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Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

bender22 said:
Not counting "potential" in the equation, Lewis is easily ahead of Griffin. Look at the stats, Lewis beats him in basically every category accept goals (both under 1.0 goal per game)

Griffin is too inconsistent, showing glimpses one week but not delivering the next. I hope for the doggies sake he can contribute every week. Then maybe he'll be close to Lewey.
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Griffen has more goals per game, tackles per game and inside 50's last season with Lewis beating him in only Disposal Count and directly correlated elements such as handballs/kicks per game last season. Dont BS please.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...1=1486&tid2=11&pid2=1490&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Pity the career comparison doesn't have many elements such as inside 50's and goals contributed per game which griffen has beaten lewis in.
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

GriffIn rucks for Adelaide....

GriffEn has a ton of potential, but hasn't seem to be able to find a consitent way to tap it.

Personally I have Griffen on par with Lewis for what they've done, maybe Lewis a touch higher, but have Griff a fair bit higher on potential.

I have Knights higher than both in my re-draft, but that could be bias.
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

100action said:
Griffen has more goals per game, tackles per game and inside 50's last season with Lewis beating him in only Disposal Count and directly correlated elements such as handballs/kicks per game last season. Dont BS please.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...1=1486&tid2=11&pid2=1490&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Pity the career comparison doesn't have many elements such as inside 50's and goals contributed per game which griffen has beaten lewis in.
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I agree with other posters. Grif lacks instinctive football smarts IMO. He has the athletic potential to be elite, but until he can use it properly, he'll only be a handy midfield rotation, and in fact, if he doesnt continusously improve, I reckon Eade would be looking at moving him back to a half back flank where he would be very good.

Having said that, he has shown signs in the second half of last season of stringing good midfield perforamnces togetehr.
 

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Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

100action said:
Griffen has more goals per game, tackles per game and inside 50's last season with Lewis beating him in only Disposal Count and directly correlated elements such as handballs/kicks per game last season. Dont BS please.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...1=1486&tid2=11&pid2=1490&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Pity the career comparison doesn't have many elements such as inside 50's and goals contributed per game which griffen has beaten lewis in.
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Griffen averages .3 more inside 50's, .1 more goals and .9 more tackles per game over their career. Lewis leads him in every other stat, by greater margins too like 22 - 17 disposals, 6 - 3 marks etc. On performance so far I think Lewis is in front. Griifin certainly has more attributes to be the better footballer, and may well have the better career by the end.
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Pigdog said:
Except be in our best 3 players in 6 of our last 9 finals.

He is clearly ahead of LeCras, Knights & Cloke.
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Knights yes, LeCras maybe and Cloke no.
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

HighettBomber said:
And you know me so well! Have you ever seen him when he has a good defender on him, he was embarassing when Fletcher manned him up. Griffen is significantly better. If Buddy gets injured and he has to take the main roile in their forward line we will see how good he is.
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fletcher hasn't manned up a key forward since 2000 :confused:
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

bender22 said:
Not counting "potential" in the equation, Lewis is easily ahead of Griffin. Look at the stats, Lewis beats him in basically every category accept goals (both under 1.0 goal per game)

Griffin is too inconsistent, showing glimpses one week but not delivering the next. I hope for the doggies sake he can contribute every week. Then maybe he'll be close to Lewey.
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does this include the stat that Griffen gets more effective total yardage by foot over a season than anyone else? that my friend is called hurt factor.
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Crow-mo said:
does this include the stat that Griffen gets more effective total yardage by foot over a season than anyone else? that my friend is called hurt factor.
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Does he need to get forward of centre more often then?
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

bender22 said:
1. Franklin
2. Roughead
3. Deledio
4. Cloke
5. Le Cras
6. Lewis
7. Knights
8. Griffen
9. Tambling
10. Sherman
11. Morton
12. Van Berlo
13. Wood
14. Williams
15. Gibson
16. Monfries
17. Young
18. Prismall
19. Pratt
20. Polo
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In 2009 Bate finished top 5 in our B&F, which admittedly isn't a crowning achievement, he averaged more possessions than Monfries, more marks, and more goals - kicking 27 for the year, yet you have players like Monfries and Polo ahead of him.:eek:

Clearly young players at a bottom team are dismissed pretty easily. As the team climbs the ladder so too will their stocks.
 

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Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Trav 20 said:
In 2009 Bate finished top 5 in our B&F, which admittedly isn't a crowning achievement, he averaged more possessions than Monfries, more marks, and more goals - kicking 27 for the year, yet you have players like Monfries and Polo ahead of him.:eek:

Clearly young players at a bottom team are dismissed pretty easily. As the team climbs the ladder so too will their stocks.
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Yeah, Bate is a very good player to my mind. In an elite team, he could really be a great contributor.

I think as our midfield improves, his stocks will rise as you put it. Apparently he is looking exceedingly fit at preseason training as well, so definitely one to watch next season.
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Crow-mo said:
once again, I am forced to ask the question:

what the **** are you talking about?
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Your a complete prick of an individual.

How often does Griffen go forward and use his kicking ability to hit forward targets directly? or is he simply running the lines and delivering to Wing and HFF? So im asking if he needs to get forward of centre more to make use of his elite foot skills.
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

WALL-e said:
GriffIn rucks for Adelaide....

