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Thanks for your reply IIM. I know your not an Umpire. :thumbsu:

Yes I know all about HOW they pay for it........& indeed how Lancefield Football Netball Club misses out on the revenue.
And I am told the Umpires did in fact have their own alcohol supply, which they bulk purchaced (Unopened) from LFNC & kept on ice in one of their marquees on the day !

I'm not really concerned whether the RDFL and/or Lancefield had given the "all clear".....(excuse the pun!) for the Umpires to erect their marqueeS........ Although I know for a fact that some at Macedon were none too impressed when they discovered they had erected one in prime position on the boundary at Tony Clarke (which they did NOT use !) on Preliminary Final Day.
What I am interested in -
1. Is this "Special Treatment" that is being afforded to the Umpires, appropriate ???
2. Is this the "Thin end of the Wedge", will we now see Umpire Marquees erected at EVERY one of our Finals now ???
3. Can any of the Clubs errect a "Big Top" adjacent to the boundary come Finals time with the Blessing of the League ???
4. Can any or ALL of our Clubs bulk buy booze at our Finals venues then, "ON SELL" it ??? (For Profit $$$)
5. Can any or ALL of our Clubs run their own B.B.Q at our Finals venues ??? (For Profit $$$)

And perhaps, just perhaps the reason WHY we have not heard any rumblings out of Lancefield or infact any other Club is because they may just think that complaining to the League about Umpires which has an Umpire as its HEAD, could well be something of a pointless exercise !o_O

OMNI, I've known you for around 10 years, I would consider myself one of those friends you alluded to in an earlier post and you're a bloke that is obviously very passionate about your footy and aren't scared to air your opinions - Sometimes we agree, sometimes we both leave shaking our heads (T.Waters comes to mind), but I guess that's the beauty of opinions.

This forum has been an interesting read over the last four or so weeks for someone in my position, and despite temptation, I haven't replied to any posts - positive, negative or otherwise. I can attempt to clear up some of the points you have raised above - these are certainly my opinion and not that of the RU as a whole. (and before any one asks, no I will not comment on the grand final game itself or on the selection of umpires)

1. Is this "Special Treatment" that is being afforded to the Umpires, appropriate ???

I think that yes it is. One of the biggest barriers to retention of umpires is the environment we work in, it's a massive discussion point at all the umpires conferences I have been to. Whilst we have control of the environment on Wednesday nights at training (i.e. we can make it a positive & supportive environment), for most of the year we do not have any control of the environment on game day.

The tent on Grand final day is really the one time of the year we can control the environment and we work as hard as possible to make it a positive one for the members. Young umpires can bring their parents along, wives, partners and children are all welcome and it's really the only game of the year umpires can gather in a social manner and watch together.

So being given "special treatment" as you have chosen to describe it, actually helps with our retention (& recruitment) of umpires - for this reason I think it's appropriate.

2. Is this the "Thin end of the Wedge", will we now see Umpire Marquees erected at EVERY one of our Finals now ???

The tent on Grand final Day has been a tradition for most of our 30 year history I believe, so if you're just talking about grand final day then the "thin end of the wedge" has always been there.

If you mean the finals series as a whole, there were tents set up at every final from the second week onwards (this was discussed with and approved by the league). These were for the coaches to sit in and observe the officiating umpires in the finals, without being obstructed or distracted by other non-officiating umpires or the surrounding crowd (i.e. these were not social tents). It also allowed them to discuss the running umpires without the non-officiating umpires hearing. As for the empty tent at Macedon, the coaches were offered a position on the balcony of the club rooms after the tent was erected, this is why it remained empty.

3. Can any of the Clubs errect a "Big Top" adjacent to the boundary come Finals time with the Blessing of the League ???

No idea

4. Can any or ALL of our Clubs bulk buy booze at our Finals venues then, "ON SELL" it ??? (For Profit $$$)

I have never bought a beer in the tent, as I have been doing the main game - so I wouldn't even know if you can buy beer in there, or - if you can, how much one was.

