Reality bites

[Capital Magpie]

Remember [PLAYERCARD]Marc Murphy[/PLAYERCARD]

Nothing's certain

Yep, there have been misses as well as hits. Its the way of the world. I'm just looking forward optimistically.

 

[Darkyprotector]

Problem will be that Eddie will re-sign Bucks before next season starts because he doesnt want his expiring contract to be a distraction for the team.

No full forward
No half backs
Can't get a clearance
Can't kick a goal
Can't land anyone

Hows that bucks fault
He didn't recruit em
He doesn't do injury prevention or rehabilitation
He don't even negotiate crazy payroll demands for HACKS

THATS GEOFFREY
Really simple
Club let bucks down as a player and the same continues as a coach

What a unbalanced unrealistic list we have
Inexperienced
Under developed

Nothing in the cupboards either

Did bucks approve
Broomhead to rookie
Dunn
Reid
Varcoe
Did bucks come back fat as a pig AGAIN
You realise we started this year with 9 guys no chance of contribution
5 guys unfit ltis
And 3 guys who missed Preseason

No planning
No structure

 

[Darkyprotector]

There have been some head scratching decisions over the last few years that's for sure but I don't think we are out of the window yet. I am just as frustrated as everyone else but at the end of the day if we can add 2MP and Gunston to our list all of the sudden our forward line takes on a new dimension. There will be changes to our forward set up, there has to be, but if we get a good run with injury then we are still a chance

Wright is not the answer
Another hack
Another list clogger
Brown will be too

Gunston just won their b&f ouch and will cost far too much in$ and trade
[PLAYERCARD]Tom McDonald[/PLAYERCARD] and Jaydon hunt. Step 1
Trade Treloar anywhere and draft
Trade Lynch and get Cameron west coast

 

[Darkyprotector]

Yep, there have been misses as well as hits. Its the way of the world. I'm just looking forward optimistically.

My optimism is over
Clubs self imploded and doesn't want to address the sloppy tasteless meal it offers
Doesn't have the balls

Sack Walsh
Sack Harvey
Clear Treloar

Show stepho and whe video of their half hearted efforts and offer them both retirement and or pay reductions
Resign pendels on minimum money as he's been well looked after
Use his extensive promo money on others

Rekin he's made enough surely and time for that heavily reduced contract

All the above should happen

None will

 

[Darkyprotector]

Get a decent football manager

Don't accept mediocrity

 

[Spuddd]

My optimism is over
Clubs self imploded and doesn't want to address the sloppy tasteless meal it offers
Doesn't have the balls

Sack Walsh
Sack Harvey
Clear Treloar

Show stepho and whe video of their half hearted efforts and offer them both retirement and or pay reductions
Resign pendels on minimum money as he's been well looked after
Use his extensive promo money on others

Rekin he's made enough surely and time for that heavily reduced contract

All the above should happen

None will

Whilst I agree with a lot of the decisions that need to be made - one thing you haven't factored in is the morale of the playing group.

All of these actions don't provide too much certainty or clarity for players. Effectively saying if you get sick/injured (Stevo/Treloar), bad luck we have games of footy to win. If you have been a loyal servant and one of our best players for the best part of a decade, the best we can do it offer you minimum chips and take away promo opportunities (Pendles)

That attitude might have worked in years gone by, but with the nature of society these days.

That's the playing group.

The hierarchy including coaches and assistant coaches shouldn't be offered the same leeway though, in fact they should be paid and rewarded based solely on games won and lost. I agree we need a broom through the coaching dept.

 

[Darkyprotector]

Whilst I agree with a lot of the decisions that need to be made - one thing you haven't factored in is the morale of the playing group.

All of these actions don't provide too much certainty or clarity for players. Effectively saying if you get sick/injured (Stevo/Treloar), bad luck we have games of footy to win. If you have been a loyal servant and one of our best players for the best part of a decade, the best we can do it offer you minimum chips and take away promo opportunities (Pendles)

That attitude might have worked in years gone by, but with the nature of society these days.

That's the playing group.

The hierarchy including coaches and assistant coaches shouldn't be offered the same leeway though, in fact they should be paid and rewarded based solely on games won and lost. I agree we need a broom through the coaching dept.

Morale

Well we didn't worry about that in the past
Once it was unheard off for Collingwood tragics to play for other clubs

Since 2018
Hunt melbourne resigned
Lynch
Cameron
Petracca
All Collingwood tragics
All playing elsewhere

Meanwhile we have this
No leadership
A basket case

I'd go further if I may
Drastic times
Pendelbury minimal money 2 years then list management
Sidebottom trade
Thomas trade for
Treloar trade
Whe trade
Stepho trade
Beam's retire
Langdon retire

You don't play any more
Mayne whe ,Thomas ,stepho

Get rid of the deadwood

Recruit hungry hard players and go back to our roots

If bucks can't inspire aggressive play get burns

 

[manicpie]

Wright is not the answer
Another hack
Another list clogger
Brown will be too

Gunston just won their b&f ouch and will cost far too much in$ and trade
[PLAYERCARD]Tom McDonald[/PLAYERCARD] and Jaydon hunt. Step 1
Trade Treloar anywhere and draft
Trade Lynch and get Cameron west coast

I know, I'm just hoping, but a big yes for cameron

 

[jackcass]

My calls Walsh

What I'm saying is 2018 appears to be a outrider
Hell of a job by the coaching staff
Hell of a job

Not supported by list management
By recruitment
By tactical off the field intelligent planning

Then consider our injury prevention/rehabilitation history

To me that's all on Mr Walsh

It can hardly be called an "outrider" when we went within a kick of getting into the GF the following year.

