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Thanks Hawker and thanks for your input also Pickles, here's my answers to the proposed questions.......

Q: We both think Riddell are beatable and so does IMS, how do you percieve them to be this year compared to the last two?

Harry's Answer:

They are not the side they were over the last two years, imo. As Pickles stated the last 2 years they had major abll winners and the finishing power of James, this year they share the ball around a lot more. Over the last couple of years they have had one major direction and that was go straight to Lee James. This year without him they have had to adapt to finding alternative routes to goal. Having said that I guess they are a better "team" this year but not a better side, if you can understand what I mean.

Q: What are there weakness?

Harry's Answer:

As much as it is their strength, I think their forward line can be made vulnerable. If the opposition has a good defence, which all of the other top sides do, except maybe Diggers with the exception of Janner (I'm a big wrap for him), then Riddell's onballers have to carry the ball further into attack thus flooding their own forward area. This is where a good defending rebound can hurt them. If the half backs get their hands on the ball and can run it in conjuntion with the midfielders, the Riddell onballers all of a sudden are covering a lot more ground. The bonus for Riddell is that their forward line is very difficult to stop as they're fast and strong.

Q: What is the there most vulnerable aspect?

Harry's Answer:

I think their most vulnerable aspect is as stated above their forward line, yet also their half back line. At present their onballers deliver the ball to the forward line from the middle of the ground about 70-80 metres out. This then enables them to drop back and create a wall across the middle of the ground to prevent the rebound attack. When the ball does rebound out they are able to get numbers as far back as the half back line because their opponents are fighting for the ball in the Riddell attacking zone making them loose players.

Q: The player who holds they key, to their three peat?

Whilst I think Belville will win the Bowen, I don't quite think he is the key, he's pivotal but not the key. I think Petran or Allen are the keys. If these guys are injured (not trying to mozz them) or are well held then the scoring needs to be done by Wadden and Besanko, both more than capable. The real key, imo, Wadden. This guy has the ability to change a game with his own boot. Not many players can do that these days.


Q: Is Petran more vital this year than what Lee has been over the last two?

Harry's Answer:

In short no. The reason being that Riddell used Lee James more than they use Petran. Lee James kicked hauls of 100 goals. Petran is on 29. Michael Allen is on 50.


Q: Who has a better chance of beating them?

Harry's Answer:

It will depend on the day. But I think that either Romsey (not based on my bias) because they have a fast running side and Steve Burlak is on fire in front of goal. Romsey also have a very strong back line. Or Woodend. Woodend have a high quality mid-field that play a similar brand to Riddell. So it would in turn become a battle of the backlines as to who can hold the fort.

Hope that answers your questions Hawker. Hard hitting indeed. Just what Harry thrives on:thumbsu::D:thumbsu::D




Woodend/Hesket16 13 3 1596 814
Sunbury Kangaroos 16 13 3 1355 868
Romsey 16 12 4 1391 955
Diggers Rest16 8 8 1181 953

Your posts are often a great read and i have to admit you are usually on the money but i do have to point out that you question Diggers rests defence but if you look at the above table and take into account the 4 teams run home i think you have very much underestimated diggers rest defence. Janner is a gun but dont underestimate underwood , page , thompson , hildo and b.green . A very solid back 6 that is often underestimated in my opinion..
 
Tempting........ Let me ponder that......... OK you're on, they'll get beaten this week:D

Sorry to disappoint Harry but the "Talisman" (being yours truly) will be there this weekend and if the games I've been to this year are any indication, Riddell should prevail. :thumbsu:

This being due to the fact that I've been to 3 games this year; Macedon @ Riddell (140 point win), Sunbury Kangas @ Riddell (118 point win) and Macedon again @ Macedon (93 points in the wet) :eek:

This may be my last game I can get to before the finals, so if there is a game that they may well drop before the end of the year, I would venture a guess to suggest Sunbury @ Boardman. :confused: But on what I've seen this year, granted that it hasn't been a lot, I can't see too many sides compete if they happen to fire up.

