Realistic Trades:

[kevind]

If you were referring to my post I did say to "get them interested". You are right it would likely cost more. Thats the problems with trades, invariably you have to give up something you are not willing to to get what you want. The reality for us this year is that we don't have high enough picks to really get the big deals done. I really think we will hold on to our first two picks and maybe look at some players we can get cheaper that fit needs on our list like Seaby or Tuck.

The trouble is Quicky, I doubt if they would be interested. Wellingham would be rated in what???, the first 120 players in the AFL. Kerr when fit is a genuine Top 10 midfielder.

Put it this way. If we had Kerr and WCE had Wellingham, would you even consider a deal?????

Our problem is that we lack players of real class in the midfield outside of Pendlebury and arguably Dane Swan. We just don't have enough A graders to win us the really important finals. Sure Beams and Sidebottom look the goods, but we are realistically 3-4 years away, before we can expect them to take charge of a big game like the Abblets and Judds do.

So is it worth picking up players like Seaby and Tuck? Both are honest types of players but we have a list full of those types. And they never win you premierships. IMO we should only deal for top class, Otherwise, keep our picks and develop our own.

The only Collingwood players who will attract interest IMO are Cloke, Pendlebury and possibly Didak. Personally, I would only trade Pendlebury for an Ablett or a Judd. Cloke and Didak are worth putting up to see if we could extract a player of real class eg Burgoyne

One player that has impressed me every time I have seen him at VFL or AFL level is Ben McEvoy at Stkilda. He is mobile for his size, can play KF and Ruck and takes a good contested mark. I think he would be ideal as either a CHF, FF or as a second ruck. If the Saints wanted a trade for Cloke, I would be all over that one.

As long as Burgoyne is fit, a swap for Didak and a Cloke swap with MCEvoy would benefit the side IMO. Didak cannot cop a tag, so has limited appeal as a midfielder when it really matters and we are quite OK for small forwards. In addition, losing Cloke, who I don't think is a CHF for McEvoy, who could stand up as KF would fill a couple of holes in our side.

 

[smiddaz123]

As long as Burgoyne is fit, a swap for Didak and a Cloke swap with MCEvoy would benefit the side IMO. Didak cannot cop a tag, so has limited appeal as a midfielder when it really matters and we are quite OK for small forwards. Losing Cloke, who I don't think is a CHF for McEvoy, who could stand up as KF would fill a couple of holes in our side.

Sorry, but do you really rate Burgoyne's performances when tagged? He's probably even worse than Didak in that regard. He has gone to water so often in his career, it's ridiculous.

 

[keviewiggle]

The trouble is Quicky, I doubt if they would be interested. Wellingham would be rated in what???, the first 120 players in the AFL. Kerr when fit is a genuine Top 10 midfielder.

Put it this way. If we had Kerr and WCE had Wellingham, would you even consider a deal?????

Our problem is that we lack players of real class in the midfield outside of Pendlebury and arguably Dane Swan. We just don't have enough A graders to win us the really important finals. Sure Beams and Sidebottom look the goods, but we are realistically 3-4 years away, before we can expect them to take charge of a big game like the Abblets and Judds do.

So is it worth picking up players like Seaby and Tuck? Both are honest types of players but we have a list full of those types. And they never win you premierships. IMO we should only deal for top class, Otherwise, keep our picks and develop our own.

The only Collingwood players who will attract interest IMO are Cloke, Pendlebury and possibly Didak. Personally, I would only trade Pendlebury for an Ablett or a Judd. Cloke and Didak are worth putting up to see if we could extract a player of real class eg Burgoyne

One player that has impressed me every time I have seen him at VFL or AFL level is Ben McEvoy at Stkilda. He is mobile for his size, can play KF and Ruck and takes a good contested mark. I think he would be ideal as either a CHF, FF or as a second ruck. If the Saints wanted a trade for Cloke, I would be all over that one.

As long as Burgoyne is fit, a swap for Didak and a Cloke swap with MCEvoy would benefit the side IMO. Didak cannot cop a tag, so has limited appeal as a midfielder when it really matters and we are quite OK for small forwards. In addition, losing Cloke, who I don't think is a CHF for McEvoy, who could stand up as KF would fill a couple of holes in our side.

18 months go I would have given anything to get Travis Cloke.
What has happened to him?
I recommend you go for Seaby , play him in the first ruck and you will what a quality player he is.

