RDFL 2014 Thread

[Doona2]

So... Not a flash round of games on paper this week.. Which game are you looking forward to?

Toss of the coin for me, Kilmore v Rockbank or Woodend v Broadford

 

[Keston]

So... Not a flash round of games on paper this week.. Which game are you looking forward to?

Here goes
Broadford by 22 over woodend
Digger by 56 over wallan
In form rockbank by 61 over kilmore
Sunbury by 52 over lancefield
Romsey by 110 over Melton
Riddell by 88 over macedon

 

[oneeyedblue]

How many games do you go to at Lancefield over the course of the season to qualify your comment that the surface is slippery all year round? Also, I think you will find most grounds would have been in ordinary condition last weekend after the heavy rains late in the week. Was it the slippery conditions in the last quarter at Lancefield that cost you in the big one in 2012?

Well I have lived in the area all of my life, played football for a long time all in this league. I have been to more matches at TUMBLEWEED TOWN than you have had hot breakys, so I think I might have an idea of what the ground surface is and has been for a very long time CRAP.
We all know the answer to your last stupid no brain question.

 

[Keston]

How good is does the atmosphere look at the origin game nsw v qld

Go blues

 

[oneeyedblue]

Woodend by 25
Diggers by 70
Rockbank by 35
Sunbury by 100 plus over a very ordinary Lancefield
Romsey by lots
Riddell by a new winning record

 

[Blueboy67]

Well I have lived in the area all of my life, played football for a long time all in this league. I have been to more matches at TUMBLEWEED TOWN than you have had hot breakys, so I think I might have an idea of what the ground surface is and has been for a very long time CRAP.
We all know the answer to your last stupid no brain question.

Thanks for your unbiased and informative response. For the uninformed, what was the answer to the stupid, no brain question?

 

[norman18]

How many games do you go to at Lancefield over the course of the season to qualify your comment that the surface is slippery all year round? Also, I think you will find most grounds would have been in ordinary condition last weekend after the heavy rains late in the week. Was it the slippery conditions in the last quarter at Lancefield that cost you in the big one in 2012?

Not at all..it was the shin splints from the hard ground and the hot sun in their eyes...lol.

 

[Cal Naughton Jnr]

And so many sitting on the fence not willing to put their hand out to offer help to the club they all say they have a interest in ( apparently only when things like last night happen ) do we now see them..
I've personally asked people of yester year to return and help
( you being one of them )
But for what ever reason my calls for help have gone unheard..
So please if people really care about the past and the future of the BFNC where ever they might play
Then get off ya a$$ and put your hand up to help
And not just turn up around the club because there is talk of moving leagues

cant believe this if not many outsiders or life membes turned up then the ones who did should be thakned not have there turn up questiond

 

[Cal Naughton Jnr]

I am tipping wallan can bounce back this week against Digers rest in the other matches i will go Romsey Sunbury Kanagroos Riddell Broadford and Rockbank

 

[Doona2]

cant believe this if not many outsiders or life membes turned up then the ones who did should be thakned not have there turn up questiond

In hindsight it doesn't really matter who did or didn't front Cal, time evolves and those who want to get onboard as push to move (or to stay) will decide if they have the time/interst to devote. The club needs to secure themselves a sustainable future and will now investiagte how best to achieve that so we all just have to wish them well. Time for me to not get wound up and comment anymore as in hindsight and after reading previous posts, if I can't commit then there was no point rolling up on a Tuesday night.

On a sidenote to the whole league switch thing, just read this one on the Ballarat FL thread.

"Even so its been almost a decade since Melton last flag and 8 years since they have played finals. Melton South have mostly been irrelevant and Darley create a buzz but always under achieve. If Sunbury were to leave there is really not a whole lot that the Eastern block teams are offering the Ballarat League and probably makes most sense for Melton, South, Darley and Bacchus to break away and re-join the Riddell league and then the Ballarat can go back to its roots and either join up with the CHFL and create 2 divisions or recruit some stronger CHFL teams into the BFL."

Correct me if Im wrong but is there a real East/West thing happening over there? If the Ballarat based clubs don't want them then surely the Riddell DFL should/could say "we will" ....

Just a thought, perhaps you could make it that if you win a divvie 2 title you're not forced to go up if you dont want to, but if you win two in a row you must.

