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Autopsy Rd 2 vs Hawks - Blues fight but lose due to lack of class and pace ... again

Who played well for the Blues in Round 2 vs Hawthorn?


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The glaringly obvious difference was their D50 transition x hand.

We’re just not doing it at the moment - running in waves to accept the handball.

Go back to R15 last year & watch the team running in support - playing on.

It’s in there somewhere!

Confidence is king.

I don’t buy we don’t have the list or depth. We are stacked with talent compared to to other teams. Review the list if you prefer.

Our problem(s) are evident and haven’t changed. The difference in play was as evident last night as day and night.

1. We don’t run and carry from a stoppage. We kick to the next contest.
2. We kick long inside 50 to Harry or Charlie. No matter what the numbers are against each forward. We don’t honour leads from others or look to lower the eyes to go short.

That’s coaching.

Ball use, ball movement, ball retention, ball delivery. In a game of some 250-300 possessions or whatever, the relative efficiency of this by either side becomes crucial to the outcome.

Both teams’ pressure was good. So under the pressure applied, generally:

The Hawks: appeared to maintain poise more, (including absorb the tackle) get it out to a guy who has clearer vision downfield, (a few handballs) hence a better kick forward : clean clearance

Blues: (though Cripps and George at times were doing some of the above early I thought), I can’t count the times our guys rushed it to boot coming out of congestion, with a blind kick forward: dirty clearance

Going with the assumption we are not instructed to use blind kicks, ergo its happening by default when the pressure is applied in close/congestion

The Hawks method looks like a discipline, presumably trained, practised under pressure conditions

Last night was the most evident display I think I’ve seen, of the contrast between two different ball use methods, broadly: Precise kicking to advantage VS. Untargeted blind/rushed kicks

I think We can improve this and turn fortunes around ‘in-season’ pretty quickly if we, Urgently:

a) -we need to have an “absolutely no blind kicks rule” (take extra 1/2 second, absorb tackle if necessary, look, handball to better position/ look for target when Kicking ), and, practise this under pressure conditions. Starting today. Guys like Walsh, Cerra, DeKonig can change the way they do this, but it requires changing some habits (Cripps has shown us this can be done)

b) -get Boyd in, Carroll if ready, and look to fast track Wilson if he’s thereabouts, and White. Speed and ball use.

Must do’s. Or else start a reset.

A lot of the defensive pressure and positioning was good and we were right in it, if a few things had gone our way (we missed a few, were denied a few), so there’s upside to get in it this season if we attend urgently
 
His pressers have become a lot worse …clutching straws eyes moving around quickly …it’s all becoming too confusing for him and he doesn’t have answers

He’s out of his depths unfortunately for us
It's also the arrogance in alot of his responses that bugs me. You can see the visibility chip on his shoulder when he is being questioned.

Sometimes you just need to cop it and admit you were wrong and say it's something you will look into rectifying during the week. Instead he double down on everything.

No team is perfect there are always things to improve. At this moment in time Carlton have alot to improve
 
It's clear you need at minimum 4 absolute elite kicks in the back half of the ground, including the wingers to be able to transition effectively and score from defence. I'd argue we have none.
Acres looks off this year but people are still ignoring our game plan of ‘no run and carry’.
I disagree we don’t as Cowan, Ollie, Lucas, Doc even Saad amongst others can run and deliver, maybe not elite, but that is a cop out, as we just don’t play the game like that!!!
 

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The plus side is that rebuilds now have been shown to not need to take 5-7 years. They can be done in 2.

The key really is the players you bring in via trade & Free Agency. Hawthorn rejuvinated things seemingly overnight with a couple of astute trades. They've got a couple of drafted kids but the biggest impact is coming from players brought in from other avenues.

It's just crucially important to get those inter-club moves right and for good value. The issue is, we've been less than great at that.

They have done this over 4-5 years
 
One of the few sparks from last night, finally looked like the player we had hoped he would become.. that needs to be his standard, although would like him to pick up the ball cleanly instead of going for the kick of the ground as often as he does.
Thtere wa a few bright sparks last night to me - hopefully it is viewed as the game we turned or year around. - Forced the Hawks to bring an insane amount of pressure and if not for a millimetre here or there on a couple of shots and some brilliant footskills from the hawks the game could easily have gone the other way.
 
Kick straight , Jagga smith in , Newman in, get a little more ump love this game ends differently . Calm
0n the rebuild. Our biggest weakness
Is between the ears atm . Rebuild
Won’t fix that
I’d like someone to answer me why others get looked after by the umpires so much and we just don’t.
Is there something the club needs to do that others have done? Sponsorship dollars maybe? I’m just confused….
 

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Ball use, ball movement, ball retention, ball delivery. In a game of some 250-300 possessions or whatever, the relative efficiency of this by either side becomes crucial to the outcome.