 

[daics cousin]

Are you guys kidding ?
I would never trade Clokey ! Only if Roughead . Franklin or Reiwoldt was on the table.
He has had a bad year off field which has led to his average year on field .
Once he gets another preseason under his belt and some more goal kicking practise he will be fine he is a gun player,only in his early twenties....Ben MCEVOY IS NO WHERE NEAR CLOKE !
Dermie stated on sen that the 2 most important players at collingwood at the moment are Scott Pendlebury and Travis Cloke.
You dont trade kpp's.
Dermie also said that have you ever stood next to cloke ? He is a huge unit with plenty of upside to him.

 

[popathon]

WC are after small forwards, i'd put up Dick, medhurst and our first rounder and see what interest they get. I don't see the point in trading Cloke as i don't think we'd get value for him due to his bad year.

 

[ozpie]

No club in their right mind would offer anything below pick 60 for Josh Fraser at the absolute best.

now im not the biggest fraser fan in the world but this is just a downright stupid comment posted to attract attention.

Cloke and Didak are worth putting up to see if we could extract a player of real class eg Burgoyne

another stupid comment by the same poster, why would we put up our 2nd best player and a promising 22yr KP player to get a 27 yr old front runner who just wants to boost his wage,
get a clue mate

 

[hellfire]

WC are after small forwards, i'd put up Dick, medhurst and our first rounder and see what interest they get. I don't see the point in trading Cloke as i don't think we'd get value for him due to his bad year.

I'd be very reluctant to part ways with Dick. So much talent there, and is our only true crumber.

The only players I'd be interested in from West Coast are: Mitch Brown, Shannon Hurn and Daniel Kerr. There are a couple of others, but they would never trade them.

 

[4#Didak#4]

Trading a key forward like Cloke is insanity. I agree he has been somewhat disappointing but peoples expectations are way too high. He is not going to be a J. Brown, Franklin or Riewolt, they are rare players that are not going to knock on our door tommorrow. Cloke is young & will improve but he needs support. We need a forward line with lots of options. Cloke will always be a lead up centre half forward with a big engine, and not kick bags of goals. This is fine as long as we have someone inside 50 with some presence.

 

[King Woodie]

I would definitely put our first round on the table.

We have a very good core group of young players who will peak at similar times, what we need to do now is build on that list with players who will peak at the same time.

We need to go all out with this list of young players or we will again miss out, and suffer the fate of being a top 6 side for a long time without getting any decent draft picks or achieving any real success.

To be more extreme, we could completely focus on this period (3-4 years away) and trade away good players now who are unlikely to be around then (ie Davis, Didak) and get some good quality kids to support that group.

We currently seem to be focussing on two separate peaks - one now and next year, and another a few years after that. Can we achieve a flag using this methodology?

 

[Old Spice]

If you could get Kerr for a deal involving Nathan Brown would be worth contemplating. Rambo's done nothing wrong, but has value while we have a fair supply of tall defending options. If we could land a forward as well, then Jack could go back.

Burgoyne could be done for a Didak swap, which is pretty tempting given the number of small forward options we have and the need for a quality mid. Not sure on his consistency though. Williams has had Didak in the gun for years.

 

[4#Didak#4]

I also heard that the recruiters are looking at trading for an early draft pick so we can get Butcher. If we could get him I think it would be a good move for our forward line.

I have also heard a little whisper about this, but dismissed it at the time as too hard to arrange. Due to the early first round picks:
Melbourne will keep their picks x 2
Richmond must keep theirs
Freo have said they will keep theirs
North & Sydney both need good young talent & will hold

West Coast is the first option who have said they are willing to trade picks for players but they are coming in at #7.

Would Butcher slip to #7? Mind you the last few #7s are all stars, Rich, Palmer, Selwood

It is possible that Leon Davis could be traded to West Coast as that fits what they need - alternating Le Cras & Davis as small fwds/mids would be damaging.

Would hate to lose Leon but is pick 7 worth the punt?

 

[hellfire]

Imagine Leon playing at Subi every week... he'd be the best player in the comp. Realistically, Kerr is extremely injury-prone and can't handle a tag. You could almost say a straight swap would suffice IF we were trading Leon [I don't want to]. But I'm sure WC supporters will point back to 2006 when Kerr was brilliant, saying we'd need to throw in a first rounder.

 

[Pies_10]

I have also heard a little whisper about this, but dismissed it at the time as too hard to arrange. Due to the early first round picks:
Melbourne will keep their picks x 2
Richmond must keep theirs
Freo have said they will keep theirs
North & Sydney both need good young talent & will hold

West Coast is the first option who have said they are willing to trade picks for players but they are coming in at #7.

Would Butcher slip to #7? Mind you the last few #7s are all stars, Rich, Palmer, Selwood

It is possible that Leon Davis could be traded to West Coast as that fits what they need - alternating Le Cras & Davis as small fwds/mids would be damaging.

