RDFL 2014 Thread

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Havent posted for ages but this discussion has brought me out of hibernation it seems a few of you are taking this topic in isolation UNLESS AFL vic brings in a state wide system it wont work. We are not competeing only against other RDFL clubs for player retention and recruiting we are competing against the EDF, Ball FL, Ben FL, NFL and other neighboring leagues. So to bring in a points system in isolation may even up the league and make it easier for lazy club commitees but it will definately weaken the league.

Perhaps if the lazy committee members got a lazy $1000 per week it might be ok
Or do we have a system that may not retain all the big $$$$ players but retain local product
Why don't you then if you have all the answers put out some clues on how these clubs can attain and retain these sponsors in towns that are struggling perhaps the$$$$ saved by a new system can go back into local kids who are struggling instead of some player who turns up to train once a week play and take 16,000 from our small towns coffers

 

[Truetoform]

Spotted some ex Lancefield premiership players in that list who left for bigger $. Also spotted ex Lancefield premiership players in this years Grand Final (Caton, Ruffell etc) who also left for better pay packets. Not having a go at any of them, but clubs in this league are very cannibalistic in the way stronger clubs pick off other clubs better players. Good luck to the players but the stronger clubs are causing over inflation of player wages.

Think you will find they played for both clubs as juniors and don't think you will find one certain player left for money more the way he was treated

 

[Truetoform]

Perhaps if the lazy committee members got a lazy $1000 per week it might be ok
Or do we have a system that may not retain all the big $$$$ players but retain local product
Why don't you then if you have all the answers put out some clues on how these clubs can attain and retain these sponsors in towns that are struggling perhaps the$$$$ saved by a new system can go back into local kids who are struggling instead of some player who turns up to train once a week play and take 16,000 from our small towns coffers

Some actually go to work to earn that and do the committee work as a voluntary thing .

 

[Halffullonfence]

Perhaps if the lazy committee members got a lazy $1000 per week it might be ok
Or do we have a system that may not retain all the big $$$$ players but retain local product
Why don't you then if you have all the answers put out some clues on how these clubs can attain and retain these sponsors in towns that are struggling perhaps the$$$$ saved by a new system can go back into local kids who are struggling instead of some player who turns up to train once a week play and take 16,000 from our small towns coffers

So the big question now is how do you stop the other leagues from coming in and out bidding the local products???? As said earlier if WE in isolation bring in a points system the standard will drop the good local players will want to test themselves and leave anyway so the "its to hard to compete" clubs will get a chance to become competitive than those that go outside the box to become strong. Get over the players who turn up for $$$$ it will always happen, always ways around rules just ask "Demetriou" if a club can sustain this good luck to em, if they cant its bad management and should be held accountable by the local community.

 

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So the big question now is how do you stop the other leagues from coming in and out bidding the local products???? As said earlier if WE in isolation bring in a points system the standard will drop the good local players will want to test themselves and leave anyway so the "its to hard to compete" clubs will get a chance to become competitive than those that go outside the box to become strong. Get over the players who turn up for $$$$ it will always happen, always ways around rules just ask "Demetriou" if a club can sustain this good luck to em, if they cant its bad management and should be held accountable by the local community.

Again poor management of community funds then perhaps they can be accountable for that
Understand it's a tuffy and rules are broken but paying what we do is bracking the the rules as you said it's the clubs executives that eventually are accountable
Go enjoy your footy
A cold beer , pie and watching the lads is still enjoyable

 

[Halffullonfence]

Again poor management of community funds then perhaps they can be accountable for that
Understand it's a tuffy and rules are broken but paying what we do is bracking the the rules as you said it's the clubs executives that eventually are accountable
Go enjoy your footy
A cold beer , pie and watching the lads is still enjoyable

What rules and how???

 

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What rules and how???

Think about it

 

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Any way time to moe on we all have our opinions
That's why it's a forum
No pun ment

 

[matt_nicholls]

I think people are forgetting what happened in the old RDFL days.

There were five or six really strong teams in division one and a few that struggled to compete.

In the second division, winning the grand final would be bittersweet as it meant a promotion and the second division winners were generally a class below the div 1 teams. Some clubs actually refused promotions and it became a farce.

