RDFL 2014 Thread

[Mick Carroll]

If what ive heard is true about the local journo playing mix and match with what he was told by one of the coaches in our league... Id like to think all clubs would enter into an unwritten and staunchly followed league wide refusal to deal or talk to the fella responsible. Journos are taught through their uni years about the ethics involved and related to that sort of shit, and its common place in any media outlets that its strictly taboo. At least that would send a message to the other papers and journos that cover us, that if thats the road you wanna take, the whole league, not just the one bloke or club that its directly effected, will stand together in reaction to it, it will not be tolerated, and their will be repercussions if you go down that path. Because it mightnt be you or your club involved when something like that happens, but if its left to just fly through to the keeper with no backlash from anyone, its a lot easier for them to continue doing it and maybe one day you and yours will get stung. I really cant see that happening at a local paper but. Not as if they have to sell more copys than the other two local rags, its not the bloody news of the world. Lazy uninterested journalism might offer the answer... Who knows whats gone on but. Matty pickles would never have ballesed up an article like that but. Bring back the purple pickle i say...haha

 

[Skipper1966]

G'day mick
Yes I was going to be a part owner in the wallan east pub with Baz and Gav langbourne but after a discussion with my wife and family it was decided that at this time in my life it wasn't going to happen. I owned the broadford hotel for 6 years , so I knew how much time and dedication it takes to run a hotel
And yes it is true that the lads still involved are looking to start a mad Mondays in the hotel from this year
Now that could be interesting
Stay tuned

 

[Wild Bill]

They're still throwing $$$ at their players, just in a different way. A bit like the Chris Judd - Visy arrangement. Riddell are in a very fortunate position and I respect them as a club. Good luck to you, but I wouldn't class it as smart recruiting as such. Every club would do the same if they were fortunate enough to be in the same position. Once again, I respect Riddell and their Pres and I wish them all the best.

Just back to the money tree Riddell has - they have added Cariss with more announcements to come. They will lose Mick Allen to retirement and maybe his brother. But they rest will stay.

What Riddell do so well is pay players what they are worth - they have identified some players from the 2013 group that will be forced to take a pay cut due to form, injury or outside influences - these cuts will accommodate Cariss and the new recruits - so they have not found more money on their money tree - just relocated their player payments.

It’s a good sign when you can explain to a player we are reducing your payments and they still stay - even if they have an over inflated value of their playing worth. It's the culture of well-run club.

 

[ORANGE UMP]

Riddell Umpires would like announce that we have a new website replacing the old one at www.riddellumpires.com.au
If anyone is interested in becoming an umpire or would just like to make an enquiry there is a contact us form on the website.

 

[Springbank]

Springbank Football Club (central highlands football league) ballarat area are looking for practises matches for the following dates:

15th March 2014
22nd March 2014

Our ground is available but willing to travel if suits.

Kind regards

SFNC - 0433764761

 

[Good result]

is this true?????

Ill pose a scenario for everyone. I signed john baker from lancefield a few months ago. Id been stuffed around by him several times in the past so when he approached me I made him front romseys executive committee and pleed his case before we would decide to sign him to a legal binding document. And he claimed that he played the best footy of his career under me and he lives in romsey and this is exactly what he wants. So we signed him on a contract and here we are 3 months later having him want to get out of his contract and go to the sunbury kangas.i also hear that due to close town rivalry that sunbury are trying to ensure that lancefield ignore our contract and clear john to them. May I add that I signed john at bacchus marsh last year and he disappearead with a very large sign on fee yet to be returned. Now can anyone tell me that my contract with john is not valid?????

Wow now that opens pandora box !

 

[Dons81]

is this true?????

Ill pose a scenario for everyone. I signed john baker from lancefield a few months ago. Id been stuffed around by him several times in the past so when he approached me I made him front romseys executive committee and pleed his case before we would decide to sign him to a legal binding document. And he claimed that he played the best footy of his career under me and he lives in romsey and this is exactly what he wants. So we signed him on a contract and here we are 3 months later having him want to get out of his contract and go to the sunbury kangas.i also hear that due to close town rivalry that sunbury are trying to ensure that lancefield ignore our contract and clear john to them. May I add that I signed john at bacchus marsh last year and he disappearead with a very large sign on fee yet to be returned. Now can anyone tell me that my contract with john is not valid?????