Would hate to lose Leon but is pick 7 worth the punt?

I would consider it, but would only do it if we gave #7 back and got Kerr out of it.

 

[mattys123]

Rumours around today that Collingwood want Butcher, the big "gun" of this year's draft.

And that we are willing to trade our first round pick and a player of "note" to get a top 3 or 4 pick.

It seems Melbourne may take the two mids in Scully and Tengrove now, so we would have to trade with Richmond most likely.

What would you think we need to trade with our first round pick (14) to get Richmond's pick 3 or Fremantle's pick 4?

Butcher could act in the future as a 2nd ruckman who plays predominately up forward.

 

[Pies_10]

Richmond would want a Davis or Didak to go up that high id imagine.

 

[4#Didak#4]

Rumours around today that Collingwood want Butcher, the big "gun" of this year's draft.

And that we are willing to trade our first round pick and a player of "note" to get a top 3 or 4 pick.

It seems Melbourne may take the two mids in Scully and Tengrove now, so we would have to trade with Richmond most likely.

What would you think we need to trade with our first round pick (14) to get Richmond's pick 3 or Fremantle's pick 4?

Butcher could act in the future as a 2nd ruckman who plays predominately up forward.

I would be surprised either trade the 3 or 4 given the position they are in. But for hypothetical sake look at what they need.

Richmond need players - not necessarily one gun but need 3-4 good players on their list that can be seviceable for a quite a few years. Their depth is disgraceful so they need to do this or be completely non competitive for 3-4 years. We have depth so it would be a matter of picking an unlucky few who suit the Tigers needs plus a swap of picks:
Guys like Wellingham, Goldsack, Macaffer, Dick, Reid even Anthony. All of these guys can play and will be in our best 22 for years to come, but thats the price we will have to pay to Richmond I would suggest.

Freo is different, they now have a good base of youth, but lack some experience and class. Players with WA connections like Davis & Dick even N. Brown with the WA connection come to mind plus picks and maybe other players. Pity Medhursts poor form has devalued him now - could have done a trade back!

I cannot see us getting a pick this high. If we do Butcher had better be good as it is a massive investment.

 

[HFF]

It is impossible to snare pick 3-4.

Freo have already stated their picks are off-limits.

As for the Tigers, appointing a new coach, they are wanting to rebuild and therefore will keep their first selection. Also,they require another quality key tall too so with Butcher available it is highly unlikely they will trade down.

As for us, we would have to give up someone like Didak/Davis + our first pick.

That is not worthwhile for us or even market price. We would be overpaying the odds big time.

Draft picks are just numbers without a face. I'd rather keep the star players thank you very much.

 

[Trojan Pies]

Sorry, but do you really rate Burgoyne's performances when tagged?

When he's being tagged by Toovey I do...

 

[Quicky]

Rumours around today that Collingwood want Butcher, the big "gun" of this year's draft.

And that we are willing to trade our first round pick and a player of "note" to get a top 3 or 4 pick.

It seems Melbourne may take the two mids in Scully and Tengrove now, so we would have to trade with Richmond most likely.

What would you think we need to trade with our first round pick (14) to get Richmond's pick 3 or Fremantle's pick 4?

Butcher could act in the future as a 2nd ruckman who plays predominately up forward.

That we may conceivably get rid of?? Probably someone like Didak, Thomas, Cloke?? I'd have added Davis but his age would rule him out. Cloke would be the interesting one there with his poor season, high upside and Richmond links. All I know is to get that pick we'd be getting rid of a player that would upset alot of people.

 

[Quicky]

The trouble is Quicky, I doubt if they would be interested. Wellingham would be rated in what???, the first 120 players in the AFL. Kerr when fit is a genuine Top 10 midfielder.

Put it this way. If we had Kerr and WCE had Wellingham, would you even consider a deal?????

Our problem is that we lack players of real class in the midfield outside of Pendlebury and arguably Dane Swan. We just don't have enough A graders to win us the really important finals. Sure Beams and Sidebottom look the goods, but we are realistically 3-4 years away, before we can expect them to take charge of a big game like the Abblets and Judds do.

So is it worth picking up players like Seaby and Tuck? Both are honest types of players but we have a list full of those types. And they never win you premierships. IMO we should only deal for top class, Otherwise, keep our picks and develop our own.

The only Collingwood players who will attract interest IMO are Cloke, Pendlebury and possibly Didak. Personally, I would only trade Pendlebury for an Ablett or a Judd. Cloke and Didak are worth putting up to see if we could extract a player of real class eg Burgoyne

One player that has impressed me every time I have seen him at VFL or AFL level is Ben McEvoy at Stkilda. He is mobile for his size, can play KF and Ruck and takes a good contested mark. I think he would be ideal as either a CHF, FF or as a second ruck. If the Saints wanted a trade for Cloke, I would be all over that one.

