Redo the 1998 Draft

[Jhye Clark 13]

On what planet was Mark McVeigh a better footballer than Brady Rawlings?

On what planet was Rawlings a footballer.

 

[liam_13]

Like I said earlier there are playing roles within the coaching structures that make certain players integral to the sides performance. Bomber played one of those role continually and with applomb.

That settles it - he's a superstar and should be ahead of Lenny Hayes in this thread.

How is that classified as an attack. Seriously, you must be fairly insecure.

'Attack' may have been the wrong word. But no not insecure - just pointing out that you clearly can not handle a reasonable debate, as those 4 comments back up (much like statistics). Leading to my point that I should have never bothered replying in the first place (in too deep to stop now though)

I beg to differ

Top stuff. I thought you said goodbye. Just had to get that last word in..

On what planet was Mark McVeigh a better footballer than Brady Rawlings?

The planet on which he was actually a very good player - just had injuries that always got to him at the wrong time. I would draft him ahead hoping that the talent showed up more and the injuries showed up less

Seriously, I love Rawlings as much as the next guy. He even grew up 5 minutes from my home town, and as a 12-15 year old he was the player I most enjoyed to watch, because he handled tagging without the shit campaigner moves that someone like Steve Baker had. But he never had the natural talent (do work ethic and leadership count as talent?? I guess they could), whereas McVeigh showed time and time again he could be a very good midfielder - 2008 my case in point.

 

[Schulzenfest]

On what planet was Rawlings a footballer.

Not a fan of Cameron Ling then?

I do like that you defend Wojcinski by talking about roles and then immediately have a crack at Rawlings. Rawlings played his role far better than Wojcinski ever did.

 

[liam_13]

On what planet was Rawlings a footballer.

Clearly you don't understand football - there are playing roles within the coaching structures that make certain players integral to the sides performance. Brady played one of those role continually and with applomb. He played it so well he won 3 Best&Fairests - yes the North teams didn't win premierships but they weren't dead last, so he must have been a decent enough footballer.

Oh ffs, I replied to you again.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

McVeigh was a spud.

 

[liam_13]

Not a fan of Cameron Ling then?
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Mate, do you even understand football? There are playing roles within the coaching structures that make certain players integral to the sides performance. Cameron Ling played one of those role continually and with applomb

 

[liam_13]

McVeigh was a spud.

I always thought he was one of the better footballers at Essendon recently - but seriously, do you even understand football? There are playing roles within the coaching structures that make certain players integral to the sides performance. Mark McVeigh played one of those role continually and with applomb

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Not a fan of Cameron Ling then?

I do like that you defend Wojcinski by talking about roles and then immediately have a crack at Rawlings. Rawlings played his role far better than Wojcinski ever did.

You've gone ahead and compared a 3 time premiership player (premiership captain) to a battler in a woeful side.

Well done.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

I always thought he was one of the better footballers at Essendon recently - but seriously, do you even understand football? There are playing roles within the coaching structures that make certain players integral to the sides performance. Mark McVeigh played one of those role continually and with applomb

You're paying far too much attention to the society pages.

Rawlings was a class above McVeigh as a footballer.

 

[liam_13]

You're paying far too much attention to the society pages.

Rawlings was a class above McVeigh as a footballer.

I don't even know what you mean about society pages? Seriously, what are they?

I still think McVeigh had more 'natural talent'.

 

[Schauermann]

Pavlich was eligible for the draft in 1998. I think he would be taken 1 or 2, if the clubs had their time again.

This is a strange one. Surely nobody can foresee the future, but from not chosen to #4 is quite an improvement. Talent had to be there already. And there are quite some key position player who don't play seniors in their first year when it is about maturity of body. Any known reason he was not picked?

 

[goodie23]

This is a strange one. Surely nobody can foresee the future, but from not chosen to #4 is quite an improvement. Talent had to be there already. And there are quite some key position player who don't play seniors in their first year when it is about maturity of body. Any known reason he was not picked?

If I remember right clubs were only allowed to draft one 17 year old back then. He may have been rated, just wasn't regarded as one of the top sixteen 17 year olds in the country.

 

[Schauermann]

If I remember right clubs were only allowed to draft one 17 year old back then. He may have been rated, just wasn't regarded as one of the top sixteen 17 year olds in the country.

Ok.

