Redo the 2004 Draft

[McManus2Waterhouse]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

played enough to show a lot and finish high in the 2007 rising star if i recall correctly

how come he hasnt been playing what kind of injurys he got going on

 

[good site this]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

1- Franklin
2- Deledio
3- Griffen
4- Roughead
5- Cloke
6- Lewis
7- Egan
8- Van Berlo
9- Pratt
10- Smith
11- Knights
12- Williams
13- Tambling
14- Prismall
15- Taylor
16- Maric
17- Rusling
18- T.Murphy
19- Moore
20- Rosa

Close: LeCras, Bate, Monfries, Morton, Ablett!

 

[The Cotch]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

McGuane > T.Murphy

 

[macca93]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

lol that means richmond get buddy! Score! tho im not sure i would drop lids for him...

 

[bigstyletiger]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

probably best order but griffin and deledio are even par in my book

Deledio would have to be better at this stage. Can play anywhere. Kicked 28 goals this season and averaged mid 20 posessions. AAA grade disposal and is using his pace much more than in the past. Griffen is a gun. Great sidestep. Can play in multiple positions like Lids but has been up and down and never kicked a bag. At this stage Lids is in front and i think the All Aus squad reflects that.

Add to that - Deledio just won the Army Award.

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Oh FFS get over Tambling, just because he's not AS GOOD AS BUDDY doesn't mean he isn't a very good player in his own right.

agreed. the problem is that buddy does not mean tambling is not a very good player, tambling's play means he is not a very good player.

Tambling is developing into an A-grade midfielder

nonsense.

he is developing into an ok player.

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Matthew bate far too low.

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Roughhead is too high, he's at least behind Travis Cloke and Ryan Griffin, and probably Van Berlo and Lewis.

nonsense. certain top 3.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Knights accumulates a lot of the ball but when he gets it he runs around in circles then boots it as far as he can.

I would have Prismall in front of Knights because of 2 reasons, A) Better ball use, B) Knights wouldnt crack a game in the Geelong midfield.

 

[HighettBomber]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

nonsense. certain top 3.

Nonsense, he's certainly not!

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Nonsense, he's certainly not!

well lets put it this way, someone of your calibre disagreeing validates my position nicely

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Daniel Pratt was just nominated to be AA and leads the competition this year for rebounds from 50 and yet Primsall, Slattery, Maric and Monfries ahead of him?

Because he plays for North.

Pratt should be ahead of Prismall, probably in the lower reaches of the top 10.

 

[Gooka]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Roughead kicked 70 goals this year.

Wouldn't be many other drafts that had guys who kicked this many, and they weren't No. 1. However Buddy kicked over 100.

You could argue that Roughy would've kicked 100 if he wasn't in the same team as Franklin.

I think in hindsight, Franklin & Roughead would be 1 & 2. I'd be happy to have Roughead over Griffen. KPPs who kick that many goals aren't easy to come by.

The Hawks may have drafted a flag or two that year.

 

[HighettBomber]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

well lets put it this way, someone of your calibre disagreeing validates my position nicely

And you know me so well! Have you ever seen him when he has a good defender on him, he was embarassing when Fletcher manned him up. Griffen is significantly better. If Buddy gets injured and he has to take the main roile in their forward line we will see how good he is.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

You could argue that Roughy would've kicked 100 if he wasn't in the same team as Franklin.

Could also argue he'd struggle to kick 50 without Franklin taking the opposition's 2 best defenders + everyone else preparing to leave their man when Buddy comes near.

Roughead kicked 5 against Richmond earlier in the year because his defender was more worried about helping out against Buddy.

Roughead has it very easy.

He gets 3rd rate defenders who focus on someone else, and he's playing for a team than wins 90% of the time.



Does it get any easier for a forward?

Try and think of another forward in the comp who has it easier than Roughead.

Try.

 

[JDC!]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

One thing that is for sure is that there would be no Sydney players in the top ten.

Tambling deserves to be in the top ten. He has definately shown improvement and will develop into an A-grade midfielder. He will never be as good as Buddy but he will still turn into a great footballer.

 

[Ya Can't See Me!]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Ryan Griffen has to be 2 or 3.