 

[Spuddd]

Morale

Well we didn't worry about that in the past
Once it was unheard off for Collingwood tragics to play for other clubs

Since 2018
Hunt melbourne resigned
Lynch
Cameron
Petracca
All Collingwood tragics
All playing elsewhere

Meanwhile we have this
No leadership
A basket case

I'd go further if I may
Drastic times
Pendelbury minimal money 2 years then list management
Sidebottom trade
Thomas trade for
Treloar trade
Whe trade
Stepho trade
Beam's retire
Langdon retire

You don't play any more
Mayne whe ,Thomas ,stepho

Get rid of the deadwood

Recruit hungry hard players and go back to our roots

If bucks can't inspire aggressive play get burns

Unfortunately you don't create a place that "Collingwood Tragic's" want to go to by pushing a broom through the playing department.

There are a lot of holes in our list, I agree, but there are holes on every list - winning papers over these cracks.

Coaches and Administration need to be cleansed first.

 

[jackcass]

Im sure he is going to be a very good player for us but not sure where this is coming from. He's been tipped to go 15 -25 ranges fwiw.

Some pretty handy players plucked in that 15-25 range over the last few drafts. Duursma, Rowbottom, Balta, Clark, Higgins, Starcevich, Allen.

 

[jackcass]

Problem will be that Eddie will re-sign Bucks before next season starts because he doesnt want his expiring contract to be a distraction for the team.

Signing Bucks won't preclude his departure at the end of 2021 if that's what the club wants to do.

 

[jackcass]

I hear that we all have variations of opinions.
Have faith in the youth.
Trust blah blah, coz blah blah saved and served us so well over such a period of time.
Insanity.
Well, theatre will repeat the above if we accept it...

Or is it that the lack of trust has resulted in us bringing in the Lynch, White, Russell types, rather than having the faith and patience to persist with youth.

 

[loki04]

Some pretty handy players plucked in that 15-25 range over the last few drafts. Duursma, Rowbottom, Balta, Clark, Higgins, Starcevich, Allen.

No world beaters though.

I again wasn't saying he wont be a VERY GOOD player for us. In fact I did say that he will likely be a VERY GOOD player for us.


Meant the description he will be a world beater Cripps, Pendles and Bont all rolled into one.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Positive out of that surely Bucks would have to go then

I don’t see that as a positive.

 

[Matt_352]

I don’t see that as a positive.

Then you're blind

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Then you're blind

I’m not blind mate, just not the armchair expert you obviously are.

 

[Matt_352]

I’m not blind mate, just not the armchair expert you obviously are.

Lol ok what ever you say old sport

 

[JLC]

“I think the way the game is played and the way it is being contested and defended, the bigger more cumbersome forwards are not your answer. - [PLAYERCARD]Nathan Buckley[/PLAYERCARD] post game against Geelong

He referred to Dixon and Hawkins. He failed to mention Kennedy and. Lynch. All of whom played for top 4 teams (Wce 5th) and are a large reason for their success. The other top four team has recruited Daniher.

Clarkson knows, he went and recruited Patton. Saints and the Suns have a King each.

Yet our Nathan knows best.

That is the biggest reality check. Buckley has zero interest in recruiting a powerful forward and kicking goals. To him football is a contest and it’s about defending.

So we ain’t recruiting shit whether it be during trade week or the draft.

 

[Darkyprotector]

It can hardly be called an "outrider" when we went within a kick of getting into the GF the following year.

And next year

And this year
Gws backwards
Us backwards
Swans backwards
North backwards
Adelaide backwards
Hawks backwards
Essendon backwards
All these teams are or will be past us next year
Port
Carlton
Melb
Suns
Lions
Cats
Eagles
Freo
Tigers
Dogs
Saints
So we're a 11 or 12 team
Going nowhere
We missed out on Lynch 2 flags
We've now missed. Cameron next 2

Which shows me we should have picked naughton as a start

We will never ever get a better opportunity
To fix this mess
We have a possible couple of free hits
We need to get into this and next years draft high to bring home the bacon
My plan
2020 draft
Two firsts and McInnes
2021
2 firsts and daicos

Start building for the future

The presents shot

And it's obvious

 

[domus]

There have been some head scratching decisions over the last few years that's for sure but I don't think we are out of the window yet. I am just as frustrated as everyone else but at the end of the day if we can add 2MP and Gunston to our list all of the sudden our forward line takes on a new dimension. There will be changes to our forward set up, there has to be, but if we get a good run with injury then we are still a chance

Why would you ever expect this to change? I have been waiting for ten years. It really is unbelievable. I am sure it will continue as history is an excellent teacher. Richmond, on the other hand, always have their best 22 up and running when the whips are cracking and will continue to do so given this has been happening for years. Even when they weren't contending they rarely had debilitating injuries to key players.