Both teams’ pressure was good. So under the pressure applied, generally:

The Hawks: appeared to maintain poise more, (including absorb the tackle) get it out to a guy who has clearer vision downfield, (a few handballs) hence a better kick forward : clean clearance

Blues: (though Cripps and George at times were doing some of the above early I thought), I can’t count the times our guys rushed it to boot coming out of congestion, with a blind kick forward: dirty clearance

Going with the assumption we are not instructed to use blind kicks, ergo its happening by default when the pressure is applied in close/congestion

The Hawks method looks like a discipline, presumably trained, practised under pressure conditions

Last night was the most evident display I think I’ve seen, of the contrast between two different ball use methods, broadly: Precise kicking to advantage VS. Untargeted blind/rushed kicks

I think We can improve this and turn fortunes around ‘in-season’ pretty quickly if we, Urgently:

a) -we need to have an “absolutely no blind kicks rule” (take extra 1/2 second, absorb tackle if necessary, look, handball to better position/ look for target when Kicking ), and, practise this under pressure conditions. Starting today. Guys like Walsh, Cerra, DeKonig can change the way they do this, but it requires changing some habits (Cripps has shown us this can be done)

b) -get Boyd in, Carroll if ready, and look to fast track Wilson if he’s thereabouts, and White. Speed and ball use.

Must do’s. Or else start a reset.

A lot of the defensive pressure and positioning was good and we were right in it, if a few things had gone our way (we missed a few, were denied a few), so there’s upside to get in it this season if we attend urgently
Blind kicks forward are happening mostly because our players are isolated in the contest.

Hawthorn handballed it to the outside again & again knowing they were set up around the contest.

Moreover, they ran to support - our guys aren’t for some reason. It allows better extraction from contest & easier transition.

If nobody runs to support - what options do you have under pressure?

Dump kick.

Do they have the confidence to run forward & leave their man - or are they s*** scared of being found out on the rebound.

We lack confidence to run to support - team play is set aside for personal survival.

We need to be brave - it’s a mindset change.
 
Jordan Boyd is one of the better kicks in the competition. Second he is ready he needs to be back in this team and they need to look for him coming out of D50

Agree. I want to see Boyd Wilson Carroll coming out of the back half with Saad at some stage They run and can use it

My fear is the way we play stiffles this

The other one is Cottrell. I have always thought his best role is HB. He is good runner but doesn't find the ball enough. He is very clean and a good kick and can shut down players. I reckon he would do well in defence
 
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I didn't think that Voss could appear anymore deluded but I've just read that he said that Charlie "did his job" and "competed well".

🤡
He’s speaking to his team through the media.

Worst thing he could do for Charlie’s confidence is single him ( or anyone else ) out.

He’s backing his team in to raise confidence.

Don’t worry - media & “supporters” already doing a great job of lambasting individuals - as though that achieves something!
 
Firstly congrats Blake Acres on playing 50 games at the club.
Secondly, his first 2 games have been horrible, unlike his first 2 years.
Disposal averages are down 7, inside 50's average is down 2, and Effective kicks average is down 5. Kicking efficiency is at 31 per cent after being over 60 in the first two years, Ground ball gets is down 4.
We need that run back from flank to flank. Hopefully the dome brings him back to form.
 
Agree. I want to see Boyd Wilson Carroll coming out of the back half with Saad at some stage They run and can use it

My fear is the way we play stiffles this

The other one is Cottrell. I have always though his best role is HB. He is good runner but doesn't find the ball enough. He is very clean and a good kick and can shut down players. I reckon he would do well in defence
What's happening with Wilson? Heard he played midfield in the VFL practice match. Is he changing roles?
 
They have done this over 4-5 years
Really kicked on post Clarkson tbf, they looked to be languishing until that change was made despite moves.

But in any case, it's more likely to be longer which is sad, but on the other side I am excited to see the Walkers in action. I'd love to see Walker and Cripps at least have 1 or 2 years together before Cripps falls away. As a 1-2 punch they'd be amazing.
 
I have been a fan. Think he can be a very good player. Last week p1ssed me with his effort

Last night was a vaste improvement. Now needs to keep building. Has the ability

Yeah, last week was a real step backwards for Mots, but he really worked into it yesterday.
The slightest bit of luck who knows how it ends up.
Hopefully he keeps building, there is talent there.
 
Firstly congrats Blake Acres on playing 50 games at the club.
Secondly, his first 2 games have been horrible, unlike his first 2 years.
Disposal averages are down 7, inside 50's average is down 2, and Effective kicks average is down 5. Kicking efficiency is at 31 per cent after being over 60 in the first two years, Ground ball gets is down 4.
We need that run back from flank to flank. Hopefully the dome brings him back to form.
I've noticed this too. He's really reverted to the mean in regards to his career. Hopefully it's just a slow start and he gets back to his Carlton form.
 

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