It's true from a football perspective the contract is not valid until cleared to your club. People offer sign ons not only as an incentive to the player but also to help make sure the player stays on and doesn't keep shopping around. Guys are less likely to keep looking if they have already taken cash. I guess it depends on the quality of the individual you are dealing with though. If they are doing things like that then you probably don't want them anyway. From the clubs I have contacts at I have very rarely heard of guys running off with sign on fees but it does happen especially in bigger comps. As far as I have been told the contracts are definitely not binding until a player has been cleared though

 

[Doona2]

It's true from a football perspective the contract is not valid until cleared to your club.

. As far as I have been told the contracts are definitely not binding until a player has been cleared though

That's my understanding of all this too, until a player is actually registered at your club then any contract isn't really binding and/or valid.

 

[seanJ]

With Baker as you know he has a history of doing exactly what he has done here and I pose the question why would anyone want that type of individual at their club in any capacity.
Maybe all clubs should walk away from him and then where would he be?????

 

[Dons81]

With Baker as you know he has a history of doing exactly what he has done here and I pose the question why would anyone want that type of individual at their club in any capacity.
Maybe all clubs should walk away from him and then where would he be?????

That's the issue I guess. There will always be clubs willing to have a look at him given he is a forward and clubs know that he will listen to offers. Will always be a club desperate enough to ask the question. Forwards are hard to find. I think I have the right guy? Full forward from Lsncefield?

 

[Wild Bill]

is this true?????

Ill pose a scenario for everyone. I signed john baker from lancefield a few months ago. Id been stuffed around by him several times in the past so when he approached me I made him front romseys executive committee and pleed his case before we would decide to sign him to a legal binding document. And he claimed that he played the best footy of his career under me and he lives in romsey and this is exactly what he wants. So we signed him on a contract and here we are 3 months later having him want to get out of his contract and go to the sunbury kangas.i also hear that due to close town rivalry that sunbury are trying to ensure that lancefield ignore our contract and clear john to them. May I add that I signed john at bacchus marsh last year and he disappearead with a very large sign on fee yet to be returned. Now can anyone tell me that my contract with john is not valid?????

Thats a disgrace. Especially taking a sign on fee and not having it returned. He is lucky not to get a knock on his door from debt collectors.......

They should be valid - you sign you name to a document you play for the club that year or sit it out.

 

[Itsmyshow]

Thats a disgrace. Especially taking a sign on fee and not having it returned. He is lucky not to get a knock on his door from debt collectors.......

They should be valid - you sign you name to a document you play for the club that year or sit it out.

Unfortunately that's not the case, a contract isn't valid unless you are registered to that club.

 

[Wild Bill]

Unfortunately that's not the case, a contract isn't valid unless you are registered to that club.

Gee that makes it hard on the clubs - they think they have a player locked away, a key position filled and his payments allocated out of the clubs total player payments. They lose the player and then have to fill the hole - it is lucky Romsey have time to find a replacement. If this happened in March it can really hurt a club.

This is something VCFL should be looking at - make the contract valid or not have them at all.

In a perfect world the RDFL clubs should have a gentleman’s agreement to honour a contact if a player has signed at another RDFL club. It would stop players club hoping and the driving up of player payments.

 

[Itsmyshow]

Unfortunately, I think it is the best way of doing it, the amount of time spent on disputes outside of this ruling would be phenominal.

At least it gives a standard rule point and takes away the grey areas.

This is the standard ruling in the AFL Victoria contracts.


The club and player acknowledge that this contract has been entered into in good faith. The contract shall only be valid, when the player becomes registered with the club. This contract shall terminate on the 31st day of October in the final year referred to above.

 

[Doona2]

Change the date for clearances to being able to be lodged from November 1st to fall into line with recruiting and pre-season's kicking off.

 

[Wild Bill]

Unfortunately, I think it is the best way of doing it, the amount of time spent on disputes outside of this ruling would be phenominal.

At least it gives a standard rule point and takes away the grey areas.

This is the standard ruling in the AFL Victoria contracts.


The club and player acknowledge that this contract has been entered into in good faith. The contract shall only be valid, when the player becomes registered with the club. This contract shall terminate on the 31st day of October in the final year referred to above.