 

[domus]

I have lost faith in Buck's coaching. I think he's a lovely bloke, but his ability to waffle at press conferences has worn thin. His approach to footy is quite depressing. He can cite stats about how many times we play on but I will rely on my eyes. There were two games I recall where we just played on instinct and took the game on. Round one against the Dogs and the final against the Eagles. Everything else was a grinding bore-even the wins. It's a sad state of affairs when you are left frustrated when you win games of footy.

I know things could be happening away from the prying eyes of the media with regard to recruiting, but I can only hope. The total absence of any player being even a remote chance of coming to our club just adds to the feeling that we are just treading water. People talk about Reef and he may well be a gun but Matt Rendell said this is the deepest draft he has seen with something for everyone. We may get one good player while Geelong and others look like getting multiple early picks in this talent rich draft.

 

[Visions]

I prefer to focus on the exciting and talented new players who will be playing for us next season.

Guys like Reef McInnes, who sounds like a world-beater. Guys like Daicos the younger, who likewise has a HUGE reputation and I suspect will be a ready-made rolled gold 1st XVIII player.

Not to mention the big improvers we already have on our list - eg [PLAYERCARD]Josh Daicos[/PLAYERCARD]: this guy is classy and came on in leaps and bounds last season, I'll be very interested in his progress next season.

There are plenty of other good news story players on our list too - eg [PLAYERCARD]Mason Cox[/PLAYERCARD], who appears to be over his eyesight worries and appears that the coaching he has recived about using his body in marking contests is starting to sink in. Jezza Howe back from injury and fit again! Can't wait!

It's not all doom and gloom.

Nick Daicos is not playing for us next season. Agree with improvement in Josh and I would throw IQ in there too, but others like the Browns have been a bust, and our main forward in Cox will be 30 before the season starts next year. Future isn't exactly glowing. In fact its downright grim.

We need to improve and to do that we need to recruit decent players. The top teams don't have a problem and are able to recruit top line talent, yet even though we are a run of the mill middle ladder team there isn't even the money to keep our current players, let alone bring in what we need (because we have blown the budget on mediocre players across the board). It showed last season where we were quiet in trade week and will be so again.

The mismanagement of this club is on another level. If it were a publicly traded company, head would have rolled with the board. Instead we get mates looking after each other with no repercussions. Its been this way for years and a lot of supporters have either turned a blind eye, or have been hoodwinked. Thankfully the tide seems to be turning and they are slowly waking up and seeing it for what it is.

 

[Darkyprotector]

I have lost faith in Buck's coaching. I think he's a lovely bloke, but his ability to waffle at press conferences has worn thin. His approach to footy is quite depressing. He can cite stats about how many times we play on but I will rely on my eyes. There were two games I recall where we just played on instinct and took the game on. Round one against the Dogs and the final against the Eagles. Everything else was a grinding bore-even the wins. It's a sad state of affairs when you are left frustrated when you win games of footy.

I know things a could be happening away from the prying eyes of the media with regard to recruiting, but I can only hope. The total absence of any player being even a remote chance of coming to our club just adds to the feeling that we are just treading water. People talk about Reef and he may well be a gun but Matt Rendell said this is the deepest draft he has seen with something for everyone. We may get one good player while Geelong and others look like getting multiple early picks in this talent rich draft.

Exactly right

To get something we need to give up something

Holes everywhere

We need to hit the draft

I'd suggest Cox will play to mid 30s easily

Trade Elliott , Treloar, stepho, de goey, Lynch and mihochek if he wants too much

Bring in
Cameron west coast
Gunston
McDonald
Hunt
2 first rounders
McInnes

 

[jackcass]

And next year

And this year
Gws backwards
Us backwards
Swans backwards
North backwards
Adelaide backwards
Hawks backwards
Essendon backwards
All these teams are or will be past us next year
Port
Carlton
Melb
Suns
Lions
Cats
Eagles
Freo
Tigers
Dogs
Saints
So we're a 11 or 12 team
Going nowhere
We missed out on Lynch 2 flags
We've now missed. Cameron next 2

Which shows me we should have picked naughton as a start

We will never ever get a better opportunity
To fix this mess
We have a possible couple of free hits
We need to get into this and next years draft high to bring home the bacon
My plan
2020 draft
Two firsts and McInnes
2021
2 firsts and daicos

Start building for the future

The presents shot

And it's obvious

Next year hasn’t been written.