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Stig O'Hara said:
Agree.
Reckon he's found a place as the run with tagger since Ed went down.
He covers a lot of ground out there, and is quick enough to find an opponent when they have the pill.

Granted his disposal can be utterly baffling at times, but he's getting it 25 times, and is laying tackles.
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Very underrated facet of football.....at least by us supporters, sometimes.
The more bodies you can get from contest to contest, the likelier you will be of getting hands onto the ball, or at least locking it up giving you another chance

ECurnow & Kerridge, whilst on the ground, regularly manage to make it to the next contest.
They may not always win it, but allow others to do so.
 

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Farktherest said:
He had a great game.

His tackling and running was outstanding...he was putting on some really tough tackles.

And his disposal was solid as well except for the one i50 where he kicked it to no one and it went out of bounds.
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The big improvement in his game is that he isn't fumbling like we was earlier in the season. He is a good kick and has good hands overhead and seems to have adjusted to the pace of the game (earlier in the season he didn't seem to have adjusted to the pace of seconds footy).
 
Soapy V said:
Going forward can they play in the same side? Big call if everyone is fit and firing
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Maybe one of them starts on the bench, but ideally you'd want to see one of them show some more form in front of the goals. Kerridge has done it before (twice against NM while playing for Adelaide) but I don't think we've seen it in his time at Carlton. If he could regain that confidence in front of goal he'd be a fantastic mid/fwd rotation.
 
HARKER said:
Maybe not. I don't know.

In a roundabout way, I'd like to think not, but we do need some grunt around stoppages.
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Kerridge has impressed me recently but he is very similar to Curnow. You always want one of there type in a side but I struggle to see both in our best 22. They are midfielder workers or nothing IMO. Add Cripps Cuningham Charlie Murphy Gibbs SPS Fisher Hopper & Balic and I can't see it. Nice problem to have though
 

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I sit back and think next year - when a pre-season is into SPS/Pickett/Charlie and Cripps and Ed are back - more run and more grunt - West Coast are in trouble in midfield - Kennedy pulled a few out of his bum to make the difference against a very under manned side- no way they get the repeat free and easy breaks from center bounces to win the match in the final quarter with Cripps and Ed on field as part of rotations.

Carlton might 'win a spoon' but the side is on the way up - lack of depth might deliver a spoon not crappy play or lack of endeavour.
 
Noticed a few times Kerridge getting hospital handballs (one from Gibbs) and general played it well, except for one where he was caught cold from behind and got pinged (that was the Gibbs one). He seems to be gaining a lot more composure and not panicking as much with ball in hand, which probably equates to his improving disposal efficiency. I don't see why we couldn't fit both him and Ed into midfield rotations, for awhile yet.
 
JustaBattler said:
I sit back and think next year - when a pre-season is into SPS/Pickett/Charlie and Cripps and Ed are back - more run and more grunt - West Coast are in trouble in midfield - Kennedy pulled a few out of his bum to make the difference against a very under manned side- no way they get the repeat free and easy breaks from center bounces to win the match in the final quarter with Cripps and Ed on field as part of rotations.

Carlton might 'win a spoon' but the side is on the way up - lack of depth might deliver a spoon not crappy play or lack of endeavour.
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Exactly. Couldn't be happier and really looking forward to 2018. I thought the weekend showed a lot of positives

Kids that this year have got experience will start to step up and influence games consistently. Other players have improved a lot. Bolton has done a great job balancing development with being competitive. Be very interesting the balance he strikes with a new gorup of kids added in October/November
 
HARKER said:
The team that didn't play on the weekend:

Byrne Rowe White
Macreadie Marchbank Sheehan

Phillips Cripps Cuningham
Sumner ECurnow Palmer

Polson Jaskch Kerr
Sumner McKay Lebois

Buckley Graham ASilvagni Gallucci
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Nice. Highlighted ones I believe can push for best 22 in 2018. Not easy considering we have another draft/trade period to improve our list
 

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HARKER said:
In my case, I don't do Facebook, Twitter nor care to be influenced by others' opinions and have put forward my observations of Weitering.
I also 'feel' that some of those observations wouldn't have simply slipped by Bolton......I'm pretty sure of that.

Seems to me that we're pushing to develop a group-think that there's simply nothing wrong with Weiterings current game.
Some have even gone as far as to suggest that Bolton did the wrong thing by wanting to turn him into a forward. :)

I can't, nor care to speak for others, but I'm surprised that many don't see anything wrong with Weiterings current output.
Yes, he has injuries but so do many others. No excuse for not giving 100%. Cripps played for weeks with broken rubs.
Weitering also has a propensity to 'highlight' his injuries and that will have to be knocked out of him.