Just hoping for a better game this time around than those I've been to already this season!! :thumbsu:
 
Woodend/Hesket16 13 3 1596 814
Sunbury Kangaroos 16 13 3 1355 868
Romsey 16 12 4 1391 955
Diggers Rest16 8 8 1181 953

Your posts are often a great read and i have to admit you are usually on the money but i do have to point out that you question Diggers rests defence but if you look at the above table and take into account the 4 teams run home i think you have very much underestimated diggers rest defence. Janner is a gun but dont underestimate underwood , page , thompson , hildo and b.green . A very solid back 6 that is often underestimated in my opinion..

A point very well made Billylid and some good evidence to back it up with as well. :thumbsu:
When you look at the points kicked against they stand up pretty well. I guess I made the statement based on what I've seen of them, albeit I have only seen them against Romsey and Romsey won one of the games by 7 goals , which was Digger's biggest loss for the year, the other by 17 points. Upon reflection they have been pretty good.
 

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This being due to the fact that I've been to 3 games this year; Macedon @ Riddell (140 point win), Sunbury Kangas @ Riddell (118 point win) and Macedon again @ Macedon (93 points in the wet) :eek:

Not a real guide Dirty by going to the Macedon games, they did lose to rockbank. You might have been better off going to the woodend, kilmore V riddel games to get a better indication. Although Riddel will be very tough to beat come finals
 
Tempting........ Let me ponder that......... OK you're on, they'll get beaten this week:D

Harry you may be might be right, but what if Riddell loose the next two games will the ladder change ?? Dont think they can loose top spot but wouldnt that make it interesting. Riddell rest a few or some are injured could spice the finals up footballs a funny game. I know Romsey and Sunbury would love a win against them. Can Woodend/Sunbury get Top spot if they win the last two well enough ?? Just a little something to talk or think about. What about the twos the ladder position certainly isnt settled there either. HERE COME THE FINALS MAY THE BEST TEAM WIN
 
Harry you may be might be right, but what if Riddell loose the next two games will the ladder change ?? Dont think they can loose top spot but wouldnt that make it interesting. Riddell rest a few or some are injured could spice the finals up footballs a funny game. I know Romsey and Sunbury would love a win against them. Can Woodend/Sunbury get Top spot if they win the last two well enough ?? Just a little something to talk or think about. What about the twos the ladder position certainly isnt settled there either. HERE COME THE FINALS MAY THE BEST TEAM WIN

im quite sure that the 2's ladder wont change, WH plays rockbank and then romsey, plus if they do drop a game a massive % at the moment shouldnt see them slip at all. i think that its only diggers who can steal top spot, but im sure that wont happen, having looked at WH record over the year- they seem quite potent- most points for and least points against.
dose anyone know who has been playing for the WH 2's and playing well, it must be hard to get a jurnsey in the WH 1's, signs of a strong club with plenty of depth with all grades in the top 2
 
Harry you may be might be right, but what if Riddell loose the next two games will the ladder change ?? Dont think they can loose top spot but wouldnt that make it interesting. Riddell rest a few or some are injured could spice the finals up footballs a funny game. I know Romsey and Sunbury would love a win against them. Can Woodend/Sunbury get Top spot if they win the last two well enough ?? Just a little something to talk or think about. What about the twos the ladder position certainly isnt settled there either. HERE COME THE FINALS MAY THE BEST TEAM WIN

The only way Riddell could lose top spot is if they lose the next two games by a reasonable margin and Woodend win both of their next two games by a large margin. There is 8 points and 34.54% difference between the two sides. As far as Sunbury is concerned they would also need to rely on Riddell getting smashed in the next two weeks and they would have to win by both games by about 150 points as there is 8 points and 74.5% difference there. But you're definately right Ballsy, footy is a funny game and can change with the bounce of a ball!! The finals this year will be one to remember!!
 