5. Can any or ALL of our Clubs run their own B.B.Q at our Finals venues ??? (For Profit $$$)

I very much doubt the association profited from the tent, it only cost an attending umpire $10 to get in and by the time each umpire has a snag or 2, a burger and a can of soft drink that $10 is very quickly dissolved.

Hope that clears a few things up, certainly not arguing with you, just giving you some of my thoughts.

And also just for the record, I am not returning to umpire next year as I will be spending the year abroad, NOT because of what happened on GF day as has been asked of me by a number of people. I certainly wouldn't allow unfortunate behavior from a very small minority of people to push me away from umpiring.
 
Well done champ, great response. If we had a whole association of Umpires HALF as good as you we wouldn't ever have a problem !

Hope you have a great time O S,..... & come back to us ready to get back straight into it again. :thumbsu:
 
Mr Umpire can you please explain to me how the umpires are selected for the Senior Grand Final.

Always happy to educate the public on the way things operate as so people have a better understanding on how umpiring works.

After observations during the year (most senior umpire will get seen about 5-6 times during the home and away season) the umpires are ranked. Rankings also take into account training, coaching sessions and pre-season camp attendance along with their availability during the year.Over the course of the finals, umpires move up and down the ranking depending on performances. After the prelim is over the umpires ranked 1-3 do the Senior GF, 4-6 do Reserves and 7-9 do 18's. This years appointments for finals were met with agreement from the group. What I mean by this is that some years you have umpires who spit the dummy when they find out which GF they got (or didn't get), however this year the 9 umpires in the field were happy and agreed with the final rankings.

Two umpires have been mentioned more than any others over the last few weeks so I will make a quick comment on each (of course not representing the RU, just an opinion).
1. Tim Rath is an excellent umpire, and could have easily done the Senior GF (As could have the 2 guys he ran the Reserved GF with who have also done Senior GF's in the past) and yes Tim had an excellent Prelim. However the fact is that he came in ranked lower than the other 3 and didn't do enough over the finals series to crack into the top 3. Tim's work impacts on his availability and his body at times is a little sorer than others.

2. Troy Jones has umpired in 10 Senior GF's at Metro level (in different leagues under a range a different coaches). He also was at the AFL for a few years. He also umpired LAST YEARS RDFL SENIOR GF (in which Romsey WON).

Many of us umpires have seen the last 4mins that has been continually talked about. I am not sure that anyone on here has seen it as no one has broken down each free kick, one by one. Because if they did there would be less discussion.
 
I dont care or know whether those 3 free kicks in the last 3 mins of our Grand Final were THERE or not.
And I was up that end, & they were right in front of me !
What I am saying is -
IT IS NOT a good look for our showpiece game of the year to be DECIDED by an Umpire !

Having said that, Troy Jones didnt get those 3 easiest of centre clearances & rapidly drive the ball into the forward line so he could pay those dubious free kicks.
Sunbury DID !
The Redbacks had stopped to a walk !

Normally Umpires put their whistles away in the frenetic last quarter, especially something as important as the Grand Final & only pay the blatantly obvious free kicks
This did not happen !

Hey I dont blame Troy Jones. He is a top bloke and a very fine Umpire with a great CV to prove it. He is NOT a cheat ! He was however horribly out of form this season.
Moreover HE did not pick himself to run in our GF ! I blame the bloke/s or the process which selected him !
Michael O'Keeffe had had plenty of correspondence as I have said before from several Clubs & one spectator that I know of, detailing Troy's lack of form in 2012 !
This information was totally disregarded it seems &..............................
Troy was selected purely on PAST REPUTATION !

Lets focus not on, what occurred. We cannot now turn back the clock & change events & outcomes. But more on How it occurred & WHY !
This way we can make sure it NEVER happens again !
 

