Rebuilding Our Recruiting Department

[HBF]

This thing has others' fingerprints on it.

No way have Mathieson and MLG the intel to confidently earmark a recruiter.

Wright

SOS

Wonder who is 3rd on their shopping list.
Rogers has done a good job in the 2 years he has been RM.
If these halfwits stopped and looked at who he recruited, they'd be pretty happy IMO.
Our problems go back to when Wayne Hughes was in charge - Lucas, Watson & Bootsma..

 

[Navy_Blue_Blood]

Guys/Girls first time poster so please be gentle.

I totally agree that there needs to be a meeting of members to sort this out. Someone suggested you need a rival ticket - you don't. You can call a meeting and call for a spill of all board positions and then give people time to nominate. This lets everyone who is interested in serving as a director state their case.

Usually you get the 100 members to demand a meeting in 45 days time and then give prospective directors 14 days to send a nomination form to the club.

I am not a sports lawyer, but I am a commercial lawyer and have done this stuff for many clients that are listed companies, private companies etc. If people think there is a good prospect of getting 100 signatures then I am happy to do the legal documents pro bono. But it means actually putting your real name to paper saying I wish to do xyz.

You could also propose other resolutions like banning the use of poker machines (I don't support this).

 

[LordLucifer]

Websites only list fulltimers.

"Our full-timers Luke Williams, Michael Jordan, Wayne Hughes and myself, together with Ross Parker in Perth"

"Our part-timers have also increased from 13 to 21 and we have representation in every state of Australia . . . our four scouts in South Australia are part-timers"

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-07-31/the-network-how-carltons-recruiting-system-works

Reading that article is a breath of fresh air, looks like we may be on the right track now even though we can never have enough people in the recruiting network.

 

[Navy_Blue_Blood]

As for Shane Rogers drafting - jury is out on whether he has been successful or not. You cannot call it either way - it is far too soon. Menzel is a gun and will be a gun. Others like Giles, Cripps etc way too early to tell. You could compare his past two years to the results of other recruiters during that same period and I have no idea where he would sit. But in my view you can't compare a draft class reasonably for 5 years.

Does that mean he cannot be replaced? No if we identified a recruiter with a proven track record I am all for getting the best. But for it to leak in this way is pathetic.

As others have noted most of our problems relate to Hughes, but it took far too long to determine that Hughes was a cancer.

 

[Azul]

Wright

SOS

Wonder who is 3rd on their shopping list.

What were the circumstances for Luke Williams leaving?

Not saying we want him back at the club but if he didn't see i2i with Swann, Sticks and Rogers but has the inside word on what Macca and Mick want at draft time...

 

[Aphrodite]

Websites only list fulltimers.

"Our full-timers Luke Williams, Michael Jordan, Wayne Hughes and myself, together with Ross Parker in Perth"

"Our part-timers have also increased from 13 to 21 and we have representation in every state of Australia . . . our four scouts in South Australia are part-timers"

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-07-31/the-network-how-carltons-recruiting-system-works

That article was from 2013 last year.

Luke Williams is no longer at the CFC & his name has been removed from the Staff List.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/executive-and-staff

 

[Moody Blue]

When Dick Pratt took over the club he did it in a classy way. He made it clear that if he was to be President he could not work with a number of people on the Board and that they had to go. There was no leaking or sensationalist stuff. Within hours of becoming President he kept his word and the club started the long climb back and he went about his business professionally until his passing.

Mathieson is a reincarnate of John Elliott who through his arrogance and self importance nearly ensured the extinction of this great club. There is no culture at Carlton at the present time. There are a bunch of people all desperately trying to save their jobs starting from the players to the doorman. One by one the good people will leave the club and the mercenaries will start circling looking for the big pay day just like they did at Richmond in the 80's. Eddie McGuire love him or hate him has done one hell of a job at Collingwood because he has got everyone pulling together in the same direction. They have reached and even surpassed their potential, whilst Carlton has become a club devoid of any original thought and desperately trying to copy Collingwood's blueprint.
Unfortunately Carlton's brand is the cheap Chinese copy you buy at the $2.00 store. For goodness sake we were running around minutes before the game against Geelong changing shorts like it was an Ammo's game. Probably sums up Carlton at the moment, running around like a bunch of headless chooks.