Agreed probably 3 not as good as Delideo, also Jordan Lewis way to low as important to Hawthron as Buddy he is more often than not the bloke who serve's it up on a plate to him

 

[Ya Can't See Me!]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Could also argue he'd struggle to kick 50 without Franklin taking the opposition's 2 best defenders + everyone else preparing to leave their man when Buddy comes near.

Roughead kicked 5 against Richmond earlier in the year because his defender was more worried about helping out against Buddy.

Roughead has it very easy.

He gets 3rd rate defenders who focus on someone else, and he's playing for a team than wins 90% of the time.



Does it get any easier for a forward
Try and think of another forward in the comp who has it easier than Roughead.

Try.

Could proably argue this for Bradshaw as well considering Brown's Coleman and dominance the year before and Bradshaw coming back from a Knee probably wasnt given enough respect. All Carlton's forwards considering Fev usually 3 or 4 on him and 3 dropping infront of him all the time.

 

[Poptart]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Roughead kicked 70 goals this year.

Wouldn't be many other drafts that had guys who kicked this many, and they weren't No. 1. However Buddy kicked over 100.

You could argue that Roughy would've kicked 100 if he wasn't in the same team as Franklin.

I think in hindsight, Franklin & Roughead would be 1 & 2. I'd be happy to have Roughead over Griffen. KPPs who kick that many goals aren't easy to come by.

The Hawks may have drafted a flag or two that year.

The Hawks went in with a plan to Build a Premiership side, and it looks to have paid off, alot of "so-called" Big Footy experts were bagging them for taking the 2 talls, well, they have come out best from that draft.

The 3 main players in this draft were Hawthorn, Bulldogs & Richmond.

Hawthorn came out best - Roughead [gun forward], Buddy [wow] & Lewis [hard in & under mid] all in the top 10 - just because they had 3 picks in the top 10, dosn't guarantee anything.

Bulldogs second - Griffen [on a par with Lids] & Williams [CHB for the next 10 years]

Then Richmond - Deledio [on a par with Griff], Tambling [outside skinny midfielder - a Terry Wallace special].

 

[Poptart]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

One thing that is for sure is that there would be no Sydney players in the top ten.

Tambling deserves to be in the top ten. He has definately shown improvement and will develop into an A-grade midfielder. He will never be as good as Buddy but he will still turn into a great footballer.

NO-ONE will be as good as Buddy, he won't be as good as Griffen or Deledio as well.

 

[mdc]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

There is some ridiculous under-rating of Roughead in this thread. Clear number 2 in this draft, though Deledio is very good too.

 

[Bluebear]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Tambling is developing into an A-grade midfielder, who cares if he's a B-grader right now when Buddy is a champion, Tambling is still currently a B-grader and much better than everyone outside the top 10.

He has done nothing until this year when he started to do something.......I'd have him along with Jordan Russell somewhere outside the top 30.

Doesn't mean they won't improve so keep your panties on......just means that ATM they are not in the top 20 of that draft. Both tracking fairly similarly actually.

Tambling done more than Williams, Monfries, Le Cras, Rosa, Bate and Pratt?

Please.

 

[robertg22]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Gee there's a lot of overrating of Lewis & Griffen in here. Franklin & Deledio are definite top 2 - that's a fact. Third place has to be between Roughead and Cloke. Roughead has kicked the goals yes but as others have said has played as a foil to Buddy all year taking his scraps. Cloke has held down the hardest position on the ground (CHF) for 2 seasons now with limited support. Output not as prolific this year due to injury but let's not forget that he won the b&f of a team who finished a kick outside last year's grand final. Best finals series player for us that year too. Definitely ahead of Griffen and Lewis.

 

[robertg22]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

He has done nothing until this year when he started to do something.......I'd have him along with Jordan Russell somewhere outside the top 30.

Doesn't mean they won't improve so keep your panties on......just means that ATM they are not in the top 20 of that draft. Both tracking fairly similarly actually.

Tambling done more than Williams, Monfries, Le Cras, Rosa, Bate and Pratt?

Please.

We rank Tambling harshly due to his position in the draft but I do think he's done more than those guys, except Pratt.
Make no mistake, he will be a good player.

 

[Bluebear]

Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

We rank Tambling harshly due to his position in the draft but I do think he's done more than those guys, except Pratt.
Make no mistake, he will be a good player.

So you are saying that right now, at Collingwood, you would take Tambling over Le Cras, Rosa and Monfries?

Right.