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Does it matter that Troy has retired??
Troy announced his retirement after the appointments were read out on the last training night as not to influence the decision of Grand Finals. No one apart from his Family knew.

I do want to pick up on the correspondence. The Riddell Umpires have never taken spectators feedback into account. It would be like the AFL responding to every complaint they get from a one eyed fan. However Coaches and club officials can always ring or write to the association and speak to a specific coach.

I would love to know more about the "plenty of correspondence"? Who, when and what about? We usually get told about any letters and address them at our meetings. It also usually leaks out that someone has had a letter about them.
 
Always happy to educate the public on the way things operate as so people have a better understanding on how umpiring works.

After observations during the year (most senior umpire will get seen about 5-6 times during the home and away season) the umpires are ranked. Rankings also take into account training, coaching sessions and pre-season camp attendance along with their availability during the year.Over the course of the finals, umpires move up and down the ranking depending on performances. After the prelim is over the umpires ranked 1-3 do the Senior GF, 4-6 do Reserves and 7-9 do 18's. This years appointments for finals were met with agreement from the group. What I mean by this is that some years you have umpires who spit the dummy when they find out which GF they got (or didn't get), however this year the 9 umpires in the field were happy and agreed with the final rankings.

Two umpires have been mentioned more than any others over the last few weeks so I will make a quick comment on each (of course not representing the RU, just an opinion).
1. Tim Rath is an excellent umpire, and could have easily done the Senior GF (As could have the 2 guys he ran the Reserved GF with who have also done Senior GF's in the past) and yes Tim had an excellent Prelim. However the fact is that he came in ranked lower than the other 3 and didn't do enough over the finals series to crack into the top 3. Tim's work impacts on his availability and his body at times is a little sorer than others.

2. Troy Jones has umpired in 10 Senior GF's at Metro level (in different leagues under a range a different coaches). He also was at the AFL for a few years. He also umpired LAST YEARS RDFL SENIOR GF (in which Romsey WON).

Many of us umpires have seen the last 4mins that has been continually talked about. I am not sure that anyone on here has seen it as no one has broken down each free kick, one by one. Because if they did there would be less discussion.


I have seen the whole last quarter, I have not counted the free kicks, but have been told there were twelve in the last quarter six to each team. From what I've heard both the umpires and the rdfl have no issues with the so called controversial frees in the last four minutes, from your post I'd say this is true of the umpires.

In relation to the umpire's rankings, I'm led to believe that the number one ranked umpire before the preliminary final does not umpire in the prelim, leaving two,three and four ranked to "fight it out for" the final two appointments as number one is already locked in. If this is the case Troy Jones did not umpire in the prelim, which would mean he was ranked number one, and had already been assured a spot in the GF.

I also agree with OMNI, that Romsey has stopped to a walk, it was not Troy Jones who was pumping the ball deep into the Sunbury forward line. The Romsey backline were under extreme pressure in the last fifteen minutes, which was magnified by the loss of Kairns, when he went off the game changed completely.
 
I have seen the whole last quarter, I have not counted the free kicks, but have been told there were twelve in the last quarter six to each team. From what I've heard both the umpires and the rdfl have no issues with the so called controversial frees in the last four minutes, from your post I'd say this is true of the umpires.

In relation to the umpire's rankings, I'm led to believe that the number one ranked umpire before the preliminary final does not umpire in the prelim, leaving two,three and four ranked to "fight it out for" the final two appointments as number one is already locked in. If this is the case Troy Jones did not umpire in the prelim, which would mean he was ranked number one, and had already been assured a spot in the GF.

I also agree with OMNI, that Romsey has stopped to a walk, it was not Troy Jones who was pumping the ball deep into the Sunbury forward line. The Romsey backline were under extreme pressure in the last fifteen minutes, which was magnified by the loss of Kairns, when he went off the game changed completely.

Great Post. Only point to make is that in fact we always know who the number 1 umpire is because they win Umpire of the year. This year is was Cam Black. He rested the Semi and Umpired the Prelim. I think each coach has different ways of mixing it up and also ensuring the balance between looking at as many umpires as he can with making sure that there are still good umpires each final.