GriffEn has a ton of potential, but hasn't seem to be able to find a consitent way to tap it.

Personally I have Griffen on par with Lewis for what they've done, maybe Lewis a touch higher, but have Griff a fair bit higher on potential.

I have Knights higher than both in my re-draft, but that could be bias.
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Knights has really come along over the past couple of seasons. I had him pinned as an outside runner, with a long yet not overly accurate left foot, and a lack of game smarts. He is now a very damaging player, his foot skills have improved, his game sense has really developed, and he has added the goal kicking to his game which has become a real feature.

I personally have Griffen ahead, because I think he is better with his inside work, but it's pretty close. Both are very damaging when allowed the space and time to move, and can make you pay with only 20 possessions.

Griffen's work in the finals is really what seals it for me. Against St Kilda he was amazing, virtually treading water, ducking and weaving at speed through the zone and literally 5 or 6 opposition players. The higher the intensity, the better he gets.

I'm very hopeful about what he can accomplish this season.
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

EasternHills said:
Your a complete prick of an individual.

How often does Griffen go forward and use his kicking ability to hit forward targets directly? or is he simply running the lines and delivering to Wing and HFF? So im asking if he needs to get forward of centre more to make use of his elite foot skills.
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The past 2 seasons he has predominately played midfield, so yes he has been doing a lot of work forward of centre. As well as being in our top 3-5 for clearances, 1st possessions etc, he was also second for I50's, and top 5 for tackles.

He has become a well rounded player, and is starting to really influence games forward of the centre. He can still be a bit casual at times with his foot disposal, but when he gets is right he is very damaging. Narrowing the gap between his best and worst kicks will certainly make him more damaging in opposition's eyes.

On top of all that, he was more often than not the Dogs player being sat on by the oppositions best tagger. Yeah, it's fair to say I'm a big wrap!
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

WALL-e said:
I love Griffen, I just wish I could see the best of his consistantly.
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Agreed. If him and Cooney can both get it to click this year, it will really help the Dogs chances of having another crack at the big one. Very enjoyable player to watch at full flight.
 

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Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Trav 20 said:
In 2009 Bate finished top 5 in our B&F, which admittedly isn't a crowning achievement, he averaged more possessions than Monfries, more marks, and more goals - kicking 27 for the year, yet you have players like Monfries and Polo ahead of him.:eek:

Clearly young players at a bottom team are dismissed pretty easily. As the team climbs the ladder so too will their stocks.
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I rate Bate highly, (is highly underrated by most on here) definitely higher than Monfries and Polo for sure.

I couldn't sneak him into the top ten of that list, sits about 10-15 with me although based on the previous two years form, is better or at least on par with Cloke, for the role they play, lead up centre half foward.

I think that if Melbourne rise up the ladder people will realise this guy is a pretty good player
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

1. Franklin
2. Knights
3. Deledio
4. Lewis
5. Roughead
6. Griffen
7. Le Cras
8. Van Berlo
9. Cloke
10. Sherman
11. Prismall
12. Pratt
13. Williams
14. Monfries
15. Tambling
16. Gibson
17. Young
18. Morton
19. Bate
20. Wood
21. Polo
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

WALL-e said:
I love Griffen, I just wish I could see the best of his consistantly.
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This.

Griffen has real talent, but I've watched games where he has just disappeared for periods. Sometimes he still gets the possessions, they just don't have a hurt factor though.

It's not just him though, a lot of young players take their time before they are trult consistent. At least he doesn't just go missing in big matches.
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

EasternHills said:
Your a complete prick of an individual.

How often does Griffen go forward and use his kicking ability to hit forward targets directly? or is he simply running the lines and delivering to Wing and HFF? So im asking if he needs to get forward of centre more to make use of his elite foot skills.
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oh ducky, where did it all go wrong? :D

what you are really saying is he plays behind the ball, which isn't the case. he's a line breaker, arguably the leading run and carry player going.
 
Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

Crow-mo said:
oh ducky, where did it all go wrong? :D

what you are really saying is he plays behind the ball, which isn't the case. he's a line breaker, arguably the leading run and carry player going.[/quote]

No he didn't say that, he was asking a clarifying question.

The highlighted part you could of said with your first reply, but you couldn't help yourself and had to play the condescending arseh*le, and have another dig.

I actually enjoy reading your posts, when your not having a go at someone and just give your thoughts on a player, just wish you would do it more often than instead of going the man all the time.
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Re: 2004 Draft Re-Done

ROYAL EAGLE said:
No he didn't say that, he was asking a clarifying question.
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nonsense.

on what basis does he need to get forward more often, or would you raise the matter unless you think he doesn't????

and given that this bloke was 4th in the entire league in I50's its a pretty odd to be raising doubts about someone your not familiar with.

http://www.prowess.com.au/pro-stats/reports/player_category_leaders.pdf

The highlighted part you could of said with your first reply, but you couldn't help yourself and had to play the condescending arseh*le, and have another dig.
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well given the quip I was responding to, allow me to question your own myopia. fair? :eek:
 
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