How does a player register with a club?

 

[Doona2]

How does a player register with a club?

All players who played a game this year (or before that) remain registered with that club until a time he seeks transfer elsewhere. Once the transfer is approved he becomes registered to his new club, which is why I say bring the process forward to give clubs every chance of knowing where they are at before mid Feb to March.

 

[Itsmyshow]

Change the date for clearances to being able to be lodged from November 1st to fall into line with recruiting and pre-season's kicking off.

This

Best solution possible.

 

[matt_nicholls]

I'm mixed on the Romsey situation. I'm sympathetic towards the Redbacks, but in a way I think they were stupid to sign a person with such form in November/December.

Clearances should definitely open on November 1. Football is no longer an amateur operation. Just about all leagues in the state have paid officials.

 

[Wild Bill]

I'm mixed on the Romsey situation. I'm sympathetic towards the Redbacks, but in a way I think they were stupid to sign a person with such form in November/December.

Clearances should definitely open on November 1. Football is no longer an amateur operation. Just about all leagues in the state have paid officials.

If he fronts the board and pleads his case to play for Romsay you would have thought that he was dedicated to the playing at the club.

 

[Good result]

All players who played a game this year (or before that) remain registered with that club until a time he seeks transfer elsewhere. Once the transfer is approved he becomes registered to his new club, which is why I say bring the process forward to give clubs every chance of knowing where they are at before mid Feb to March.

Is there any other reason why he wants to leave
Have here'd that we have sign another full forward .
LOBB ?
And has DAVO sign?

 

[Innovativefwd]

Is there any other reason why he wants to leave
Have here'd that we have sign another full forward .
LOBB ?
And has DAVO sign?

My club (affiliated with the EDFL) spoke with John after he approached us through a mutual friend of a sponsor about the possibility of joining our club in 2014. He was honest and upfront in regards to his situation made it clear to us he had signed at Romsey Football Club, however the circumstances and guidelines under which he had agreed to sign in October had subsequently changed with the recruitment of Phil Lobb from Douta Stars and Matt Davidson committing to a new contract for 2014. John also bought to light that it was in-fact bought to his attention these gents had committed to Romsey through another RDFL club which I suspect now to be Sunbury kangaroos. In saying that though my understanding was that he was more frustrated he hadn’t been informed by Romsey or consulted on the possible changes to the structure that had him sign in the first place.

The uniqueness of this situation is that we had sourced further information as to what other forwards were in the market or had been available to talk to and it soon become apparent that 2 of these lads at some stage made it clear they wished to be the only isolated forward deep in the 50. With this information put into contrast we soon made the decision that it didn't fit the structure we desired, hence we didn’t proceed further in talks or negotiations.

However, I will watch with great interest as to how this transpires further with Romsey and these 3 forwards.

 

[Wastin time]

Ag

Change the date for clearances to being able to be lodged from November 1st to fall into line with recruiting and pre-season's kicking off.

Agree with Doona. As a new coach in the system it is quite difficult to set match set-ups & game plans , when players brought into the club , can't be officially signed-sealed-committed till February .
Already had 2 guys , who agreed to terms, walk for a little more $$.
But if we'd been able to lock them in early , this problem wouldn't exist.
Footy clubs are a business , with many issues surrounding - especially Budgets to meet.
Hard to put things into place when clearances don't begin till 8 weeks before rd1.

 

[Skipper1966]

I must agree with Doona
In regards to clearances as a coach it would be great to have clearances open on Nov 1 this would stop the player shopping himself around to much and also locking that player away early
As we know trying to get a commitment out of some players can be a difficult and sometimes frustrating experience
My advice is if the player or players you are trying to sign are putting you and your club off for too long just move on

 

[Doona2]

This has been a bug bear of mine for a decade or so as like every other club/coach/league, I too have experienced plenty of "about faces" between October/November and the transfer window opening over the years.

Whilst I fully understand it is an AFL thing (the official transfer dates), with tonight being our AGM is it too late for someone to possibly table our interest in lobbying other leagues and making a recommendation to the AFL to please consider changing the timeline in the not too distant future?

I know we have guys from many other leagues visit our pages, and I'd be astounded if this didn't grow legs as it makes perfect sense in this day of contracts, business plans, budgets etc etc even at our basic district level of football