Div.1
Riddell
Romsey
Sunbury Kanga's
Diggers Rest
Rupertswood
Sunbury Lions
Melton South
Melton
Darley
Bacchus Marsh

Div.2
Rockbank
Melton Centrals
Macedon
Lancefield
Woodend
Wallan
Kilmore
Broadford (if they were to remain)

With 2 suburbs bobbing up along the Hume south of Wallan (Beveridge/Kalkallo) and also out Melton way, within no time Auskick Centres will be there which will turn into junior then senior clubs which could mean a lot of potential new clubs within 5-6 years ..... and surely East Sunbury/Rolling Meadows must be re-thinking the EDFL thing?

 

[Itsmyshow]

In hindsight it doesn't really matter who did or didn't front Cal, time evolves and those who want to get onboard as push to move (or to stay) will decide if they have the time/interst to devote. The club needs to secure themselves a sustainable future and will now investiagte how best to achieve that so we all just have to wish them well. Time for me to not get wound up and comment anymore as in hindsight and after reading previous posts, if I can't commit then there was no point rolling up on a Tuesday night.

On a sidenote to the whole league switch thing, just read this one on the Ballarat FL thread.

"Even so its been almost a decade since Melton last flag and 8 years since they have played finals. Melton South have mostly been irrelevant and Darley create a buzz but always under achieve. If Sunbury were to leave there is really not a whole lot that the Eastern block teams are offering the Ballarat League and probably makes most sense for Melton, South, Darley and Bacchus to break away and re-join the Riddell league and then the Ballarat can go back to its roots and either join up with the CHFL and create 2 divisions or recruit some stronger CHFL teams into the BFL."

Correct me if Im wrong but is there a real East/West thing happening over there? If the Ballarat based clubs don't want them then surely the Riddell DFL should/could say "we will" ....

Just a thought, perhaps you could make it that if you win a divvie 2 title you're not forced to go up if you dont want to, but if you win two in a row you must.

Div.1
Riddell
Romsey
Sunbury Kanga's
Diggers Rest
Rupertswood
Sunbury Lions
Melton South
Melton
Darley
Bacchus Marsh

Div.2
Rockbank
Melton Centrals
Macedon
Lancefield
Woodend
Wallan
Kilmore
Broadford (if they were to remain)

With 2 suburbs bobbing up along the Hume south of Wallan (Beveridge/Kalkallo) and also out Melton way, within no time Auskick Centres will be there which will turn into junior then senior clubs which could mean a lot of potential new clubs within 5-6 years ..... and surely East Sunbury/Rolling Meadows must be re-thinking the EDFL thing?

It's an interesting thought, my thoughts the other night in regards to the growth areas was more an East/West split. But haven't thought about it in detail.

I think that would possibly be an interesting concept though.

 

[Wild Bill]

In hindsight it doesn't really matter who did or didn't front Cal, time evolves and those who want to get onboard as push to move (or to stay) will decide if they have the time/interst to devote. The club needs to secure themselves a sustainable future and will now investiagte how best to achieve that so we all just have to wish them well. Time for me to not get wound up and comment anymore as in hindsight and after reading previous posts, if I can't commit then there was no point rolling up on a Tuesday night.

On a sidenote to the whole league switch thing, just read this one on the Ballarat FL thread.

"Even so its been almost a decade since Melton last flag and 8 years since they have played finals. Melton South have mostly been irrelevant and Darley create a buzz but always under achieve. If Sunbury were to leave there is really not a whole lot that the Eastern block teams are offering the Ballarat League and probably makes most sense for Melton, South, Darley and Bacchus to break away and re-join the Riddell league and then the Ballarat can go back to its roots and either join up with the CHFL and create 2 divisions or recruit some stronger CHFL teams into the BFL."

Correct me if Im wrong but is there a real East/West thing happening over there? If the Ballarat based clubs don't want them then surely the Riddell DFL should/could say "we will" ....

Just a thought, perhaps you could make it that if you win a divvie 2 title you're not forced to go up if you dont want to, but if you win two in a row you must.

Div.1
Riddell
Romsey
Sunbury Kanga's
Diggers Rest
Rupertswood
Sunbury Lions
Melton South
Melton
Darley
Bacchus Marsh

Div.2
Rockbank
Melton Centrals
Macedon
Lancefield
Woodend
Wallan
Kilmore
Broadford (if they were to remain)

With 2 suburbs bobbing up along the Hume south of Wallan (Beveridge/Kalkallo) and also out Melton way, within no time Auskick Centres will be there which will turn into junior then senior clubs which could mean a lot of potential new clubs within 5-6 years ..... and surely East Sunbury/Rolling Meadows must be re-thinking the EDFL thing?