 

[Sector 7G]

As for Shane Rogers drafting - jury is out on whether he has been successful or not. You cannot call it either way - it is far too soon. Menzel is a gun and will be a gun. Others like Giles, Cripps etc way too early to tell. You could compare his past two years to the results of other recruiters during that same period and I have no idea where he would sit. But in my view you can't compare a draft class reasonably for 5 years.

Does that mean he cannot be replaced? No if we identified a recruiter with a proven track record I am all for getting the best. But for it to leak in this way is pathetic.

As others have noted most of our problems relate to Hughes, but it took far too long to determine that Hughes was a cancer.

The reality is that unless you are inside the club and have also seen how it works elsewhere it is hard to pass judgement.

Who knows if Luke Williams had very frank exit interview with Swann and then Swann and Malthouse have gone to the Board and said we need to replace Rogers.

Only thing we do know is that it is not being well handled. Though in the article this mornings papers it sounded like Wright was keen to move for big money but Hawthorn wouldn't let him out the contract he just renegotiated.

 

[Navy_Blue_Blood]

Not here to protect Hughes but to be fair to the deal we have to talk about this period as the Hughes Tenure and not just Hughes.
Wayne Hughes was a very accommodating individual and may have just accommodated a little too much, possibly to his own detriment.

The Lucas selection cops a lot of flack and it will continue to do so but just imagine if we had have dropped picks 8 & 9 on players that haven't come on just as much............Imagine.............The team currently on the top of the ladder had those selections and used them on Butcher & Moore.

Mate Hughes was the head recruiter - buck stops with him.

I realise the point you are making and it is easy to look at individual picks in insolation and justify one way or the other. Personally I was stunned Lucas did not go at pick 7 in that draft - I rated him at 6 and Talia at 8. However, given our list at the time I would have picked Talia as the gap was not huge.

But all that said there is no way you can see Hughes time as anything less than a disaster.

The point though is even the best recruiters will stuff up draft picks - it is the overall trend that matters.

 

[Boltfromtheblue]

Pretty sure that Juddy gets 3 votes.

 

[Quazza]

Websites only list fulltimers.

"Our full-timers Luke Williams, Michael Jordan, Wayne Hughes a"


http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-07-31/the-network-how-carltons-recruiting-system-works

jeez, would go alright in the ruck I reckon

 

[Navy_Blue_Blood]

Of course it does but didn't you read what I wrote.
Recruiters liaise with coaches and maybe Hughes liaised a little too much. Simple.

Port also selected selected Jacobs at pick #16 the following year.
That's two years of messing up but the fact that they've put their game together keeps their recruiting away from scrutiny.

Recruiting is important but so is development.

We are a unity ticket on this.

I mean how good did Bower look in his first two years?

Our development has stunk like a big pile of cow turds. I think a lot of that stems from a lack of leadership in senior ranks largely because of the salary cap penalties.

It may be that Murphy/Gibbs/Kreuz miss out on a flag but set up the culture for buckley, menzel etc as senior players to win one in 7-10 years.

 

[etsal1]

Calm down you lot, you swallowed caro's bait hook line and sinker.

In a few months loGiodice has done more to overhaul the recruiting dept than kernahan did in years, and no changes have even be made!

I for one am pleased to finally see the aggression back and a president that is willing to make moves instead of sitting on his hands.

Of course there will be leaks, we are in the middle of a handover, and a reluctant president and CEO being moved on...

What the hell are you on about?

 

[etsal1]

If you can't be bothered looking through the whole constitution etsal1, then on the membership website under each type of membership it tells you whether or not you have voting rights. Eg. Captains Club Reserved has voting rights for those over 18

That's me.

I'm in!

Let's get these morons out of the club!

 

[FoeverBlues]

Not here to protect Hughes but to be fair to the deal we have to talk about this period as the Hughes Tenure and not just Hughes.
Wayne Hughes was a very accommodating individual and may have just accommodated a little too much, possibly to his own detriment.

The Lucas selection cops a lot of flack and it will continue to do so but just imagine if we had have dropped picks 8 & 9 on players that haven't come on just as much............Imagine.............The team currently on the top of the ladder had those selections and used them on Butcher & Moore.