You are right though, by resting Troy in the prelim, he had locked his spot away. He first weeks 2 (which we did not see any negative feedback on this forum about) must have been good enough to get him in.

This is all great discussion, however I am sure that most people are over talking about umpires. What about the fact we have a new side in our comp, or that we are part of the VCFL interleague next year or Barry Hall!
 
Great Post. Only point to make is that in fact we always know who the number 1 umpire is because they win Umpire of the year. This year is was Cam Black. He rested the Semi and Umpired the Prelim. I think each coach has different ways of mixing it up and also ensuring the balance between looking at as many umpires as he can with making sure that there are still good umpires each final.

You are right though, by resting Troy in the prelim, he had locked his spot away. He first weeks 2 (which we did not see any negative feedback on this forum about) must have been good enough to get him in.

This is all great discussion, however I am sure that most people are over talking about umpires. What about the fact we have a new side in our comp, or that we are part of the VCFL interleague next year or Barry Hall!

How does that work when you are not a VCFL alligned league???
 

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Have heard that Broadford might have lost Grant Wearne and Marcus Webb for 2013, both would be massive losses for a side that is looking to build.. If Webb leaves, that might also see Burcul leave with him, makes 3 big losses.
 
Have heard that Broadford might have lost Grant Wearne and Marcus Webb for 2013, both would be massive losses for a side that is looking to build.. If Webb leaves, that might also see Burcul leave with him, makes 3 big losses.


i hear webb has signed at whittlesea with an old school mate from the ACK days
 
Grant weanre should stay at home Marcus Webb has said has decided to play with whittlesea and burcal we think will not play due to work commitments. But on a brighter note we have about 7 senior players returning to the club and along with Barry hall coming home and the young group that we have we should be more competitive . We are also fielding phone calls from other players wishing to talk to us so hopefully this will more than cover the 2 lost players
 

I was wondering how he could play after being suspended for 26 weeks however AFL players have their suspensions halved when they are finished at the highest level. So Barry is only sitting on 13 weeks. Lets hope he behaves - some hot headed ex AFL players have struggled with playing in lower levels. They are easy targets for lippy supporters that have a gut full of the old dutch courage in them.
 
I think u may find that we have to fill out an application because of Barry past suspensions but I'm sure it's in the best interests of the rdfl and supporters that he plays. He is great with the little kids and for everyones sake let's hope clubs pull the mouthy blokes up with to much soda in them up....
The rdfl sponsors should be rapt to have such a high profile player coming to the league and putting something back into country footy.. Let's just hope the big bloke get a fair go to teach not only the Broadford youngsters but also the opposition kids :thumbsu:
 

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I think u may find that we have to fill out an application because of Barry past suspensions but I'm sure it's in the best interests of the rdfl and supporters that he plays. He is great with the little kids and for everyones sake let's hope clubs pull the mouthy blokes up with to much soda in them up....
The rdfl sponsors should be rapt to have such a high profile player coming to the league and putting something back into country footy.. Let's just hope the big bloke get a fair go to teach not only the Broadford youngsters but also the opposition kids :thumbsu:

Was he suspended in the Grand Final this year? There is no requirement to put in an application unless he is suspended and De-registered under the 16 week rule..
 
Was he suspended in the Grand Final this year? There is no requirement to put in an application unless he is suspended and De-registered under the 16 week rule..

No he was reported in the week before the Semi - "f**k put the whistle away" was a remark he made to the umpire that had him reported. He was cleared to play.
 
I know it has attracted lot of attention over our way with him signing at Broadford let's hope the same happens around the league

Of course it will - the biggest and best name ever to play in the RDFL.

4 time All Australian, B&F winner and premiership player. People will come from a long way to watch him play. Massive coup of the RDFL.

Will he play both home and away games?
 
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