Would be interesting to see of Gissy would also be interested in joining Div 1. Some good old rivalries , aligned juniors and much bigger crowds would have to be appealing.

 

[Doona2]

Would be interesting to see of Gissy would also be interested in joining Div 1. Some good old rivalries , aligned juniors and much bigger crowds would have to be appealing.

Another thing that I think goes unnoticed by many is the amount of bloody handy RDFL juniors that Beats and co. give opportunities to at under age level that are lost to the comp once they hit 3rds.

Happened again this year in the Ballarat v RIDDELL 18s game where former reps from some RDFL junior clubs were really good representing the Ballarat FL.

Be nice to one day see the comp fully benefit from their development program's at senior level too.

 

[matt_nicholls]

If we returned to the former RDFL days and those current Ballarat league clubs came back to the comp, as well as perhaps Gisborne, then we would just have the same problems we did way back then.

I haven't seen any of the Ballarat sides play for several years, but Gisborne would beat Romsey quite comfortably if they were to play tomorrow. That's with Gisborne in the Bendigo league.

Put Gisborne back into the RDFL and their crowds probably double and interest peaks because they become relevant to the community again. The gap would only widen between the likes of Gisborne and the current top tier RDFL clubs. I imagine the same would happen with the Ballarat league clubs.

There is no golden solution to this problem.

It is quite possible (and I know there have been some serious discussions in Gisborne about this) that there could be a second Gisborne football club in the next decade.

The only scenario I could see working would be this:

Div 1:
Melton
Melton South
Bacchus Marsh
Darley
Sunbury Lions
Gisborne
Kyneton
TBA (need eight clubs)

Div 2:
Current RDFL clubs (12 if Broadford goes)

An 8-12 scenario would be better, IMO.

Not sure where you would source the eighth club from for division one. You could put the offer to the likes of Riddell and Romsey and the Kangas, but I'd doubt they would jump at it.

As for promotion relegation, I think it would be impossible to have a black and white system. This is what killed the comp last time as Div 2 winners just dreaded going up as they would be uncompetitive.

 

[Doona2]

As for promotion relegation, I think it would be impossible to have a black and white system. This is what killed the comp last time as Div 2 winners just dreaded going up as they would be uncompetitive.

Spot on, happens in a lot of Melbourne comps where clubs win flags and then when they have to go up they suffer massive player exodus'

 

[ChrisThaLedg]

Leave the competition as it is? Gisborne enjoy the success and competition in the Bendigo league.. I think they are doing the Macedon Ranges community proud by sticking it to the proud Bendigo clubs.. I'm not a personal fan of the two Division system.. it may work in Melbourne, but I don't think we can do it here.. the rivalries here are fantastic.. it would be handy to have the addition of the Sunbury Lions and really build a strong connection with four clubs in that region.. welcome over Melton South and Darley.. another four good rivarlies in the Western region.. we have three great rivalries in the Eastern region and five solid rivalries in the corridor.. I may be nieve but I believe this competition has the ability to build and grow with the current existing teams.. outside Romsey who appear unbeatable, but are beatable by their day, and Kilmore who have yet to win a game, but the competition as a whole is quite even with plenty more twists and turns in this one..

 

[the big dog 23]

If we returned to the former RDFL days and those current Ballarat league clubs came back to the comp, as well as perhaps Gisborne, then we would just have the same problems we did way back then.

I haven't seen any of the Ballarat sides play for several years, but Gisborne would beat Romsey quite comfortably if they were to play tomorrow. That's with Gisborne in the Bendigo league.

Put Gisborne back into the RDFL and their crowds probably double and interest peaks because they become relevant to the community again. The gap would only widen between the likes of Gisborne and the current top tier RDFL clubs. I imagine the same would happen with the Ballarat league clubs.

There is no golden solution to this problem.

It is quite possible (and I know there have been some serious discussions in Gisborne about this) that there could be a second Gisborne football club in the next decade.

The only scenario I could see working would be this:

Div 1:
Melton
Melton South
Bacchus Marsh
Darley
Sunbury Lions
Gisborne
Kyneton
TBA (need eight clubs)

Div 2:
Current RDFL clubs (12 if Broadford goes)

An 8-12 scenario would be better, IMO.

Not sure where you would source the eighth club from for division one. You could put the offer to the likes of Riddell and Romsey and the Kangas, but I'd doubt they would jump at it.

As for promotion relegation, I think it would be impossible to have a black and white system. This is what killed the comp last time as Div 2 winners just dreaded going up as they would be uncompetitive.