I'm not against progression, but I've seen no real evidence that the EDFL, Northern FL and WRFL systems work brilliantly. Yes, they give many clubs a chance to be competitive, but who wants to win a division 3 premiership?

Some of those div 3 clubs have to pay big money to ordinary players, because no one wants to play div 3 or div 2.

I'm all for trying to make the competition as great as possible, but there are some key lessons to be learnt from the past. I'd stick with the current system and clubs for the next five years and see what happens.

I personally think the dominance of Riddell, Romsey, Diggers etc is down to good management and a desire to win. You have to be ruthless in football some times and the likes of Lancefield, Woodend, Macedon, Kilmore have sometimes been guilty of trying to run a social club and not a football club.

Clubs have to be responsible, for sure, and not overspend what they collect in revenue, but they also have to realise that winning equals money. If you're successful, the crowds will come and the sponsors will join them. The bar takings also go up after a win. If you lose games then the revenue drops.

Riddell has done an excellent job getting the balancing act right this decade. Maybe some clubs should contact the Bombers and ask for some pointers.

 

[Doona2]

doona i tried to reply on the other site i think you got it wrong. i wasnt having a go but it seems you still have strong feelings for kilmore hhow did the meet the coachs night go last night.

Bugger me, 2 days of no Big Footy and I'm 2-3 pages behind ha ha!!!

Firstly Cal, you're right I do (did) see Kilmore as the place I wanted to be involved in for 3-4 years actively and then have a home to take the kids and be comfortable supporting the club in the town we've chosen to raise our family. Nevermind these things happen

I've previously said I didn't re-apply due to a few things that my nearest and dearest are aware of, and purely coz my circle of contacts wouldn't play for Kilmore (1.) coz it was Kilmore and (2.) due to the my/our (committee included) inability to entice local sponsors, retain/recruit local players and local interest.
I did the noble thing and took a "hit" and the blame for these area's as I've always stated a coach has to be able to influence them and I woulda only been selfish wanting to again just coz I like the kids and enjoy coaching. We didn't win a game, had over 20 players from the senior list of 2012 leave and it was obvious at a chat following Rd.18 I was no hope anyway.

Look at what jarrad and Wally have done in a month, all of a sudden Kilmore is being talked about as real improvers, and already it's been eluded in the local paper that there's been a shift in "culture" which is fantastic I'm well of aware of the calibre of their recruits, Harrison and Webb I've seen them play, and people who's opinion I rate talk highly of the other recruits.

On the raging topic, there's no need to change to a points system. It's up to the clubs to get better at what they do and not point the finger at others. We can all get better how we operate onfield and off, and how we are perceived as a club to players and a business to sponsors.

Same as coaching, where quite often the best candidates don't have the desire, the time or the courage to put their head on the block so to speak - committee's quite often suffer the same fate. Our town is a perfect example. Plenty have opinions on what needs to be done but only few are prepared to put their hand up and have a go.

Hang on a minute, maybe now that it's obvious I can't coach perhaps a career as a committee person/admin type dude could be a goer .....

 

[Doona2]

heard today that the young guy Travis that did our 3rds has moved on to anew club. also a new Full forward is cloes to simging which is good news.

Have got to know "young" Travis a bit over the past 2-3 years and good luck to him I say, he's a good bloke has paid his due's so to speak and now has an official role at senior level

As for the full forward, if it's Sam Rexhepi that I hinted it might be back on the old thread then he'll be alright don't worry about that. He kicked 60 at my old mob (Yea) this year when I think they won 3 games and drew one

 

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So the big question now is how do you stop the other leagues from coming in and out bidding the local products???? As said earlier if WE in isolation bring in a points system the standard will drop the good local players will want to test themselves and leave anyway so the "its to hard to compete" clubs will get a chance to become competitive than those that go outside the box to become strong. Get over the players who turn up for $$$$ it will always happen, always ways around rules just ask "Demetriou" if a club can sustain this good luck to em, if they cant its bad management and should be held accountable by the local community.

