs that dont realise it takes a few years to turn around a losing culture.

 

[Bluelegs]

What happened to Mick not wanting other coaches to get ****ed over?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

No team in the history of the competition has choked more than Essendon this year.

But whatever helps you deflect from your club's awesome condition at present.

Even GWS would have made finals from 8-1

choking is when you miss a put, or shank an after the siren kick.

It's not as if Essendon fell apart under the pressure of being top 2...

 

[Lance Uppercut]

What happened to Mick not wanting other coaches to get screwed over?

don't you remember, about 6 weeks ago when Ratten was last under pressure, and Sticks went on radio and sounded so unconvincing it seemed Ratten was gone that weekend, then Malthouse came out on radio the next day and said he wouldn't coach a side that sacked it's coach during the season; then completely coincidentally Sticks came out on Radio that afternoon and was all of a sudden firm in his resolve that Ratten would see the year out?

 

[PumpyChowdown]

My god they have got recruiting horribly wrong. Gibbs, Kreuzer, Walker & Yarran aren't worthy of the number they were picked up at. Could be a different story if they recruited differently.

I wouldn't say that the recruiting was wrong as most people had these players there or thereabouts. But it CERTAINLY makes me question the development of these players.

 

[JackFlash]

Not sure what you mean by this comment, it was bloody freezing at the game, so much so that I went looking for a beanie to buy at one stage!!! Conditions were very Melbourne like (temp wise), although it did appear very slippery.

Strange, 23 with 80% humidity. Are you sure you were at the game or like the Carlton forward line were you asleep?

 

[teknodeejay]

choking is when you miss a put, or shank an after the siren kick.

It's not as if Essendon fell apart under the pressure of being top 2...

Pretty sure that's exactly what happened.

 

[royals1922]

People have begun to focus on the drafting of the Western Bulldogs from 2006 to 2010.

Ratten has been stitched up to a great degree by the Carlton recruiters during the same time.

2010 draft

Pick 18 Matthew Watson

instead of

pick 19 - Isaac Smith
pick 23 - Cam Guthrie
pick 24 - Jamie Cripps
pick 25 - Patrick Karnezis
Pick 26 - Jack Darling
Pick 27 - Kieran Harper

other Carlton picks,some of whom have been injury affected - McCarthy, Mitchell, McInnes,duigan

2009 draft

Pick 12 - Kane Lucas

In fairness, probably not much worse than a lot behind him

other Carlton picks - Davies and Kerr

2008 draft

pick 6 - Chris Yarran

instead of

7. Rich
8. Vickery
9. Ziebell
10. Davis
11. Sidebottom
18. Shuey

other Carlton picks - Robinson, o'Keeffe and Tiller

2007 draft

pick 1 Kreuzer

instead of

2 Cotchin
( and a lot of the rest in fairness were so so)

other carlton picks -Browne and Armfield

2006 draft

number 1 - Gibbs

instead of
no 5 Boak
no 7 Selwood
no 8 Reid

Other carlton picks included Hampson, Grigg, Austin, Benjamin and Anderson

I'm not sure Ratten can coach but it would help if a side drafts some good players.

 

[bourbons]

Well, if the group is mentally weak, whose fault is it? It's the senior coach's responsibility to build lists of players who can carry out his game plans, and if players can't do it, why have they been retained?

And if the current group don't have what it takes, then why do people feel Malthouse is the man to walk in and take them top?

Ratts was also coach when we flogged Collingwood twice and Essendon last week. These blokes are supposedly professional athletes and motivation is internal, so I thats where I put the blame. The coach can implement tactics, structures, gameplan etc. He can't go out and take the field in suitable state of intensity for them. Make no mistake, we were 6 goals down at 1/4 time against half a Gold Coast team, the players WERE NOT READY and that is their responsibility.

And its a bit hard to get rid of players not up to it when thats probably half your list, based on Saturday night. Thats the thing though, these same blokes can and have played like world beaters - now that there is nothing to play for, they'll probably come out a beat St Kilda by 6+ goals, just watch.

I don't know if Malthouse is the answer.

 

[MightyTiger]

People have begun to focus on the drafting of the Western Bulldogs from 2006 to 2010.

Ratten has been stitched up to a great degree by the Carlton recruiters during the same time.

2010 draft

Pick 18 Matthew Watson

instead of

pick 19 - Isaac Smith
pick 23 - Cam Guthrie
pick 24 - Jamie Cripps
pick 25 - Patrick Karnezis
Pick 26 - Jack Darling
Pick 27 - Kieran Harper

other Carlton picks,some of whom have been injury affected - McCarthy, Mitchell, McInnes,duigan

2009 draft

Pick 12 - Kane Lucas

In fairness, probably not much worse than a lot behind him

other Carlton picks - Davies and Kerr

2008 draft

pick 6 - Chris Yarran

instead of

7. Rich
8. Vickery
9. Ziebell
10. Davis
11. Sidebottom
18. Shuey

other Carlton picks - Robinson, o'Keeffe and Tiller

2007 draft

pick 1 Kreuzer

instead of

2 Cotchin
( and a lot of the rest in fairness were so so)

other carlton picks -Browne and Armfield

2006 draft

number 1 - Gibbs

instead of
no 5 Boak
no 7 Selwood
no 8 Reid

Other carlton picks included Hampson, Grigg, Austin, Benjamin and Anderson

I'm not sure Ratten can coach but it would help if a side drafts some good players.

All those first round choices would be good choices if they actually had a core group of KPPs to begin with, they loaded up on talls in 2010 to try and rectify the list imbalance they have, but, the problem is, is that they have a core group of older players such as Waite, Judd, Simpson and Scotland, all of whole are in there absolute prime as AFL footballers, but they will have to wait at least 3-5 years before the KPP stocks of 2010 enter there prime, by that time comes around there core group of older players will have all retired or near retirement.

If they don't do anything meaningful with those older players around it will be some time again before they have another tilt at a Premiership.

 

[BrunoV]

My god they have got recruiting horribly wrong. Gibbs, Kreuzer, Walker & Yarran aren't worthy of the number they were picked up at. Could be a different story if they recruited differently.

Is this a serious comment? If it is it is absolute tripe.


You could redo the 2006 draft 100 times over with ever club getting a pick and Bryce Gibbs would have been picked at number 1 every time. He was clearly regarded as the best kid in that draft.

If you did 2007 you'd split Kreuzer and Cotchin 50/50 for top spot.

As for 2003 and Andrew Walker at 2, even with all of his injury problems, he easily in the top few players to come from the draft and quite possibly second behind Cooney given that Beau Waters has been equally as injury ravage. I don't know if you can expect to do any better than getting one of the top 5 players in any draft.

Yarran is probably a little controversial but he is easily one of the most naturally gifted players playing the game. On his talent alone you can probably justify his selection.