I think Weitering is better than he has been showing to date......like much better, so let's not set our standards too low by making excuses for him.
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And there lies the rub.

You seem to have formed an impression of Weitering that he doesn't give 100%, due to injury or mental weakness or whatever reason. Then, when people disagree with that impression - many of them - and highlight a good performance, you label it 'groupthink'.

It's fine to form your own impressions, but diametries are intellectually lazy. It isn't a with em, against us sort of a thing, therefore people who disagree with you are not participating in a 'groupthink' any more than you are for agreeing with other people that Weits is lazy.

I think Weits is great, but could be a generational talent; you seem to think the same. What's the argument here?
 
Gethelred said:
And there lies the rub.

You seem to have formed an impression of Weitering that he doesn't give 100%, due to injury or mental weakness or whatever reason. Then, when people disagree with that impression - many of them - and highlight a good performance, you label it 'groupthink'.

It's fine to form your own impressions, but diametries are intellectually lazy. It isn't a with em, against us sort of a thing, therefore people who disagree with you are not participating in a 'groupthink' any more than you are for agreeing with other people that Weits is lazy.

I think Weits is great, but could be a generational talent; you seem to think the same. What's the argument here?
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Yes, I do and I'll tell you why. I put forward a view based on observation and in return we get.....well, have a look at the last few pages.
Not many care to discuss the points raised, but sooner applaud how many meters he has covered. What does that even mean? We know he's an athlete.

Like I said, I don't know nor care what others think and I may well be wrong, but I see a reason for Bolton to have some concerns about Weiterings development. I have nothing against Jacob and he'll develop into a wonderful footballer, but the concerns, as minor as they may be, are exactly what I'd say to his face, should I have the opportunity.
 
HARKER said:
Yes, I do and I'll tell you why. I put forward a view based on observation and in return we get.....well, have a look at the last few pages.
Not many care to discuss the points raised, but sooner applaud how many meters he has covered. What does that even mean? We know he's an athlete.

Like I said, I don't know nor care what others think and I may well be wrong, but I see a reason for Bolton to have some concerns about Weiterings development. I have nothing against Jacob and he'll develop into a wonderful footballer, but the concerns, as minor as they may be, are exactly what I'd say to his face, should I have the opportunity.
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It's pretty clear why people point to metres covered when discussing a player like Weitering; like Nick Riewoldt, he covers a huge amount of territory. Secondly, he's had a down month/month and a half, and has had people calling him disinterested, among other things, with others saying he doesn't work hard enough or doesn't care. Metres gained is a means of disproving some of those criticisms, which brings me back to what I said.

Your appelation of the praise given to Weitering as 'groupthink' is lazy, as you are collecting everyone who disagrees with you and placing them in an opposition camp.

I don't have an issue with your opinion, nor do I truly disagree with it, but I can think of several factors which mitigate his form slump, as I've no doubt you can. What I do take issue with is you strawmanning my point of view as 'groupthink'. It's reductive, and it's argumentative, but most of all it's point blank lazy; why argue with someone when you can call them Big Brother and co?
 
RAPPA said:
If this is the end for Simmo, it would be good for the supporters that he gets a farewell game in Melbourne so we can pay tribute. Alternatively he may be given the extra year on the proviso that he plays maybe 14 games. Let's not forget that he absolutely starred in the first half of the year but has gradually faded. He'll be fantastic in a developmental/mentoring role.
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As much as a love the bloke ..the signs have been there for a few Games now ..his decision making and disposal have been wanting at times . will be a sad day when he no longer runs out with the Team :(
 
Gethelred said:
And there lies the rub.

You seem to have formed an impression of Weitering that he doesn't give 100%, due to injury or mental weakness or whatever reason. Then, when people disagree with that impression - many of them - and highlight a good performance, you label it 'groupthink'.

It's fine to form your own impressions, but diametries are intellectually lazy. It isn't a with em, against us sort of a thing, therefore people who disagree with you are not participating in a 'groupthink' any more than you are for agreeing with other people that Weits is lazy.

I think Weits is great, but could be a generational talent; you seem to think the same. What's the argument here?
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Agree. Someone posted his GPS figures. For 2 weeks running he has been right up there with kerridge and co. Hardly lazy
 

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