Just thought I would let you all know, Wallan had a meeting last night about where the club was heading and it was decided that we would not look at returning to the RDFL.
 
Just thought I would let you all know, Wallan had a meeting last night about where the club was heading and it was decided that we would not look at returning to the RDFL.

Interesting decision... Could it be the beginning of the end of this once proud club?
 
im quite sure that the 2's ladder wont change, WH plays rockbank and then romsey, plus if they do drop a game a massive % at the moment shouldnt see them slip at all. i think that its only diggers who can steal top spot, but im sure that wont happen, having looked at WH record over the year- they seem quite potent- most points for and least points against.

The top 2 spots may not change but 3rd can go to anybody, romsey now sit 3rd and play riddell and woodend, riddell sitting 4th play romsey then the Roos, Sunbury 5th play lancefeild then riddell. Romsey are 1 game and percentage up from both sides
 
Just thought I would let you all know, Wallan had a meeting last night about where the club was heading and it was decided that we would not look at returning to the RDFL.


Must enjoy being the wooping boys of the comp every week! Can't find the advantage of staying in something that is killing your club!
 

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Just thought I would let you all know, Wallan had a meeting last night about where the club was heading and it was decided that we would not look at returning to the RDFL.

Are you in a position to state why such a decision was made, and how many people attended the meeting. From an interested outsider looking in I thought a move back to the RDFL had ticks in a lot of boxes for Wallan FC's future - obviously I was wrong :confused:
 
Are you in a position to state why such a decision was made, and how many people attended the meeting. From an interested outsider looking in I thought a move back to the RDFL had ticks in a lot of boxes for Wallan FC's future - obviously I was wrong :confused:

I had to work last night so I was unable to attend the meeting. From all reports there was a pretty good turn up to the meeting. I'll try and round up some info on why the decision was made and post it on the thread.
 
yeah i was also a big fan for our club to go back to the riddell, i dont think its going to be the smartest decision to stay in the dvfl. we have been there 6 yrs and dont even look like being competitive enough to make the finals, our club spent up very big last yr and only finished 8th or 9th out of 16 and then lost most of our players for this year! we havnt really got any rivallries in the dvfl where as we used to in the rdfl and we are basically still a country club playing suburban football.:thumbsdown:
 
yeah i was also a big fan for our club to go back to the riddell, i dont think its going to be the smartest decision to stay in the dvfl. we have been there 6 yrs and dont even look like being competitive enough to make the finals, our club spent up very big last yr and only finished 8th or 9th out of 16 and then lost most of our players for this year! we havnt really got any rivallries in the dvfl where as we used to in the rdfl and we are basically still a country club playing suburban football.:thumbsdown:

Was there speakers for and against? What you've said makes sense to me, did it come down to a vote or how was the decision to stay with the DVFL agreed upon?
 
I had to work last night so I was unable to attend the meeting. From all reports there was a pretty good turn up to the meeting. I'll try and round up some info on why the decision was made and post it on the thread.

Iceman, Did the Wallan FC even talk to the RDFL about the future direction of the league or the opportunities/challenges that they would face before making a call such as this?

I don't believe that they have, I would consider this to be a little irresponsible by the Wallan committee to not fully explore all options in front of them, especially with the difficulties that they have faced in the NFL.

If the Wallan football club were to explore all options available to them rather than making rash decisions that are not informed, they may have been able to discuss and hear options that would be much more benefitial to the club.

Just my opinion... :thumbsu:
 
Iceman, Did the Wallan FC even talk to the RDFL about the future direction of the league or the opportunities/challenges that they would face before making a call such as this?

I don't believe that they have, I would consider this to be a little irresponsible by the Wallan committee to not fully explore all options in front of them, especially with the difficulties that they have faced in the NFL.

If the Wallan football club were to explore all options available to them rather than making rash decisions that are not informed, they may have been able to discuss and hear options that would be much more benefitial to the club.