As long as Burgoyne is fit, a swap for Didak and a Cloke swap with MCEvoy would benefit the side IMO. Didak cannot cop a tag, so has limited appeal as a midfielder when it really matters and we are quite OK for small forwards. In addition, losing Cloke, who I don't think is a CHF for McEvoy, who could stand up as KF would fill a couple of holes in our side.

Look I see your point. I think you missed mine. I was responding to the OP suggesting they would be interested in Wellingham and a 3rd rounder. I said you would have to make that a 1st rounder before the would consider it - as in it even being within the realms of possibility.

I doubt StKilda would even consider getting rid of McEvoy given the mail that King is set to retire at years end and Gardiner wouldn't be far behind. And Considering they have Reiwoldt, Kosi and Lynch is it behind them I can't see them being interested in Cloke.

 

[dima17]

first of all... we have kids! we do not need to keep using our picks to try and find a diamond in the rough. wen will it be time for collingwood to say.. "we have needs, lets go out and chase them and for once land the big fish"

these ideas might seem a tad extravagant but we need to be ballsy in trade week.
i suggest:

matt mcguire - he is still young, and i think he will be hungry to win a flag somewhere (dawson may have taken his place at the saints). he will make a great FB and nathan brown/reid can hopefully develop into CHB in the future.

jamie charman - i think it's time to move fraser on and get a "true" ruckman into out lineup - and one with a bit of physical presence (wont have to give much up to get him) plus, the lions will be looking to develp their younger ruckman.

dreamtrade: i think it has been said previously but here it goes again:

josh fraser + pick 14 to richmond for pick 3
pick 3 + shannon cox to west coast for daniel kerr

what are peoples thoughts on the above potential choices???

 

[HFF]

first of all... we have kids! we do not need to keep using our picks to try and find a diamond in the rough. wen will it be time for collingwood to say.. "we have needs, lets go out and chase them and for once land the big fish"

these ideas might seem a tad extravagant but we need to be ballsy in trade week.
i suggest:

matt mcguire - he is still young, and i think he will be hungry to win a flag somewhere (dawson may have taken his place at the saints). he will make a great FB and nathan brown/reid can hopefully develop into CHB in the future.

jamie charman - i think it's time to move fraser on and get a "true" ruckman into out lineup - and one with a bit of physical presence (wont have to give much up to get him) plus, the lions will be looking to develp their younger ruckman.

what are peoples thoughts on the above potential choices???

Goose is a shadow of his former self. Unless he can be acquired cheapily or at value i.e. 3rd round we should not pursue him. Spend the time putting games into kids like Brown/Reid/Goldsack etc.

Charman too is interesting particularly as his body has actually been battered around more than Fraser's. Coming off knee reco and has had many ankle problems. Again, it would have to be a value deal for us because he is probably just over that age barrier that could command a 1st or 2nd round selection.

I don't mind this one

We will not be able to snare pick 3 for the proposed trade. It's foolish to think otherwise.

However, WCE would entertain pick 3 for Kerr if we somehow managed to snare it.

 

[dima17]

apparently richmond is entertaining the idea of using pick 3 to trade. granted they are looking to rebuild, but they are in need of another ruckman while the likes of vickery develop. collingwood is also hugely keen on john butcher who will probably go at pick 3.

what would people think about trading cloke and pick 14 for pick 3 for butcher??? could it happen??

 

[PHX]

josh fraser + pick 14 to richmond for pick 3

No thanks. We don't need a ruckman who will be 28 at the start of next season who only has a couple of years left in him to drop 11 places in the draft.

 

[kevind]

Look I see your point. I think you missed mine. I was responding to the OP suggesting they would be interested in Wellingham and a 3rd rounder. I said you would have to make that a 1st rounder before the would consider it - as in it even being within the realms of possibility.

I doubt StKilda would even consider getting rid of McEvoy given the mail that King is set to retire at years end and Gardiner wouldn't be far behind. And Considering they have Reiwoldt, Kosi and Lynch is it behind them I can't see them being interested in Cloke.

You are probably right, but the point I am trying to make is if we are going to bandy around our number 1 pick in the draft, we should only be after a player who will stand up in the finals and be someone who can fill a hole in our side.

If we are looking at players of the calibre of Tuck and Seaby, we will continue to get results in finals like the Geelong debacle. We have too many of these 'journeymen' footballers as is. We don't need more