With my eagle-eyes hindsight, and bugger all recruiting knowledge, imaging if we picked up:

Tippet instead of Hampson - Forward
Talia and Fyfe instead of Lucas and McLean - Def and mid
Darling and Parker instead of Watson and McCarthy - CH Forward and Hard mid

I think early trade commit to McLean and drafted Lucas stuffed up our recruiting plans for the next few years. We needed a quality KPP with Fev just traded out and we went for 2 mids with a quality KPD sitting there. The next year we forced to go bananas with three talls.

I am not here to pot players nor recruting staffs, just day dreaming for a more balance list and a better recruting plans

 

[Kensa Carter]

With my eagle-eyes hindsight, and bugger all recruiting knowledge, imaging if we picked up.

LoGiudice looking to buy one of these from you champ?

 

[BluStreak]

Harker what are you doing at the moment.

Could you spare a couple of hours a week and be the President?

I am wondering if Thy could handle the CEO position with Dram as the head development coach.
I would get MSR as Football manager with Lemming as Head recruiter.
Zee as head of player welfare and MEB as head of memberships (she has like 00's)

 

[Nut_Sacks]

Wright

SOS

Wonder who is 3rd on their shopping list.
Rogers has done a good job in the 2 years he has been RM.
If these halfwits stopped and looked at who he recruited, they'd be pretty happy IMO.
Our problems go back to when Wayne Hughes was in charge - Lucas, Watson & Bootsma..

How do you know he's done a good job?
I takes years before you can assess recruiting.

Menzel is a gun, but it was an abvious choice. Whats else has been good about the recruiting that stands out to you??

 

[FoeverBlues]

I think it's fine to pot when one has all the facts or at least enough first hand info in order to make a considered opinion.
Whichever way though most roads lead to the same destiny...............the board.

Once you have the right people at the top with the right agenda and systems in place, the rest flows.
The board appoint the right CEO who has a hand in appointing the right football manager who then has a hand in getting the right coach and recruiters, who then have a hand in recruiting the right players and development teams etc etc.....................Easy.

It is very easy to pot with the benefit of great hindsight but do we really know what Hughes and co got to work with or just watch dvd footages and coach has final say etc?...
Scotland was saying they literally had to bring their own footballs to training when he first got to us

 

[FoeverBlues]

How do you know he's done a good job?
I takes years before you can assess recruiting.

Menzel is a gun, but it was an abvious choice. Whats else has been good about the recruiting that stands out to you??

it take gut and hindsight to make Menzel choice an obvious.

 

[BM123]

How do you know he's done a good job?
I takes years before you can assess recruiting.

Menzel is a gun, but it was an abvious choice. Whats else has been good about the recruiting that stands out to you??

Menzel was predicted to go in the top 3 and Wells said that he would have picked Menzel with pick 1 if he could have. We got him at pick 11 which suggests that he wasn't a "obvious choice".

 

[FoeverBlues]

Menzel was predicted to go in the top 3 and Wells said that he would have picked Menzel with pick 1 if he could have. We got him at pick 11 which suggests that he wasn't a "obvious choice".

I think it is simple in hindsight to say that certain pick was an obvious choice. Menzel could turn out to be a "Joe Selwood/Wingard" bargain or a so and so hf at draft time. Not all top ten potential turned out to be stars, other wise why clubs spend thousand of dollars on recruits..

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not sure i believe what was written but unprofessional regardless.

Synbad and his sidekicks seem to enjoy themselves big time over the club crisis :-(

Synbad has been agitating for the removal of Sticks and Swann for ages. He can't then turn his attention to the replacement hierarchy. Just a nuclear who thinks he should be in power, the way he talks.

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[Nut_Sacks]

Menzel was predicted to go in the top 3 and Wells said that he would have picked Menzel with pick 1 if he could have. We got him at pick 11 which suggests that he wasn't a "obvious choice".

Exactly my point.

Everyone knew he was quality, we just took the risk. There was never a question about his football ability. Its not like we identified a talent that no one else did.

 

[FoeverBlues]

Exactly my point.

Everyone knew he was quality, we just took the risk. There was never a question about his football ability. Its not like we identified a talent that no one else did.

I glad we took that professional calculated risk