Would the touted points system bring the sunbury's and Gisborne's back enough for the smaller clubs to compete??

 

[Keston]

Would the touted points system bring the sunbury's and Gisborne's back enough for the smaller clubs to compete??

Will find out next year

 

[the big dog 23]

Will find out next year

I think you would still have a problem in that the number quality of the kids the bigger clubs produce would be higher than the smaller clubs and I would expect your homegrown kids that come through to play seniors would have a fairly low points rating..

 

[Keston]

Agre

I think you would still have a problem in that the number quality of the kids the bigger clubs produce would be higher than the smaller clubs and I would expect your homegrown kids that come through to play seniors would have a fairly low points rating..

agree but believe if clubs are more country than metro etc etc other scenarios will decide how many points you start with ie if club has no 18s or 16 s or not located close to satellite city ie sunbury etc etc

 

[Doona2]

Agre

agree but believe if clubs are more country than metro etc etc other scenarios will decide how many points you start with ie if club has no 18s or 16 s or not located close to satellite city ie sunbury etc etc

Hypothetically speaking would this mean under age recruiting comes into vogue? At what age would "club junior" come up for consideration, 16's or 18's? Pretty tempting to lure handy 18 year olds across with a free rego/boots etc if it meant the year after they'd be deemed a "one pointer".

Points system has its pro's and con's. Personally I reckon for a club like Riddell who's list is worth far more than it probably pays it would be affected, and I reckon club's who can provide employment as opposed to the bull$hit dollars some "spuds" are getting these days shouldn't have to be disadvantaged because they didn't play juniors there yet the club as a whole has great business/networking qualities.

Comes down to good administration, planning and running your clubs like a business. As much as I hate typing that it's the way even pox level football is heading.

 

[Keston]

Hypothetically speaking would this mean under age recruiting comes into vogue? At what age would "club junior" come up for consideration, 16's or 18's? Pretty tempting to lure handy 18 year olds across with a free rego/boots etc if it meant the year after they'd be deemed a "one pointer".

Points system has its pro's and con's. Personally I reckon for a club like Riddell who's list is worth far more than it probably pays it would be affected, and I reckon club's who can provide employment as opposed to the bull$hit dollars some "spuds" are getting these days shouldn't have to be disadvantaged because they didn't play juniors there yet the club as a whole has great business/networking qualities.

Comes down to good administration, planning and running your clubs like a business. As much as I hate typing that it's the way even pox level football is heading.

You would think it would be based on your junior club
If your a gun on big $$$ worth a point to play at home club would be interesting to see what you attract $$$ also club like ruppo with there abundance of kids would be laughing

 

[Dent]

O

You would think it would be based on your junior club
If your a gun on big $$$ worth a point to play at home club would be interesting to see what you attract $$$ also club like ruppo with there abundance of kids would be laughing

Just for the sake of the argument only one of Rupo's senior 22 last week was not a Rupo junior.

 

[slyone]

If we returned to the former RDFL days and those current Ballarat league clubs came back to the comp, as well as perhaps Gisborne, then we would just have the same problems we did way back then.

I haven't seen any of the Ballarat sides play for several years, but Gisborne would beat Romsey quite comfortably if they were to play tomorrow. That's with Gisborne in the Bendigo league.

Put Gisborne back into the RDFL and their crowds probably double and interest peaks because they become relevant to the community again. The gap would only widen between the likes of Gisborne and the current top tier RDFL clubs. I imagine the same would happen with the Ballarat league clubs.

There is no golden solution to this problem.

It is quite possible (and I know there have been some serious discussions in Gisborne about this) that there could be a second Gisborne football club in the next decade.

The only scenario I could see working would be this:

Div 1:
Melton
Melton South
Bacchus Marsh
Darley
Sunbury Lions
Gisborne
Kyneton
TBA (need eight clubs)

Div 2:
Current RDFL clubs (12 if Broadford goes)

An 8-12 scenario would be better, IMO.

Not sure where you would source the eighth club from for division one. You could put the offer to the likes of Riddell and Romsey and the Kangas, but I'd doubt they would jump at it.

As for promotion relegation, I think it would be impossible to have a black and white system. This is what killed the comp last time as Div 2 winners just dreaded going up as they would be uncompetitive.

G'day Matthew, have you seen Romsey play a game this season

 

[matt_nicholls]

G'day Matthew, have you seen Romsey play a game this season

Only online, Sly.