Pretty poor headline then.This article discusses one aspect of recessions.
Only one.
Who believes this is the only aspect that should ever be considered? Name them.
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Pretty poor headline then.This article discusses one aspect of recessions.
Only one.
Who believes this is the only aspect that should ever be considered? Name them.
The article doesn't differentiate between lockdowns and typical economic downturns. A hard lockdown involves many facets other than economics including isolation from social networks and common environments used for physical activity such as gyms, beaches, and parks.This article discusses one aspect of recessions.
Only one.
Who believes this is the only aspect that should ever be considered? Name them.
And right now we arent in recession. The economy has been growing since q3. I.e. The recession started and ended in July.Yes that is definitely worth considering.
Right now, nobody is in hard lockdown are they? Where is SA at?
No Not really. Whilst gdp is positively related to happiness it certainly isnt a substitute for it.Everybody's happy!
The consequences of economic collapses are so complex and messy that trying to extract a single resulting mortality figure is fairly futile.
It didnt kill victorians who did it for 6 months. You are being a tad melodramatic.We are about to see. Its extremely likely that lockdowns in Europe and the USA will kill a substantial amount of people for a whole host of reasons (some related to economics but a huge number related to non treatment of survivable conditions). Hard to separate the two though.
Looking at the latest UK numbers, the memes going around about a 200% increase in suicides were just fake. Made up by someone with an agenda, no doubt.We are about to see. Its extremely likely that lockdowns in Europe and the USA will kill a substantial amount of people for a whole host of reasons (some related to economics but a huge number related to non treatment of survivable conditions). Hard to separate the two though.
It didnt kill victorians who did it for 6 months. You are being a tad melodramatic.
Looking at the latest UK numbers, the memes going around about a 200% increase in suicides were just fake. Made up by someone with an agenda, no doubt.
Scotland deaths from cancer and heart disease have shifted to home rather than hospital with not many more non-Covid deaths overall.
These figures are interesting.Looking at the latest UK numbers, the memes going around about a 200% increase in suicides were just fake. Made up by someone with an agenda, no doubt.
UK suicides in 2020 are up on a low 2019 number, but in line with 2018. Not good, but not a torrent of deaths as spruiked in social media.
Scotland deaths from cancer and heart disease have shifted to home rather than hospital with not many more non-Covid deaths overall.
So it sounds like the headline should read "fewer car trips cause a lot fewer deaths", because that's the real cause, the recession and lockdown is just one way in which that can happen. In keeping with that, I'd like to see big investments being made by the government into ensuring there is a permanently lesser need for car trips, such as a full fibre NBN (thanks LNP, you good-for-nothing bungling pricks) and encouraging more trips to be made by walking, public transport and cycling in lanes segregated from road traffic.Today a team led by Kadir Atalay from the University of Sydney report on an examination of death records dating back to 1979 that shows that, if anything, Australia’s recessions have saved lives.
Young people, especially young men, are less likely to die in road accidents in recessions. In this recession even more so, because of the way in which lockdowns and working from home have kept cars off the roads.
Um you get even more people will avoid hospitals if theyre overrun with covid patients. Thats the reason some people are avoiding going to the hospital. You are actually making a case for stronger social distancing measures so people with other medical issues dont avoid hospitals. My wife is a covid doctor. The numbers of non covid patients fell dramatically when there were covid cases in the community. Once social distancing and border policies were employed the patient numbers returned to normal.It will kill vast numbers in Europe. There will also be an effect in Victoria. Hardly being melodromatic. Governments have made a conscious decision to value the lives of the very elderly above those with decades to live.
4.4m cancer scans missed after hospitals told to cancel non-essential appointments during lockdown
One in seven people are now waiting more than three months for a scan as the NHS attempts to clear a backlog of appointmentswww.telegraph.co.uk
4.4m cancer scans missed after hospitals told to cancel non-essential appointments during lockdown
Vic Minister fears heart attack, stroke victims avoiding treatment due to coronavirus
The number of people presenting to Victorian emergency department to seek treatment for stroke is down 24 per cent, and for heart attacks it's down 18 per cent, prompting Victoria's Health Minister to urge people not to delay care because "hospitals are safe".www.abc.net.au
Hospitals are reporting a "concerning" decline in the number of Victorians seeking treatment for heart attacks and strokes, as well as essential cancer screening, during the state's coronavirus second wave.
That's not saving lives, that's making no change."The team found no evidence of more deaths from heart disease, respiratory disease, pneumonia, flu or suicide during recessions."
The public transport system in Melbourne is poor unless you live within walking distance of a train station and your destination is within walking distance of a train station. How much would it cost to bring the public transport system to a level of quality and service whereby people prefer it over their cars?So it sounds like the headline should read "fewer car trips cause a lot fewer deaths", because that's the real cause, the recession and lockdown is just one way in which that can happen. In keeping with that, I'd like to see big investments being made by the government into ensuring there is a permanently lesser need for car trips, such as a full fibre NBN (thanks LNP, you good-for-nothing bungling pricks) and encouraging more trips to be made by walking, public transport and cycling in lanes segregated from road traffic.
More walking trips could be achieved with mixed use developments, reducing the cost of property so that more people can afford to live near where they work, and increased density so people don't have to drive to supermarkets. Public transport investments are happening in most big cities, but they could be so much greater. Both Sydney and Melbourne are simultaneously throwing billions into more road tunnels that will just increase the number of car trips. I expect that kind of hare-brained nonsense from the LNP, but I'm particularly disappointed in Daniel Andrews, who is undoing all his good work in the public transport sphere with the West Gate Tunnel. His very cozy relationship with Transurban should be scrutinised by a corruption watchdog.
I'd be very surprised if mental health issues didn't spike during the Melbourne lockdown.Seriously, I was on board with the idea of “death from fear of Covid” being a serious issue, same for mental health issues and suicide.
It doesn’t seem to have happened on a big scale that I can see.
I am probably wrong about just about everything I believe, though.
I don't know, but I'm willing to try. That doesn't mean everywhere needs to be within walking distance of a train station, but it would require a lot more buses to ensure that train-bus connections of good frequency exist so people can get anywhere easily. Maybe even trams, I see no big reason why all trams in Melbourne have to go through the city.The public transport system in Melbourne is poor unless you live within walking distance of a train station and your destination is within walking distance of a train station. How much would it cost to bring the public transport system to a level of quality and service whereby people prefer it over their cars?
Pandemics are temporary. Congestion will return in time.Given the covid situation and fear in the community, public transport is even less appealing to many.
Regardless of what they run on, private vehicles create congestion. Building more roads is not a solution to congestion. Any civil engineer worth their salt will tell you that.The push towards electric cars and renewable energy is an environmentally friendly alternative that I prefer.
Which is a great misconception to dispel, but any actual saving of lives actually comes from fewer car trips.Yes. Against the theory that it causes more deaths from things like that.