Just my opinion... :thumbsu:

And a pretty valid point you make there mate :thumbsu:
 

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Iceman, Did the Wallan FC even talk to the RDFL about the future direction of the league or the opportunities/challenges that they would face before making a call such as this?

I don't believe that they have, I would consider this to be a little irresponsible by the Wallan committee to not fully explore all options in front of them, especially with the difficulties that they have faced in the NFL.

If the Wallan football club were to explore all options available to them rather than making rash decisions that are not informed, they may have been able to discuss and hear options that would be much more benefitial to the club.

Just my opinion... :thumbsu:

I believe that AFL Victoria are managing the Northern football league this year until it is a position to run itself.
Perhaps it was AFL Vic that spoke to Wallan and convinced them to stay.
All this is just hear say until somebody that knows why comes forward.
It is dissapointing that they have not looked at all options if that is the case
 
Harry's very dissapointed to hear that Wallan won't return to the RDFL. :(
It seems a very strange decision that they wouldn't even explore the option, however, clubs and people make decisions for different reason and that's their choice. I just hope for Wallan's sake it's the right one!! In my opinion, given where they are located, approx 1/2 hour from from any other team in the NFL and the fact that Wallan is growing everyday, I would have thought the RDFL would have been a great opportunity to get the club back into the mix as far as being competitive and also with the possiblility of the RDFL expanding into 2 x divisions, over time with their population they could very well see themselves sitting in divvy 1 with a divvy 2 flag under their belt. Anyway, good luck to them and I hope they start to move upwards in their chosen league:thumbsu:
 
I won't say what I think about Wallan's decision, it's best that I don't. I have spoken to people from the club and will fire out a story tomorrow and give you all a preview.

On to more important things, the Bowen Medal night is just 18 days away people!!! Monday, September 3.

The latest "prospective" odds I'm offering are:

Daniel Bonnici $1.75
Justin Belleville $3.50
Matt Robertson $4.50
Mark McInerney $6
Dave Cornish $8
Shaun Sims $10
Linton Kemp $10
Any unlisted player: $25

Also, people might be interested to see the premiership odds, should TAB Sportsbet be interesting in taking bets on the RDFL.

Riddell $1.70
Woodend-Hesket $2.90
Sunbury Kangaroos $3.20
Romsey $8.50
Diggers Rest $51
Kilmore $101

In a two horse race, Dave Cornish would currently be listed as $1.40 to win the RDFL goalkicking, ahead of Michael Allen at $2.70.

The latest stories are up on www.centralsport.org too fellas.
 
Finals venues have all been finalised. First Week Saturday at Woodend, Sunday at Riddell.
I'm sure that anybody that plays at Woodend would be praying for less than 10mm of rain between now and the day.
What is Riddell like? would clubs be praying for the opposite with riddells past ground conditions.
 
Finals venues have all been finalised. First Week Saturday at Woodend, Sunday at Riddell.
I'm sure that anybody that plays at Woodend would be praying for less than 10mm of rain between now and the day.
What is Riddell like? would clubs be praying for the opposite with riddells past ground conditions.

Assuming the ladder remains the same, you would expect the Romsey v Diggers Rest elimination final to be at Woodend on Saturday and the Woodend-Hesket v Sunbury Kangaroos clash at Riddell.

Assuming the higher ranked sides win, Riddell will play Woodend-Hesket for a grand final berth and the Roos will play Romsey for a crack at the prelim. As Romsey have a second week final, you would assume the Redbacks and Roos will play at Kilmore on the Sunday, and the Bombers and Hawks will play on Saturday at Romsey.

Once again, assuming the higher ranked side wins, you have a prelim involving the Roos and Hawks at Macedon on the Saturday.

IMS, Mongrel and a few others will be filthy because it may affect their bourbon drinking after the match, due to work commitments the following day. :D
 
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