The point system has nothing to do with money. You can pay as much as you like to who ever you like. It is about playing locals. You can pay them nothing or pay them $10,000 each a game. It's is all about where they come from local, other sides, other leagues.

 

[oneeyedblue]

I am involved in one of these clubs and can tell you 80% of the team would not play if there is no pay agree a good structure is important to sustain this but in country areas it's tuff to maintain to much pressure on the community see many of these clubs have backers and gtee u that if heskeet had a footy team the backrs and the money would win flags
This conversation was in regards to a possible alternative to equalise the comp yes could still spend as much as they like but must play locals

What club you are involved with.?

 

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What club you are involved with.?

Finished in the top 4
Who are you involved with starts with r ???

 

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The point system has nothing to do with money. You can pay as much as you like to who ever you like. It is about playing locals. You can pay them nothing or pay them $10,000 each a game. It's is all about where they come from local, other sides, other leagues.

Thank The Lord some one gets it
It's about equalisation

 

[ROOTA#6]

Thank The Lord some one gets it
It's about equalisation

And it don't work

 

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And it don't work

And horseless carriages are a stupid idea, the earth is flat and the moon is made of green cheese.

 

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Hey orange ump was that you in a strange outfit roaming around Tiger town on the weekend.??

 

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And it don't work

Why not
What's your apperatice modem re this not working
Ow sorry why it not work

 

[ROOTA#6]

Why not
What's your apperatice modem re this not working
Ow sorry why it not work

Have played in a league that has had a points system for a few years now and it is evidence that it does not even things up. The fact is that clubs can spend whatever they like on players under these systems so the financially strong clubs still have the advantage. An example of this was that an opposition club of ours was very shrewd. They cherry picked the previous years league medalist and a couple of other gun player from clubs within the league. It cost them big points due to recruiting from within the league but they were happy to do this as it strengthened them and weakended opposition. They did that without exceeding their points allocation. They were able to get this done also dueto the fact that there was no restriction on spending. They could offer these blokes more than their home clubs could and put together deals that they really couldn't say no too

 

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Have played in a league that has had a points system for a few years now and it is evidence that it does not even things up. The fact is that clubs can spend whatever they like on players under these systems so the financially strong clubs still have the advantage. An example of this was that an opposition club of ours was very shrewd. They cherry picked the previous years league medalist and a couple of other gun player from clubs within the league. It cost them big points due to recruiting from within the league but they were happy to do this as it strengthened them and weakended opposition. They did that without exceeding their points allocation. They were able to get this done also dueto the fact that there was no restriction on spending. They could offer these blokes more than their home clubs could and put together deals that they really couldn't say no too

What that means is that the system needs to be tweaked. either increase points allocated to players form within your

league or decrease points allocated to each club.
The current no point system as been in existence for many years. New systems need to be adjusted if the need arises.
If things are to change people need to work at it. Not just say it's too hard if the the league continues as it is it WILL fall over

 

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Have played in a league that has had a points system for a few years now and it is evidence that it does not even things up. The fact is that clubs can spend whatever they like on players under these systems so the financially strong clubs still have the advantage. An example of this was that an opposition club of ours was very shrewd. They cherry picked the previous years league medalist and a couple of other gun player from clubs within the league. It cost them big points due to recruiting from within the league but they were happy to do this as it strengthened them and weakended opposition. They did that without exceeding their points allocation. They were able to get this done also dueto the fact that there was no restriction on spending. They could offer these blokes more than their home clubs could and put together deals that they really couldn't say no too

What team

What are you afraid off

Change is good

 

[ROOTA#6]

What team

What are you afraid off

Change is good

Change is only good if you put the work in to give it the best chance of success. Change for the sake of change is destined to fail

 

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What that means is that the system needs to be tweaked. either increase points allocated to players form within your

league or decrease points allocated to each club.
The current no point system as been in existence for many years. New systems need to be adjusted if the need arises.
If things are to change people need to work at it. Not just say it's too hard if the the league continues as it is it WILL fall over

Point system tweaked great option see clubs still need to work hard etc but lines are drawn
The current system is out of controll
That's why the afl has salary cap drafts etc
A even comp is a supported one

 

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Bloody spell correct