If people start rejecting logic and stats cos it doesnt suit their view then you reduce yourself to be incapable of human debate. We may as well shut this forum down. By the way menzel had the same tackles in his last game as rohan did on friday. Not that it matters cos rohan had pysch pressure. Yes. pHysche pressure..... lets all say it again, pysche pressure.
We. Do. Not. Need. A. Two. Goal. Unaccountable. Forward.
Yes absolutely a player like Menzel has his place in football. He had great goal sense and was a quality finisher.
He also had - through no fault of his own - absolutely no ability to make an opponent accountable whenever the ball wasn’t in his hands, was able to apply no pressure (again not his fault) and was simply unable to bring any real pressure.
We have one of the best power forwards of the last decade.
We have a midfielder who in another universe could be a 50-60 goal forward. We have perhaps the most skilful player of the century who was also one time our leading goal kicker. We have two more midfielders who can easily average a goal plus a game.
What we didn’t have is players capable of keeping the ball forward, tackling, chasing, hassling, scrapping.
You are one of the biggest critics of what we were doing for the last 3 years. Why do you have such a moral objection to such a clear effort to redress the issues that led to our exit in those 3 years
Definitely a new look forward line with all players trying to lock it in and create turnovers either directly or by forcing a rushed exit - lot to like about that
One little thing that I also loved - Miers laid a solid shepherd for Parfitt even though he was on the goal line and safe from being tackled
Shows a positive mindset and adherence to discipline which has been a question of late , if they all think that way can only be a good thing 👍
Its amazing people complaining about Rohan yet he did stuff like that, and crash packs, things that don't warrant a stat. He pressured the Collingwood defense into some back clearances as well, no stat for that either. And people are acting like he was as bad as Menzel.
And if it wasn't for some indecision Rohan would have had a goal or two.
I'm a data analyst these days. I have to say dismissing statistics because you can use them to lie is like never eating banana cake again because someone made one with mouldy bananas one day. Statistics, should be used to draw inferences, and make predictions. Not sweeping statements.
The fact that there are statistics for some things and not for others in our game means that players will always do things (both helpful and unhelpful) which aren't "measured". Is there a stat for shitting the bed when the easiest goal in the world could have been kicked? I can think of a Collingwood player who deserves one of those as well. Is there a stat for getting caught holding the ball after taking what the player clearly thought was a mark? For those things we need to just observe and go well thats helpful or not. Even the stuff that is recorded isn't perfect, or necessarily a great measure of players output. But dismissing it as irrelevant is folly.
Stats are fine until you start trying to measure the unmeasurable.
You can measure a David Gilmore concert in decibels, but what is that saying about the quality of performance or the way an audience feels?
I am not a stats person, but they certainly have merit... the issue is when people try to soley use them for an argument or say they never provide anything, as with most things the truth is somewhere in the middle