He would have been really young if drafted in 1998 anyway. Was wondering about that, too. Not many under 18 debutants even in those years...

 

[fishardansin]

Would pick Rama with the first pick for bombers everytime. Was on the way to be a star until cancer got in the way. Despite this making us lose a good player the way he handled it gave us one very good story in one of the worst patches of our history.

Absolute legend of a man.

 

[Weiterbot23]

If you had a crystal ball, you'd take fev 1 and sit on him behaviour wise from day 1. Imagine how good he would have been!!!

Nothing against Hayes but fev could have been a 75 plus goal kicker a year for 8-10 years if he was handled properly from the start.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

If you had a crystal ball, you'd take fev 1 and sit on him behaviour wise from day 1. Imagine how good he would have been!!!

Nothing against Hayes but fev could have been a 75 plus goal kicker a year for 8-10 years if he was handled properly from the start.

People weren't to know in 1998 that the world was going to go completely batshit crazy.

Was has Fevola done that was so bad, had a leak and got pissed? So what.

 

[goodie23]

If you had a crystal ball, you'd take fev 1 and sit on him behaviour wise from day 1. Imagine how good he would have been!!!

Nothing against Hayes but fev could have been a 75 plus goal kicker a year for 8-10 years if he was handled properly from the start.

Or he might have gone back to suburban football so he could enjoy night life. It's rare but it's happened

 

[Ed D]

People weren't to know in 1998 that the world was going to go completely batshit crazy.

Was has Fevola done that was so bad, had a leak and got pissed? So what.

From my understanding the club knew pretty early on what Fevola was like and didn't deal with it. Wayne Brittain was going to sack Fevola but got the arse himself.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Pavlich was eligible for the draft in 1998. I think he would be taken 1 or 2, if the clubs had their time again.

Not Richmond.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

You've gone ahead and compared a 3 time premiership player (premiership captain) to a battler in a woeful side.

Well done.

No body cares about "3 Time Premiership player" last time i checked a premiership was a team effort, the fact he has 3 premiership medallions should be a MINOR point of discussion on a players career when looking back on drafts, not the be all and end all.
Yes you support Geelong, yes you one a few flags, GET OVER YOURSELF

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Lenny Hayes v Fev argument is very interesting

Fev is a freak, amazing goal scorer, Lenny Hayes is a machine
If you either didnt care about Fev's off field behaviour or were confident you could reign it in, I think you'd take Fev, otherwise Lenny would be a more than deserving first round pick

I never care what Fev did off the field and would take him a #1 but i completely understand people putting Hayes there.

 

[iGNITER]

Top 5 for players I would have loved to have seen wear the Black and White at their best

1. Brendan Fevola
2. Lenny Hayes
3. Jude Bolton
4. Des Headland
5. Brady Rawlings

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

That settles it - he's a superstar and should be ahead of Lenny Hayes in this thread.



'Attack' may have been the wrong word. But no not insecure - just pointing out that you clearly can not handle a reasonable debate, as those 4 comments back up (much like statistics). Leading to my point that I should have never bothered replying in the first place (in too deep to stop now though)



Top stuff. I thought you said goodbye. Just had to get that last word in..



The planet on which he was actually a very good player - just had injuries that always got to him at the wrong time. I would draft him ahead hoping that the talent showed up more and the injuries showed up less

Seriously, I love Rawlings as much as the next guy. He even grew up 5 minutes from my home town, and as a 12-15 year old he was the player I most enjoyed to watch, because he handled tagging without the shit silly moves that someone like Steve Baker had. But he never had the natural talent (do work ethic and leadership count as talent?? I guess they could), whereas McVeigh showed time and time again he could be a very good midfielder - 2008 my case in point.

Wojo was one of those players you don't always notice until he's not there. 2008 GF - injured, didn't play. Would have been immeasurably useful across half back when Hawthorn started kicking it up a notch in the 3rd. 2012 - Because he was coming back from injury, and because Scott was playing the kids, Wojo only got a few games - it began to show that we were really missing that run off half back, culminating in the elim final loss to Freo. Not saying that Wojo would have individually changed the result of either of those games, but his role in the structure was hugely understated and playing someone else in his place often resulted in that loss of drive.

 

[Sin City]

You've gone ahead and compared a 3 time premiership player (premiership captain) to a battler in a woeful side.

Well done.

Silly comment to make about a player who won three club best and fairests and played nearly 250 games.